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Swift Swooping Hawk





Omaha, NE

The human sphere book is cool. Ive got Yu-jing. I noticed that zhanshi are not on either sectoral list.
Can i play a generic list with lots of zhanshi in a group and drop in a celestial guard fireteam in another?
It looks like i can. Help me out guys!!
Ive only got about 5 games under my belt and our group is doing the ITS season 8. We are on week two and fireteams are allowed. So i need to get a good 150 pt list.

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Gathering the Informations.

Not really? This isn't like 40k with multiple detachments.
   
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Omaha, NE

Im not talking multiple detachments. But thanks for the enlightening response...ending a statement with a qusetion mark and obvoius sarcasm.
Im saying can a fireteam be included in a generic list or do i have to play a straight sectoral list.
Page two talks about players including sectoral units in generic lists, but those lists cant use troopers that arent included in the generic lists and the availability is different.
So, could my list include zhanshi in one group and then also have a fireteam of celestial guard in another group?

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 FarseerAndyMan wrote:

Im saying can a fireteam be included in a generic list or do i have to play a straight sectoral list.

The closest thing you'll get to running a fireteam in vanilla Yu Jing is taking an EVO repeater and using the Teampro program to have a fireteam Duo. But that won't let you take linked zhanshis anyway so doesn't really help with you were wanting to do.



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The easiest way to see what you can and cannot do is to get onto the Army Builder.

Pick the army that you're going for and every Troop Profile that you bring up will show a list of any skills that they have - these skills can vary depending on whether you went for the Vanilla list or the Sectorial.

The main example that's relevant to your original post, if you start an Imperial Service list in Army, the Celestial Guard will have Fireteam: Core listed under their profile (along with the special rule of being able to include Crane Agents in the Fireteam).

If you create a Yu Jing list, select Celestial Guard, you won't find any mention of Fireteam: Core, so no teams for them in Vanilla.
   
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Newcastle, OZ

Fireteam: Duo is the only one allowed in vanilla armies (unless you are tohaa) and even then, that's provided you have an evo hacker running TEAMPRO.

Fireteams are for the most part, a sectorial thing. So while you can take Zhanshi and Celestial guard in Vanilla, you can't make fireteams of either.

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Beyond the Beltway

The army builder is here --> https://army.infinitythegame.com/
Click the options setting on the right and then the triangle next to printing to hide those options. An option to download the Army builder should appear. You can use the army builder on-line, or the downloadable version off-line. It's all free and so very useful.

Currently Zhanshi cannot be linked in either sectorial. However, there are rumors ( and have been for several years) of new Yu Jing sectorials in the next book (which has also been rumored for years. ) I think it is to be called the Invincible Army sectorial.

If you have Zhanshi, but no Celestial Guard, just use the Zhanshi as proxies. The minis are very close in design ( helmets v no helmets basically) and the TO should allow it.

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 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Im not talking multiple detachments. But thanks for the enlightening response...ending a statement with a qusetion mark and obvoius sarcasm.
Im saying can a fireteam be included in a generic list or do i have to play a straight sectoral list.
Page two talks about players including sectoral units in generic lists, but those lists cant use troopers that arent included in the generic lists and the availability is different.
So, could my list include zhanshi in one group and then also have a fireteam of celestial guard in another group?

Yeah, there wasn't any sarcasm. As was mentioned, there just isn't any mechanic to let you do this in Infinity.
   
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 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
The human sphere book is cool. Ive got Yu-jing. I noticed that zhanshi are not on either sectoral list.
Can i play a generic list with lots of zhanshi in a group and drop in a celestial guard fireteam in another?
It looks like i can. Help me out guys!!
Ive only got about 5 games under my belt and our group is doing the ITS season 8. We are on week two and fireteams are allowed. So i need to get a good 150 pt list.


Not a thing I'm afraid.

What characterizes a generic list is that it, in general, cannot take any form of link team. Vanilla's strength is in having a run of the army list it is part of. So while the Imperial Service can run a 5-man Celestial Guard link, it can't take TIger Soldiers, or the Daofei and lacks a lot of things generic Yu Jing lists will be able to include with ease.

Further, sectorials have their own avaiabilities for units. So while a generic list can take as many Zhanshi as they can get, they have space for only two Celestial Guard (thus no horde of CG in a vanilla list).

Basically the way an army list is selected is you choose your faction and can optionally choose to limit yourself to a sectorial within that faction in order to gain access to link teams. If you do not choose a sectorial, you create a generic list but cannot take link teams (the one exception being the Duo link using the Teampro hacker program from an EVO Hacking Device).

So unfortunately you wont be able to drop a Celestial Guard fire team in to a vanilla Yu Jing list alongside a horde of Zhanshi. But Celestial Guard (especially the one with the Kuang Shi Control Device) are excellent support units in vanilla Yu Jing albeit quite limited in the number you can take (they also have a great hacker as well).

Meanwhile, if you take either currently available Sectorial, then you are limited to what is on there list and nothing more. Imperial Service can't take Zhanshi, Guilang, or anything else not on the list just as the JSA can't take Hsien or Crane Agents. The generic AVA's are to be used only for the vanilla list allowances while the Sectorial AVA lists are the length and breadth of the units a Sectorial can take.

Zhanshi will be linkable down the line whenever the White Banner sectorial drops (which is either the next one or the one after, and could be a year or more from now). As Zhanshi are Troops of the Banner it is assumed they will be the main line trooper for Huang Di (the area Yu Jing controls on Svalarheima) army (called the White Banner Army from what we have gleaned from Corvus Belli teasers).

They may also be a thing in the Invincible Army, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one (and even if they are then they may not be linkable as the Invincible Army is the modern force meant to replace Yu Jing's Banner armies in the background).
   
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Omaha, NE

Thanks for the feedback guys.
The army builder really is the trick. After i clicked on the units, and compared, the sectoral stuff appeared in the box right underneath the stat line.
Thanks again for your help :-)

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