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eldritchx wrote:
Calculate based on things like floor and door height

Yeah, because all doors are the same size, eh? By that argument, this dude is 3 mm scale:

   
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 Nostromodamus wrote:
At least 1/3rd* of the this “news & rumours” thread must be made up of scale arguments by now. Can we just drop it or take it elsewhere?



*1/3rd is Epic wishlisting and the final 1/3rd actual news.


Thats fair enough and I shall refrain from discussing it any further in this thread.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Sooo, just ignoring the earlier posting of a screenshot of one of the FW guys stating outright that the fluff numbers are actually taken quite seriously and thought about a lot?

It's odd how selective you are in treating what FW/GW do and say as gospel Crimson. Random puff blurb from an article: gospel. Size the models end up being made at due to various factors: gospel. Guy who actually designs the Titans: nah, pff, totes rubbish brah, who cares, fluff nonsense.

They do as said have other factors to consider when making the 40K models like sprue/mold/box sizes, whether it's vaguely practical at the size of tables most people use(though that's seemingly less of a concern for them these days), cost of materials, trying to keep it within an attractive pricerange, detailing, errors from the days of physical model construction or personal license from the 3D sculptor etc, everyone acknowledges that, but none of that changes the fact that the changes they make based on those things does often take the models away from the size they "should" be. It's not gibbering lunacy to consider scale important, or to wish they had chosen to make things consistent with the proper numbers, or to make purchasing decisions based on those sentiments, or to derive a scale from the main feature of the game that started all this - the Titans - and consider that the scale of the game.

I'm sure they consider the fluff sizes, but those are way too random, inconsistent and unreliable to base any exact calculation on. They just work fro eyeballing the super rough ballpark and 'this thing is bigger than that thing' type of stuff.

And I do consider scale to be important. If I wouldn't, I hadn't built a true scale marine army painstakingly converting every bloody model. Thank Emperor for the Primaris, so I don't need to do that any more. But if there is no super compelling reason to think otherwise, I choose to believe my own eyes. When we are shown a 32 mm Princeps standing on a balcony of a 40K scale titan, or when we see how 32mm scale pilots fit in knights and aeroplanes, then I believe what the sculptor is telling me: that this vehicle in is in that scale, instead of developing a conspiracy theory of a huge section of 40K models being 25% undersized but crewed by similarly undersized giant people. And of course AT/AI models being fourth of the size, they will be fourth of the 40K scale. 40K Imperial Knight is about 16 cm tall (not counting the missile pod) and we know how a 32 mm pilot fits inside it, so we know it is in the same scale than 32 mm normal humans. From this we can conclude that the 'real world' height of the Knight is about nine metres.

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Crossposting this from Aeronautica thread:

 schoon wrote:
From the 4pm BST Twitch Stream with Andy Hoare:
* 5 AI factions in development (including the two in the basic game)
* New AI factions should come pretty fast

* Battle of Calth - will be a new AT book
* AI and AT are 1/4 scale of Warhammer 40K - the scale is consistent - Space Marine is 8mm and normal human is 6mm



So we do have another book on the way, and if they're talking about it now then it's likely due before the end of the year. Does anyone know much Heresy fluff about Calth, and what we can expect?

Please no posts about how you're not buying either game because you've calculated a human should be 6.471mm instead of 6mm. No one cares.

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 xttz wrote:
Crossposting this from Aeronautica thread:
So we do have another book on the way, and if they're talking about it now then it's likely due before the end of the year. Does anyone know much Heresy fluff about Calth, and what we can expect?


Pretty much True Messengers (Loyalists) with bits of Legio Oberon V Firemasters (Traitor)

Loyalist Knight House is Vornherr and the traitor house I forget.

Expect weird terrain and rules for titans being bogged down or possibly Dæmonworld type effects. Beyond what we've seen, I have hopes for a ruined buildings sprue.
   
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HOPEFULLY it also encompasses the greater Shadow Crusade, thereby paving the way for the greatest Legio (Audax) to make an appearance with Ursus Claws locked and loaded. And hopefully that means we get the Rapier Titan kit as part of that release, since (IIRC) a team member clarified that Audax is limited to *scout* Titans, not to Warhound Titans specifically. That clarification makes it seem like something is afoot.

But that's a lot of hopes. I think at least the first part makes sense, though. My guess was that the next book would be in Q1. If it's sooner, that's certainly cool.

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Quick question - how many Knights are controlled by each terminal?

Need to know if I need to buy a few more terminals, or if what I've got already will suffice.

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 Alpharius wrote:
Quick question - how many Knights are controlled by each terminal?

3-6 Questoris , 2-4 Cerastus & 1-4 Acastus.

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Questoris & Cerastus are in the PDF Terminals, and you can make out the Acastus here -

Spoiler:
   
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Don’t suppose there has been any mention of a Metalica/Raven transfer sheet at all?


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Hurray for Battle of Calth. No idea what it will bring to the game - character/hero titans and knights? Audax? Rapiers? Hopefully with the psychic 40K stuff on the horizon they might cover that too.

Got a feeling we could see a minor Errata/FAQ to at least address the cheap point cost for the Acastus. Could be other issues that need resolving, but none that I can think of as of yet.

White Dwarf is once again disappointing. Didn't expect anything last month, but I was hoping the Crusade leigon article was a sign of improved support for the game. Hopefully something next month...

It would be a kick in the nuts not to have the Q's weapon sprue on sunday's Coming Soon article...

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Anyone else going to add the aeronautica turrets and bunkers to titanicus for more variety? The manticore battery subs for an apoc missile easily, and the hydra turrets are amusingly the asset from the defense batteries from the war bringer titan, so we may see that a bit sooner than expected 8f part of it is already scaled down.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Anyone else going to add the aeronautica turrets and bunkers to titanicus for more variety? The manticore battery subs for an apoc missile easily, and the hydra turrets are amusingly the asset from the defense batteries from the war bringer titan, so we may see that a bit sooner than expected 8f part of it is already scaled down.

Yes. They're great for objectives or narrative goals of nothing else.

...and you can even use them for AI
   
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 schoon wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Anyone else going to add the aeronautica turrets and bunkers to titanicus for more variety? The manticore battery subs for an apoc missile easily, and the hydra turrets are amusingly the asset from the defense batteries from the war bringer titan, so we may see that a bit sooner than expected 8f part of it is already scaled down.

Yes. They're great for objectives or narrative goals of nothing else.

...and you can even use them for AI


They told me that about the planes too but I still dont believe them.
   
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Incoming book on Calth ? I'm really excited.
Hoping to see Legio Praesagius & Suturvora transfers alongside it. I've held advancing on the paint of my AT stuff because I was hoping for this...
   
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Vulcan mega bolters up for preorder for reaver.

Typically days after making order to FW...Ah well. Next month local player is putting order so I'll put 4-5 in then.

Now about those warlord gatling carapace weapons...

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tneva82 wrote:
Now about those warlord gatling carapace weapons...


I think they're drip feeding these out to keep on top of demand. Couple of months for those I reckon...
   
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Here's hoping bit faster than that. Been dying to get my hands on those since the day I got grand master edition. Been my #1 weapon I have been waiting for!

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Well, thats good news. If local GW stores would order them in then I'd treat my Reaver, but thats £11 + p&p...probably £3.50 on top of that. Enough for a plastic weapon sprue or a substantial contribution to a new Reaver set...

But not to be a negative-neville, I'm thinking of using left over avenger cannons from a set of Thunderbolts, and some plasticard...omg, I've got spare pieces for an apocalypse missile launcher on my desk!

...I just love it when a plan comes together!


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 zedmeister wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Now about those warlord gatling carapace weapons...


I think they're drip feeding these out to keep on top of demand. Couple of months for those I reckon...


Yeah, I think they're going to stretch out these weapons, accessories, small terrain bits out for a while. Then the next campaign book early in 2020 and a bigger batch of releases around that.

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 zedmeister wrote:
I think they're drip feeding these out to keep on top of demand. Couple of months for those I reckon...

Yes, I suspect that much of the AT team is also part of the AI team, and will be busy churning out the first supplement for that until Dec-ish.
   
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 Irbis wrote:
eldritchx wrote:
Calculate based on things like floor and door height

Yeah, because all doors are the same size, eh? By that argument, this dude is 3 mm scale:



Don't be obtuse. Doors can be larger, sure, but even you must agree that they can't be smaller than a human's average height. Unfortunately for your argument, that's exactly what happens if you try to peg scale at 8mm.
   
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Depends what society you're modelling,

doors shorter than the height of an average person were fairly common in primitive socieites, as the give the folk inside an advantage over any intruder trying to get in,

it's certainly plausible that some societies in the Warhammer universe operate in similar fashion (or just make the lower classes bow as the come in to buildings 'owned' by their betters even if it is a factory they normally work in

 
   
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eldritchx wrote:

Don't be obtuse. Doors can be larger, sure, but even you must agree that they can't be smaller than a human's average height. Unfortunately for your argument, that's exactly what happens if you try to peg scale at 8mm.

Not true.

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Why people even try to arque? What is gained by claiming it's 8mm? (which is easy to disprove. Scale isn't arbitary number. It's calculated. We know size of titans. Just measure titan and see what the scale is). Less terrain options as 6mm is far more popular scale than 8mm anyway. If you decide to change scale to 8mm you need to up size of titans, terrain etc by 33%. For what benefit?

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tneva82 wrote:
Why people even try to arque? What is gained by claiming it's 8mm? (which is easy to disprove. Scale isn't arbitary number. It's calculated. We know size of titans. Just measure titan and see what the scale is). Less terrain options as 6mm is far more popular scale than 8mm anyway. If you decide to change scale to 8mm you need to up size of titans, terrain etc by 33%. For what benefit?

I guess we're doing this again. We're know the models are one fourth of their 40K height. In 40K normal humans are around 32mm tall 32/4=8. If they ever make infantry in this scale, it will be about 8mm tall. Ergo, AT is in 8mm scale.


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Getting pretty fething tired of seeing this NEWS AND RUMOURS thread being updated only to find yet another bloody scale argument.

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