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Fixture of Dakka







Well... I was doing some tidying today and, naturally, instead of tidying, I decided to make an even larger mess.

Specifically, I decided to hunt out my old Lord of the Rings models, which are ranging from 10 to 15 years old. The last time I had these out was attempting to make a list for that 'flash in the pan' War of the Rings game. Turns out, I needed about a billion more models for that...

So, it was with some trepidation that, after having backed KoW2 kickstarter that I finally decided, "lets see what I can do..." So... here we are, some embarrassing old paint-jobs and, well, overall general cringeworthy embarrassment... At least it's not my bright blue Riders of Rohan. In any case, I think I actually managed to make up something playable. Yeah, sure, it breaks pretty much all the model numbers rules but, quite frankly, it's either this, or I pretty much never, ever, play Kings of War.





So, not having any of the expansion books, I decided to make do with the Kingdoms of Men list. I managed to sort it out to 2500 points, but that's without magic items or the like and pretty much going, "ok, that'll do." But I imagine that, with Dakka's help, I could make out some playable stuff from what I've got there. - I'm guessing the typical game is 2000 points?

General on Horseback (Aragorn)
Danor The Wizard (Gandalf)
Rordin The Dwarf (Gimli)
Madriga The Elf (Legolas)

Pike Block Regiment (Citadel Guard / Guard of the Fountain Court)

Shield Wall Regiment (Minas Tirith Swords)
Shield Wall Regiment (Minas Tirith Swords)
Shield Wall Troop (Minas Tirith Swords)

Archer Regiment (Minas Tirith Archers)
Archer Troop (Minas Tirith Archers)
Archer Troop (Minas Tirith Archers)
Archer Regiment (Dunedain Rangers)
Archer Troop (Gondor Rangers)

Militia Regiment (2nd Age Men of Gondor)
Militia Troop (2nd Age Men of Gondor)

Berserker Horde (The Army of the Dead)

Spear Phalanx Horde (Minas Tirith Spearmen)
Spear Phalanx Troop (Minas Tirith Spearmen)

Knights Regiment (Knights of Minas Tirith)
Knights Regiment (Knights of Minas Tirith)
Knights Regiment (Knights of Minas Tirith)

If anyone has got any better ideas or suggestions, I'm all ears, but I suppose abstracting it out, it kind of all fits. I feel bad about the cavalry, but that's what their bases are and the movement trays seem to be pretty much the right size, so yeah, it goes back to 'either that, or not at all'.

I suppose what can be done is the Citadel Guard regiment could be Heavy Pike Phalanx, and maybe the Army of the Dead go for Foot Guard? I think making the rangers a different weapon type would be going a bit too far though...

If I'm brave enough to let them see the light of day, I guess my Rohan models could be Mounted Sergeants, Mounted Scouts and more foot militia if I ever wanted to play in larger games.

Anyhows, there we go... I'm happy to hear any thoughts
   
Made in gb
Fresh-Faced New User






Welcome to KOW! It's a great game, hope you can get a few games in soon!

Army all looks good to me - the only unit stretching model count a bit are the cav, but as you say, the base size can be a bit of a pain. Wouldn't bother me at all to play against.

2000pts is probably average, so you've got a bit of choice about what you field at any given time.

In terms of your list, looks nice and balanced, only a few things I'd mention:
First, you haven't got much inspiring - maybe a few standard bearers? It becomes very important in this game, particularly for kom with their 'very inspiring' special rule.
Second, I think you're likely to struggle against particularly mobile opponents, especially flyers - it's sometimes good to have a mounted combat hero or two behind your main line to ward off any flyer that decides to drop behind your spears & shield walls to get juicy flank & rear charges.

   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







I've got Boromir, Halbarad and the Minas Tirith knight that could be standard bearers.

I could probably grab mounted Faramir out of my cavalry unit to be a mounted hero. I've got a Gandalf the White on Shadowfax too. Then I guess I could use Radagast and Saruman as generic wizards.

If I were wanting to have any more mounted heroes than that, I'd be having to dip into my bright blue Rohirrim...
   
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver






Welcome! As Wafflecakes says, Inspiring is important in this game, all the more so since the KoM special rule is Inspiring becomes Very Inspiring.

Citadel Guard regiment could be a Heavy Pike Block
The one time I've played KoM I took a Heavy Pike Horde as an anvil with the Chant of Hate magic item (gives the Vicious special rule). Since the unit has Elite inherently, it re-rolled "1s" on both to hit and to damage. To make sure they stay around, you can give a Standard Bearer the 30pt Healing Charm (Heal 3) and keep him near the Pikes.

Mounted Scouts do have their place, both as a screen for more valuable units and from a mobility standpoint, so you could just bite the bullet and field them as they are, or strip them and repaint them.

For alternate KoM army lists I suggested both Uncharted Empires and KoW Historical in this reply: Brand new to kings of war

Kings of War: Abyssal Dwarves, Dwarves, Elves, Undead, Northern Alliance [WiP], Nightstalkers [WiP]
Dropzone Commander: PHR
Kill Team: Deathwatch AdMech Necron

 
   
Made in us
Omnipotent Lord of Change





Albany, NY

I feel like KoM is still the best list for this collection?

That said, welcome to KoW, and sweet gathering of LotR dudes! As noted 2000 points is probably the thing to shoot for. I'm tempted to try my hand at a list, but I know so very little about KoM ... which means I'll probably tinker anyway

- Salvage

KOW BATREPS: BLOODFIRE
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Longtime Dakkanaut




North Carolina

I think it's great that you're going to try out KoW. Your army and list look good. I would echo the suggestion that you try to include more mounted heroes for inspiring and to combat flying heroes/units that will try to swoop in behind your front line.

In regards to your concern about model count, all of your infantry units meet the minimum model count and while your cavalry are a 2 models short for regiments I personally think they're fine since you've got the right unit footprint and type they're clearly WYSIWYG and that's what's important.

http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/File/KINGS%20OF%20WAR/KoW%20FAQ%20and%20Errata%20290915.pdf

Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur
 
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




If you are based in the UK you can check out warbases and have them make you made to order laser cut MDF bases for very little money.

I managed to get 6 lotr kav on a regiment base that way.

Basically you get a base which has three touching circles per row.

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Made in se
Longtime Dakkanaut






Yup. 3x2 40mm circular bases can fit into a cavalry regiment sized base. It'll look much better than 2x2 in the LotR trays as the latter have so much empty space in between the models.

Around £2 for a regiment tray with 6 holes, depending on what thickness you want.
http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_166&product_id=1070

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Grumpy Longbeard





Canada

Welcome! KoW plays better than it looks on paper, glad you're giving it a go.
Getting some more cavalry on a base would be good, but I wouldn't mind what you have. As long as the footprint is right and the models look like something that has their stat line. The FAQ says proxy models just need to fill up the space available, so need not have the right number. Not sure yours count as proxies tbough. Just clear with a TO if you want to play an event.

I always say at least one source of inspiring per 500 points. You can literally use any model with a flag as a standard bearer, individuals are separate from units so can always be told apart.
Put the inspiring talisman item on a wizard for a cheap extra inspiring (20 points plus taking the wizard anyway).
Your rangers will be handy if you start using items on your archers, because they look different.

Start with a smaller game, just once; to get the hang of it.

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Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







Thanks everyone, with the things I've got sorted out with that, I've now hunted out my baddies, essentially just going by orcish types, I've got 3500 points worth.

Oddly enough, it again seemed that "Kingdom of Men" seemed to be the best choice.




Foot Guard Regiment (Uruk Hai Swords)
Foot Guard Horde - Brew of Courage (Uruk Hai Swords)
Heavy Pike Horde (Uruk Hai... Pikes)
Berserker Troop (Uruk Hai... Berserkers)

Shield Wall Regiment (Mordor Orc Shields)
Spear Phalanx Horde (Mordor Orc Spears)
Pole Arms Troop (Mordor Orc Two Handers)

Militia Mob Troop (Moria Goblins)
Militia Mob Troop (Moria Goblins)
Militia Mob Troop (Moria Goblins)

Bowmen Regiment (Various Archers)
Bowmen Regiment (Various Archers)

Mounted Scouts Troop (Warg Rider Archers)
Mounted Scouts Troop (warg Rider Archers)

Mounted Sergeants Regiment - Potion of the Caterpillar (Warg Rider Cavalry)
Mounted Sergeants Regiment (Warg Rider Cavalry)
Mounted Sergeants Regiment (Warg Rider Cavalry)

Siege Artillery (Uruk Hai Siege Ballista)
Beast of War (Troll)
Beast of War (Troll)

Hero - Horse, Inspiring Talisman (Khamul, Ringwraith)
Hero - Horse, Blade of Slashing (Generic Ringwraith)
Army Standard Bearer (Uruk Hai, going to buy more standards)

The Captain - horse (Gothmog)
Danor The Wizard (Saruman The White)
General - Horse, War Bow of Kaba (Mouth of Sauron)
General on Winged Beast - Ensorcelled Armour (The Witch King on Fellbeast)


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But that's not all... I've done my first GW purchases in 4 years, having added 2 Mordor Siege Bows (Ballista), 4 Uruk Hai Berserkers (Giving me a 'regiment' instead of a troop), an Isenguard Commanders set for a couple of extra banners. As well as 2 more Gondor Citadel Guard sets and some Gondor Commanders / Banners. Plus I've got some ebayed uruk hai coming in the mail too.
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







Taking on some various advice I've had, I've now remade a 2000 point list of the Uruk Hai, incorporating some of the extra purchases.




Heavy Pike Horde - Brew of Strength (Uruk Hai Pikemen)
Foot Guard Horde - Brew of Courage (Uruk Hai Swords)
Foot Guard Regiment (Uruk Hai Swords)
Foot Guard Regiment (Uruk Hai Scouts with Swords - They may get potion of haste one day....)
Berserkers Regiment (Uruk Hai... Berserkers)
Militia Troop (Goblins)
Militia Troop (Goblins)
Militia Troop (Goblins)
Mounted Scouts Troop (Warg Rider, Bows)
Mountede Sergeants Regiment - Caterpillar (Warg Riders, Spears)
Siege Artillery (Uruk Hai Siege Ballista)
Ballista (Orc Ballista)
Ballista (Orc Ballista)
Army Standard Bearer (Uruk Hai Standard Bearer)
Wizard - Inspiring Talisman, Bane Chant (Uruk Hai Shaman)
Hero - Sword/Mace of Crushing/Slashing on Horse (Sharku on Warg. - Which am I better with, mace or sword?)
General - War Bow of Kaba (Lurtz)
Danor the Wizard (Saruman The White)

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Now to make some of that Warbases order for the cavalry. - Should I buy the extra 3mm top layer, or are the "125mm x 50mm (Circular only) - KoW Trays, 40mm slots good enough?
   
Made in se
Longtime Dakkanaut






Looking good.

You might want to consider cutting out some thin plasticard bases to put those circularly based characters on. It normally don't matter much since individuals get free pivots at the beginning of their orders, but in tricky charge situations it may be important how they face.

The extra layer is if you want the unitbase to be level with the inserted bases. The regular is just 2mm thick I believe, making GW round bases stick up slightly from the tray.

This is how some of my GW 20mm square and 3mm thick, based models look in a Warbases-tray without the extra thickness of the top layer.

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Snord





Love the Lottr models, the plastic can be had dirt cheap and with conversion bases they can be used for both games. My goblin army is made up mainly from Hobbit goblins using lotr trolls as giants, 2 gandalf models as wizards and gothmog as the general (his mutant head suits the hobbit models too.

 Zywus wrote:

The extra layer is if you want the unitbase to be level with the inserted bases. The regular is just 2mm thick I believe, making GW round bases stick up slightly from the tray.


Interesting, I had warbases do my trays as a custom job and they put the 3mm on top so they sit flush so that is an option.

   
Made in se
Longtime Dakkanaut






I suspect the 2mm is standard because of all the historical models.

Usually they come with a small integral base about 1mm thick, and then placed on 1mm thick plastic bases or coins, making those bases 2mm thick in total, rather than the 3mm of GW or mantic bases.

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Made in se
Dakka Veteran






Spoiler:
 MangoMadness wrote:
Love the Lottr models, the plastic can be had dirt cheap and with conversion bases they can be used for both games. My goblin army is made up mainly from Hobbit goblins using lotr trolls as giants, 2 gandalf models as wizards and gothmog as the general (his mutant head suits the hobbit models too.

 Zywus wrote:

The extra layer is if you want the unitbase to be level with the inserted bases. The regular is just 2mm thick I believe, making GW round bases stick up slightly from the tray.


Interesting, I had warbases do my trays as a custom job and they put the 3mm on top so they sit flush so that is an option.



Looking good, how did you structure the bases? I have been considering making a similar custom order to warbases.
   
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Snord





 ulgurstasta wrote:

Looking good, how did you structure the bases? I have been considering making a similar custom order to warbases.


The bases are 5mm oversize on each side to fit the 25mm bases with a border. Some might be bothered by that but its a similar width of a movement tray and is fine by the basing rules.

I asked Warbases to construct them in a 4,4,3 pattern. I wanted it like that so the unit looks more like a blob or rabble (which they are) rather than a discliplined unit which you would get at 4,4,4. 11 models is also the minimum for a regiment and the horde base is 8,8,7 for 23 models. If I want the unit to look more orderly I simply turn them around and have the rank of 3 at the back so they are quite versatile.

Having that short rank means that there is a little bit of variation in the holes forward to back and side to side which further adds to the rabble feel. I asked warbases to do 8 ragiment bases for me and I asked them to flip the top layer on 4 of them for variation between units.

Another thing i got Warbases to do is a 40mm round to 50mm square conversion base so i can use the trolls as Giants.

Oh I also asked them to do some troop bases but with 25mm bases they can only hold 5 models

Here is a pic of some of the bases, I was measuring how many would fit on a tray but you can see the variation in the bottom left regiment tray compared to the others
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Mango_wan/For%20Sale/20161012_151535.jpg
I also found my original concept pic I sent to warbases to describe what i was after
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Mango_wan/baseconcept.jpg
   
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Dakka Veteran






Spoiler:
 MangoMadness wrote:
 ulgurstasta wrote:

Looking good, how did you structure the bases? I have been considering making a similar custom order to warbases.


The bases are 5mm oversize on each side to fit the 25mm bases with a border. Some might be bothered by that but its a similar width of a movement tray and is fine by the basing rules.

I asked Warbases to construct them in a 4,4,3 pattern. I wanted it like that so the unit looks more like a blob or rabble (which they are) rather than a discliplined unit which you would get at 4,4,4. 11 models is also the minimum for a regiment and the horde base is 8,8,7 for 23 models. If I want the unit to look more orderly I simply turn them around and have the rank of 3 at the back so they are quite versatile.

Having that short rank means that there is a little bit of variation in the holes forward to back and side to side which further adds to the rabble feel. I asked warbases to do 8 ragiment bases for me and I asked them to flip the top layer on 4 of them for variation between units.

Another thing i got Warbases to do is a 40mm round to 50mm square conversion base so i can use the trolls as Giants.

Oh I also asked them to do some troop bases but with 25mm bases they can only hold 5 models

Here is a pic of some of the bases, I was measuring how many would fit on a tray but you can see the variation in the bottom left regiment tray compared to the others
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Mango_wan/For%20Sale/20161012_151535.jpg
I also found my original concept pic I sent to warbases to describe what i was after
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Mango_wan/baseconcept.jpg


Nice, could you PM me the specifics of the order?(The measurements and such) Gonna save me some hassle when I make my order
   
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Snord





Have you seen these on their website? They have them as a standard order due to demand

http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_166&product_id=1069

You can select 3mm top layer, round bases or square and size

EDIT - Actually they dont have the option of having 25mm round bases in the footprint of the 20mm unit sizes.

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Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka







I've bought a couple of the 20mm round bases ones to check them out - I figure worse case scenario, I'll base them on the tray upside down.

I'm wondering whether they were just mislabelled, for example.


EDIT: They turned up, turns out, they weren't mislabelled. So, drat. Good thing I only bought 3 of the troop bases though, and that was because I didn't have any of the suitable troop size anyway.

The cavalry bases are perfect though (40mm circular with the top layer).

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