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I've played 3 games with my start collecting flesh-eater courts against tzeentch even pointed game, and ha entry even been close to a win.

He uses 3 sorcerers on discs, 10 pink horrors and a big guy (can't remember who) that he proxies with Lord of change.

He casts the shield on his disc guys and the pink horrors come back in greater numbers.. All of his attacks are crazy powerful to the point where I ask him. Continues to check his rules.

After wiping the floor with me, he played against nurgles and whipped the floor with against nurgles.

Both of us thought we were done playing him.. I think I could've brought triple what I brought and still lost.

Are they really that powerful? Can anything beat it?

Are you playing with points? This is always something that's hard to figure out with AoS. If you're playing without them then its impossible to judge the power level of any 2 armies. Plus the rules of 1 would make the sorcerers not as frightening.

Wiping the floor against nurgle demons in AoS sounds....sketchy. I haven't played the new Tzeentch stuff yet but I do play nurgle demons and they don't die easily. Luckily the warscrolls are free so checking if he's making up rules is always available.

I have read through the description of the disciples of tzeentch battletome, they don't come across as that powerful, but probably at par with some of the newer armies. Sure there are some nice combinations that he can pull off.

How many points are you playing? Are you using all of the matched play rules, or points only?

Pink horrors should never be more than 10. If they are splitting into blue or brimstone horrors, then he is going over his allotted pts if he didn't allocate reinforcement points.

That said, if his pink horrors are coming back or splitting up, you should be summoning more ghouls back on the table, too.

Sounds like he might be unwittingly cheating unless he has reinforcement points set aside for Blue and Brimstone Horrors. Pink Horrors don't split unless you can pay for the Blues and so on. But no, Tzeentch isn't a combat army, its strength is flexibility and magic... but you should be able to kill his stuff fairly easily since Tzeentch aren't very resilient.

Flesh-Eater Courts can be very powerful - if you post the list you were using, maybe we can all help...

A summoning army complaining about units that split? LOL. That said how many points are you playing? You did said even pointed game. Like was mentioned before did he reserve points for his Horror's coming back?

Also I am not sure about your last comment? You refuse to play someone because you can't win? That is a little childish. What would happen if you never loose? It goes both ways.

From the sounds of it, you are not playing your army properly, and also I think he is using more points than you.

I played a Flesh Eater Courts army using Icewind Assault box and had more points than my opponent in a non point game and it was close. Yes I suck at playing Age of Sigmar but seeing how I had a lot more points and the game was still close, just means something is not being explained properly here. Since you are just using the Start collecting box, I think he might be using more points especially if he is not paying for his Horrors when they are splitting. In a non point game it's a different story then.

You have a magic based army as well, just like Tzeench. So not sure why you seem to imply magic is bad. Are you not using your spells as well? Are you synergising your army properly?

Likely by sorcerors he means the Skyfires. If that's the case the armies are fairly even except he's probably not paying for his replacements;

Lord of Change - 300
10 Pink Horrors - 140
3 Skyfires - 160
600

Ghoul King on Rando Dragon - 400
10 Crypt Ghouls - 100
3 Crypt Flayers - 160
660 (640 if he did Crypt Horrors)

But the Blue's and Brims add another 180pts so that throws it way off.

eh 780 points to 660 points isn't that huge a deal to tip things that much. Without a proper battle report to know what's going on there isn't much advice that can be given.

On the level of 2000pts Clan Skryre completely wrecks Disciples of Tzeench unless they specifically counter skaven alpha strike with lots of cheap meat shield like marauders.

Bonesplitters' kuning ruk with two frostlords on stormhorns are extremely hard to face.

Sylvaneth with kurnoth hunters' bowmen can alpha strike disciples with right placement.

Other than that I have yet to face serious challenge.
And the skryre bs is unlikely to survive for long (I bet they just won't make stormfiends battleline in GHB2 at least or change warp weapons to require to-hit at least.

Or they could make Stormfiends cost 375-390 each because that's where the warpfire ones are in effectiveness. Sucks for the other weapon options but it is what it is when they all cost the same.

If those are the forces I can see why the DoT is stronger. Effective magic and ranged attacks will hurt greatly. Looks like the ghouls are walking into a gunline.

Wait, with the Pinks splitting, you have to pay additional for them?! Where does it say that?? That seems...strange...since you don't pay extra for them to split in 40k, and you didn't back in OldHammer. Can somebody point me to that? Cuz it isn't summoning. It's an ability of the pink horror. If you tell me casting for a summoned unit of blues...okay, costs points. You tell me I can't have my horror split into blues unless I pay further? I wanna see the rule that ignores all precidence for that. I get that it's a different game. But it's by the same company that has two examples otherwise.

You give me an apple, an orange, and a pear, I'm going to figure as they're all fruit, they're all good for me. I don't assume the apple and orange are good, and the pear will kill me.

the generals' handbook which is very clear on the situation.

The general's handbook does not treat new models as SUMMONED it treats NEW MODELS as NEW MODELS.

It is a community issue where people mistranslate that to be "summoned" units but the rules themselves do not ever use the word "summoned" they clearly state models that were not originally a part of the battle.

This includes all kinds of things. Including blue horrors.

"Reinforcement Points" p.108
Sometimes a SPELL OR ABILITY will allow you to add units to your army or replace units that have been destroyed. In a pitched battle you must set aside some of your points in order to be able to use these units. The points you set aside are called your army's reinforcement points, and need to be recorded on your army roster."

You are replacing the unit of pink horrors with blue horrors. Erego you pay points for the blue horrors per the pitched battle rule. Or you don't play pitched battle and do whatever you want.

Also what is done in 40k has no bearing on Age of Sigmar since they are two different games entirely.

 auticus wrote:
the generals' handbook which is very clear on the situation.

The general's handbook does not treat new models as SUMMONED it treats NEW MODELS as NEW MODELS.

It is a community issue where people mistranslate that to be "summoned" units but the rules themselves do not ever use the word "summoned" they clearly state models that were not originally a part of the battle.

This includes all kinds of things. Including blue horrors.

"Reinforcement Points" p.108
Sometimes a SPELL OR ABILITY will allow you to add units to your army or replace units that have been destroyed. In a pitched battle you must set aside some of your points in order to be able to use these units. The points you set aside are called your army's reinforcement points, and need to be recorded on your army roster."

You are replacing the unit of pink horrors with blue horrors. Erego you pay points for the blue horrors per the pitched battle rule. Or you don't play pitched battle and do whatever you want.

Also what is done in 40k has no bearing on Age of Sigmar since they are two different games entirely.

Exactly this. Though note if he has a blue horror unit in range that has lost models previously in the battle, he can add blues to that unit as long as it does not exceed the starting size.

Yep. "Summoning" has nothing to do with the rules for reinforcement points. Summoning is just one of many ways you can get new units onto the table, and you have to pay in every case, whether from a spell or ability, no matter what it's called. This is not controversial, it's how every tournament plays it and it's very clear in the rules how it works.