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Netflix is curb stomping The CW in every possible way.

Also, is it me or do these Netflix super hero series feel more like New York than just about any other television series set in New York?

A billionaire Buddhist monk? Seriously?

Watched the preview, wow that looks some stupid. Its lack a bad fan version of Batman.

Watch Dr. Horrible instead.

He's not a Buddhist monk he is part of a ancient Chinese secret organization and learned to fight and use powers from them. Totally different obliviously.

One always needs a good white guy to take the lead and show Asians how it is done. Plus we get to see a Caucasian doing kung fu on TV, and how often does that happen?

 Ahtman wrote:
He's not a Buddhist monk he is part of a ancient Chinese secret organization and learned to fight and use powers from them. Totally different obliviously.

One always needs a good white guy to take the lead and show Asians how it is done. Plus we get to see a Caucasian doing kung fu on TV, and how often does that happen?

So you'd prefer they change the character to be Asian, thus switching from the White Saviour trope to the All Asians Know Kung Fu one instead? Let's be real here, there was no version of this show Marvel could do that wouldn't be problematic in some way, but they can't just pretend Iron Fist doesn't exist if they're going to do The Defenders and so they might as well continue to stick with the material from the comics. Frankly I doubt the character will be a big deal going forward - once all the Hand stuff is out of the way they'll probably roll Luke Cage & Iron Fist together as Heroes for Hire, which in practice would just be "Luke Cage and some guy who makes cameos and does some fight scenes".

That said, I'm nowhere near as excited for this as I have been for the previous and other upcoming Netflix Marvel shows, but given the quality of the others so far even when dealing with pretty heavy subject matter, I think Iron Fist deserves some benefit of the doubt no?

I have a better idea. Don't waste money on stupid infantile gak like this.

Damn, Fraz, who peed in your Cheerios? Of all the characters that could be divisive, I wouldn't have thought it would be this one.

First, almost all the older Marvel characters are silly tropes of some sort. How many are excessively rich, smart, good looking, or all three? Most of them. Second, Iron Fist came at a time when Kung Fu movies were all the rage in America. He was white because the Marvel writers and artists were white and they wrote/drew what they knew. Mostly. Power Man, Black Panther, and the Falcon came out of the whole Blaxploitation period so that's why they're the way they are. Finally, most comic book writing in the 60s and 70s wouldn't even reach the level of bad fan fic because most fan fic at least pretends to be literature. The comics didn't even do that much.

Iron Fist has money but unlike Batman isn't a genius nor does he use his money to fund his crime fighting with gadgets, computers, or arsenals. He's just a normal guy... who happens to have a dragon bonded to him.

And he isn't Buddist. The fact that he's beating everyone and everything up should attest to that.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
He's not a Buddhist monk he is part of a ancient Chinese secret organization and learned to fight and use powers from them. Totally different obliviously.

One always needs a good white guy to take the lead and show Asians how it is done. Plus we get to see a Caucasian doing kung fu on TV, and how often does that happen?

So you'd prefer they change the character to be Asian, thus switching from the White Saviour trope to the All Asians Know Kung Fu one instead? Let's be real here, there was no version of this show Marvel could do that wouldn't be problematic in some way, but they can't just pretend Iron Fist doesn't exist if they're going to do The Defenders and so they might as well continue to stick with the material from the comics. Frankly I doubt the character will be a big deal going forward - once all the Hand stuff is out of the way they'll probably roll Luke Cage & Iron Fist together as Heroes for Hire, which in practice would just be "Luke Cage and some guy who makes cameos and does some fight scenes".

That said, I'm nowhere near as excited for this as I have been for the previous and other upcoming Netflix Marvel shows, but given the quality of the others so far even when dealing with pretty heavy subject matter, I think Iron Fist deserves some benefit of the doubt no?

I don't disagree with any of that, but it also won't keep me from having fun with it. I'm also willing to bet that show will also make sort of meta-commentary about it as well. It is a bit like The Ancient One in Dr. Strange where no matter what was done there would be complaints.

I thought it was clear I wasn't being that serious, which was my mistake.


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 Breotan wrote:
And he isn't Buddist. The fact that he's beating everyone and everything up should attest to that.

Well Buddhist doesn't mean pacifist: Shaolin Monks fought, Samurai used Buddhism as well (later but still), and the Empire of Japan used Buddhism to inspire their soldiers during WWII. It is like Patrick Swayze in Road House!

 Ahtman wrote:
It is like Patrick Swayze in Road House!

*Sigh*

Every time someone says Road House, a bouncer gets an erection and beats up a patron.

I didn't need that post, not at all...


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 Breotan wrote:
Damn, Fraz, who peed in your Cheerios? Of all the characters that could be divisive, I wouldn't have thought it would be this one.

First, almost all the older Marvel characters are silly tropes of some sort. How many are excessively rich, smart, good looking, or all three? Most of them. Second, Iron Fist came at a time when Kung Fu movies were all the rage in America. He was white because the Marvel writers and artists were white and they wrote/drew what they knew. Mostly. Power Man, Black Panther, and the Falcon came out of the whole Blaxploitation period so that's why they're the way they are. Finally, most comic book writing in the 60s and 70s wouldn't even reach the level of bad fan fic because most fan fic at least pretends to be literature. The comics didn't even do that much.

Iron Fist has money but unlike Batman isn't a genius nor does he use his money to fund his crime fighting with gadgets, computers, or arsenals. He's just a normal guy... who happens to have a dragon bonded to him.

And he isn't Buddist. The fact that he's beating everyone and everything up should attest to that.

Yea, for some reason this one just rubs me the wrong way, like an uncool rip on Hong Kong chopsaki classics.

Looks to be better than what I've seen of Luke Cage. Of course, that isn't a high standard. But I like Iron Fist. Doubt it'll top JJ or DD though.

I'll watch it. But I'm honesly waiting for the Punisher show most of all.

I liked Rand's cameo in Jessica Jones.

 Frazzled wrote:
like an uncool rip on Hong Kong chopsaki classics.

That is how it got started, just as Luke Cage was an attempt at making a comic book character based on blaxploitation films.

As for whether it is "cool" or "uncool":

I'm really surprised they didn't at least give him an accent- if you were raised in isolation for ten years, it ought to have altered your speech patterns considerably.

That being said, I am looking forward to some awesome kung fu action. Although I really hope this doesn't end up like season 2 of Daredevil. Superhero vs hordes of thugs with one or two awesome bosses is fun to watch, like season 1. Superhero vs hordes of superninjas that don't breathe and have no heartbeats gets really tiresome.

 Frazzled wrote:
I have a better idea. Don't waste money on stupid infantile gak like this.

What's "infantile" about it? You don't know anything about it.

Here's an idea Fraz: Watch the show, don't prejudge the show. You don't know anything about Iron Fist, so maybe learn a little about it.

 Ahtman wrote:
He's not a Buddhist monk he is part of a ancient Chinese secret organization and learned to fight and use powers from them. Totally different obliviously.

He's not that either, but I suspect you already know this.

 Ahtman wrote:
One always needs a good white guy to take the lead and show Asians how it is done. Plus we get to see a Caucasian doing kung fu on TV, and how often does that happen?

Really? Fething really? You're going to drag this gak out to play?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really? Fething really? You're going to drag this gak out to play?

So you just ignored this post:

I thought it was clear I wasn't being that serious, which was my mistake.

so you could yell "Really? fething really?"?

I guess maybe it is cathartic for you, but it does seem to show a lack of judgement in what you are reading and posting. It also isn't my fault Bruce Lee developed the tv show Kung Fu but was to Asian to play a Chinese man. Getting worked up over that is to late as well.

Not sure they could do a Heros for Hire with their show. The Netflix version of Cage that we've seen doesn't seem the type to demand payment for him to help you. We've actually seen him try to turn down freely offered money.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I have a better idea. Don't waste money on stupid infantile gak like this.

What's "infantile" about it? You don't know anything about it.

Here's an idea Fraz: Watch the show, don't prejudge the show. You don't know anything about Iron Fist, so maybe learn a little about it.

Why? I have a finite amount of time left. If I am going to watch a chopsocky movie I'll watch a real chopsocky movie not a bad imitation chopsocky Batman.

Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage have all been worth my time. I expect this to continue.

I also like Rosario Dawson. I mean.... in the show..... ahhh.... as a linking device for the various heroes to eventually get them together as the defenders (or whatever they are called).

... bad imitation chopsocky Batman.

None of these things describe Danny Rand.

 Easy E wrote:
Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage have all been worth my time. I expect this to continue.

I also like Rosario Dawson. I mean.... in the show..... ahhh.... as a linking device for the various heroes to eventually get them together as the defenders (or whatever they are called).

My sole concern is how they might tie up the three tones we've seen so far. Jessica Jones was much more muted and plot driven than Daredevil's 'action then plot', Luke Cage (for me!) somewhere between the two.

I've every confidence they can pull it off, because it's all been sterling work so far.

And I would love to see Wilson Fisk appear as a villain for the Avengers to deal with. This is the best version of him I've ever seen on screen.

I don't think he hits near high enough yet to go against the Avengers.

I agree. Fisk rules as the bad guy that sees themselves as the hero. Very nuanced character full of depth.

I was sad about

The villain I have been most disappointed in has been..,.

I'm really looking forward to this one - looks great!

Especially if they weave in a lot of the mystical aspects relating to K'un-Lun.

And hopefully somehow this gets us closer to Moon Knight somehow, somewhere!

 Frazzled wrote:
I didn't need that post, not at all...


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 Breotan wrote:
Damn, Fraz, who peed in your Cheerios? Of all the characters that could be divisive, I wouldn't have thought it would be this one.

Spoiler:

First, almost all the older Marvel characters are silly tropes of some sort. How many are excessively rich, smart, good looking, or all three? Most of them. Second, Iron Fist came at a time when Kung Fu movies were all the rage in America. He was white because the Marvel writers and artists were white and they wrote/drew what they knew. Mostly. Power Man, Black Panther, and the Falcon came out of the whole Blaxploitation period so that's why they're the way they are. Finally, most comic book writing in the 60s and 70s wouldn't even reach the level of bad fan fic because most fan fic at least pretends to be literature. The comics didn't even do that much.

Iron Fist has money but unlike Batman isn't a genius nor does he use his money to fund his crime fighting with gadgets, computers, or arsenals. He's just a normal guy... who happens to have a dragon bonded to him.

And he isn't Buddist. The fact that he's beating everyone and everything up should attest to that.

Yea, for some reason this one just rubs me the wrong way, like an uncool rip on Hong Kong chopsaki classics.

What if it was Shang Chi master of Kung fu (the old ones were beautifully drawn by an Italian artisst


I know he is not wearing his yellow green outfit, i am interested but it makes me think of arrow too much

I wonder if we'll finally get the ROM: Spaceknight series we've all been clamoring for.

Finished Jones and Cage this week. Honestly DD season 2 was the best by far. I think that dd just has the best supporting cast. Though Dawson helped quite a bit in Cage. This looks close to dd so I think it'll be fun. Even with the tropes

 Ahtman wrote:
I wonder if we'll finally get the ROM: Spaceknight series we've all been clamoring for.

Hey did bring that comic book back with some moderate fanfare here a few months ago...

 AduroT wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I wonder if we'll finally get the ROM: Spaceknight series we've all been clamoring for.

Hey did bring that comic book back with some moderate fanfare here a few months ago...

Great comic, still have the complete series in me home country