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Greetings

A friend of mine and I are starting 30k for the first time. We plan on playing mostly against each other, but our armies are supposede to be able to hold their own against others aswell.

We are not playing to win at all costs, but having good games with the goal of branching into more narrative driven games.

My friend is starting Sons of Horus and I am starting the Night Lords

We have looked around the web at a lot of lists now, and my innitial question is ths:




Do you have to play Night Lords as all out melee army? I would prefere something a bit more balanced with tacticals with bolters aswell, while still keeping the Night Lords feel.

If you just use the generic unit choices and not the faction specific ones, you can build them any way you want. and the flavor with whatever nightlordyness you want.

Thanks to Calth and Prospero box sets, a lot of 40K refugees are making their way into 30K trying to spam units, wargear, create Death Stars, and make "Optimized Lists". For the Night Lords, that usually takes the form of a close combat focused army. Don't buy into that, and just play what you want.

If you want mass Legion Tactical Squads with Bolters, go for it.

I play Night Lords at 1000 and 2000. Both lists are mixed with shooter heavy units.

I mix and match:

Volkite Charger Terror Squads (with the extra weapon) are all around amazing troops for the Terror Assault Rite. Even though you have to take 3 troops, they are brutal.

Vokite's are Assault 2 with deflagrate, a fantastic shooting attack. 10 of them in a drop pod or with Infiltrate and you are blitzing your first round of shooting.

point here TAKE VOLKITES

For my terminators, I keep a more melee side of things because I run them with Sevatar (this is the killer melee unit). So are the Raptors.

I think you can easily do both. If anything Night Lords are fantastic at anti-infantry, where they fall short is in anti-armor. That is when you go to the tanks and flyers to help you out.

Also, my 2 contemptors are always run with a plasma cannon and claw; the mortis is run with 2 Kheres. One is the terminator killer, the other is the shooter/skyfire dread. Having both on the board at 2k works really well.

hope this helps.

People put emphasis on their CC units because their LA rules give them a bonus in CC, but that doesn't mean you're losing anything by taking shooting units.

Basically anything works, legions were massive and largely balanced forces. They had so many units at their disposal that even a preference for a certain type of fighting/equipment would be the exception rather than the rule. It's not un-fluffy to run things like heavy support squads in World Eaters army for example, and NL were really not as focused on any one style of combat as the WE were.

What they did have was a predilection for is terror tactics and rapid assault, which means any LD modifying gear/abilities are great (trophies of judgment for example), and taking some fast units that can disrupt gunlines would be fluffy and tactically sound.

That being said, you can make an infantry heavy, foot-slogging gun-line list and write in reasons that justify it and include unique units/wargear that make it feel like a NL army.

My local player uses Volkite Terror squads and they are brutal. Supported by a plasma predator (which is really lethal despite the reputation of its weapon) they are rather shooty indeed.

Thanks for all the answers

And I am very pleased it's like this, Having read the first of the horus heresy books It was also my impression that the legions did have different tendencies but all had rank in file bolter marines all had tanks and the like.

I can see how Betrayal at Calth has opened the flood gates. Luckily some of the people starting now are trying to get away from the 40k ''meta'' and that whole power/flavour of the month vibe.

So thanks a lot, My friend and I will will write up two lists at 2000 points and post them later today, we would be very appciative for any feedback - So we start building evenly matched armies.