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Looking to make some changes to my old Unending Host army, to try out something new.

Tips for improvements is helpful, and also tips for what more is needed at higher points levels is also nice.

Plan is for Warlord to leave command squad and join an ordnance battery to make use of his ability, Zombies to screen army against deepstrikers and to tie up melee units. Sentinels advance up and keep in cover and try to capture points.

Correct deployment will be the key to success with this army i think.



HQ

Renegade Command Squad (Covenant of Nurgle, Ordnance Tyrant, Command Net Vox)


TROOPS


20 Plague Zombies

20 Plague Zombies

20 Plague Zombies

Renegade Field Artillery (2 Heavy Quad Launchers)

Renegade Field Artillery (2 Heavy Quad Launchers)

Renegade Field Artillery (2 Heavy Quad Launchers)


FAST ATTACK

Renegade Sentinel Squadron (3 Sentinels W/ Heavy Flamers)

Renegade Sentinel Squadron (3 Sentinels W/ Heavy Flamers)


ELITE

Renegade Ordnance Battery (2 Artillery Carriages)

Renegade Ordnance Battery (2 Artillery Carriages)


HEAVY SUPPORT

Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery (3x Rapiers, Militia Training)

Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery (3x Rapiers, Militia Training)

Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery (3x Rapiers, Militia Training)
   
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So this list is pretty good and you have the right idea! I'd recommend dropping the Fast Attack squad though. You don't really need it. Instead, pick up some Strike Batteries. The Wyverns will serve you exceptionally well against a multitude of forces and also provide Ignores Cover.

I'm not sure that many Quad Launchers are needed either, but that's more of a flavor thing.

At the higher levels, people generally bring in Daemons or Cyclopia Cabals. Take a look at these top tier tournament lists:


Brett Perkin's 'Unbeatable' LVO 2017 List - 1st Place
-Bell's version is a little off but you get the basic idea-

Demons CAD
Fateweaver
The Masque
Brims
Brims
7 Screamers

Heralds Anarchic Formation
Lv. 3 Herald, Paradox, Disc
Lv. 1 Herald, Exalted, Disc
Lv. 1 Herald,

Renegades CAD
Command Squad, Nurgle, Ordnance Tyrant
3x Earthshakers
2x Wyverns
Wyvern
17 Plague Zombies
17 Plague Zombies
Quad Mortar
Quad Mortar
Quad Mortar
Quad Mortar
3x Rapier Laser Destroyer, additional crew, training
3x Rapier Laser Destroyer, additional crew, training
3x Rapier Laser Destroyer, additional crew, training
Skyshield Landing Pad

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/02/lvo-2017-unbeatable-40k-list-top-8-players.html



Brett Perkin's 2nd Place 2016 Nova Open list
-BattleScribe format-

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Brett-Perkins-2nd-Overall-Nova-Open-2016.pdf



Austin Wingfield's 4th Place 2016 Nova Open List
-BattleScribe format-

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Austin-Wingfield-4th-Overall-Nova-Open-2016.pdf

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Oh wow, didnt know Renegades performed that well in tournaments. And while i can see the appeal of the psychic powers of chaos daemons, i will probably keep my army 1 faction only for now (the people i play with are semi competitive, though they only use 1 faction only in thier armies, so i would like to do the same)

And i figured quad launchers was better than wyverns, while wyverns have ignore cover and shred, quad launchers are cheaper, tougher and have +1 STR and -1 AP on thier shots.

Though i guess i could get 1 Wyvern strike battery instead of the sentinels then. But will it not be hard to grab objectives with only the slow moving zombies? (if i keep my army 1 faction only mind you)

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 ThePie wrote:
Oh wow, didnt know Renegades performed that well in tournaments. And while i can see the appeal of the psychic powers of chaos daemons, i will probably keep my army 1 faction only for now (the people i play with are semi competitive, though they only use 1 faction only in thier armies, so i would like to do the same)

And i figured quad launchers was better than wyverns, while wyverns have ignore cover and shred, quad launchers are cheaper, tougher and have +1 STR and -1 AP on thier shots.

Though i guess i could get 1 Wyvern strike battery instead of the sentinels then. But will it not be hard to grab objectives with only the slow moving zombies? (if i keep my army 1 faction only mind you)


So under most 7th edition tournament rules your vehicles can score objectives. If you have Wyverns, they can move and Flat Out to snag objectives if you really need to instead of shooting. I wasn't trying to say replace your Mortars for Wyverns, I'm sorry if it came out like that. I just meant replace Sentinels and maybe rely on only 1-2 Mortars (though some of those lists I quoted took lots of Mortars too so that's also valid).

For objectives, think of it like this: most of the time, you only have 5 or 6 on the board. You're gonna park your artillery on 2-3 of them. That's half the battle right there. You then bombard your opponent right off the other ones so he can't claim them. Rolling on the Warlord tree that grants Infiltrate helps too as you can put your artillery on even more objectives. In short, you're Camper, as opposed to Eldar Windriders, which are Snaggers. Don't think of it as "get my zombies to objectives". Think of it as "park my guns on most the objectives and don't move". The zombies are just to tarpit assaulters.

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Audustum wrote:
 ThePie wrote:
Oh wow, didnt know Renegades performed that well in tournaments. And while i can see the appeal of the psychic powers of chaos daemons, i will probably keep my army 1 faction only for now (the people i play with are semi competitive, though they only use 1 faction only in thier armies, so i would like to do the same)

And i figured quad launchers was better than wyverns, while wyverns have ignore cover and shred, quad launchers are cheaper, tougher and have +1 STR and -1 AP on thier shots.

Though i guess i could get 1 Wyvern strike battery instead of the sentinels then. But will it not be hard to grab objectives with only the slow moving zombies? (if i keep my army 1 faction only mind you)


So under most 7th edition tournament rules your vehicles can score objectives. If you have Wyverns, they can move and Flat Out to snag objectives if you really need to instead of shooting. I wasn't trying to say replace your Mortars for Wyverns, I'm sorry if it came out like that. I just meant replace Sentinels and maybe rely on only 1-2 Mortars (though some of those lists I quoted took lots of Mortars too so that's also valid).

For objectives, think of it like this: most of the time, you only have 5 or 6 on the board. You're gonna park your artillery on 2-3 of them. That's half the battle right there. You then bombard your opponent right off the other ones so he can't claim them. Rolling on the Warlord tree that grants Infiltrate helps too as you can put your artillery on even more objectives. In short, you're Camper, as opposed to Eldar Windriders, which are Snaggers. Don't think of it as "get my zombies to objectives". Think of it as "park my guns on most the objectives and don't move". The zombies are just to tarpit assaulters.



Alright i can see the wisdom in that, and i didnt even think about rolling on the strategic warlord trait table, many of the traits there are good for a camping army, i suppose its better to roll with chance for multiple good outcomes than to roll on the renegade list which has 2 really good and 4 worthless traits.

So when moving up in higher points levels (1250, 1500 etc). What more would an army such as this need? i can see getting more zombies due to needing to tarpit more big units like wraithknights etc, the problem with trying to fit in more artillery is that already at 1000 pts the deployment zone is quite filled up. Perhaps i have no other choice but to go chaos daemons since they dont take up too much space....

Oh btw, how useful would it be to upgrade a ordnance carriage to a medusa siege cannon with breacher shells (Str 10, AP 1, small blast with armor bane) to deal with heavier vehicles, and being able to deal instant death to units such as necron wraiths etc.

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I would agree with Audustum. Dropping the fast attack for more artillery. If you are running a CAD and not the Purge (which you should be) all your zombies are going to be Objective Secured so you shouldent have a hard time mobbing the objectives and making your opponent do what he really does not want to do (spend time shooting at zombies).

At 1000 points your list is going to be very strong. Some people also bring a mortar team with the HQ/warlord to make him a little more survivable.

The Wyvern vs Quadmortar debate is a tuff one. I love Wyverns (they absolutely eat scat bikes alive) and ignore cover is huge. but the Quad mortarts are cheaper and cant get one shotted by a lascannon.

Either way I think you are going to do pretty well. Goodluck!
   
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Ferrus126 wrote:
I would agree with Audustum. Dropping the fast attack for more artillery. If you are running a CAD and not the Purge (which you should be) all your zombies are going to be Objective Secured so you shouldent have a hard time mobbing the objectives and making your opponent do what he really does not want to do (spend time shooting at zombies).

At 1000 points your list is going to be very strong. Some people also bring a mortar team with the HQ/warlord to make him a little more survivable.

The Wyvern vs Quadmortar debate is a tuff one. I love Wyverns (they absolutely eat scat bikes alive) and ignore cover is huge. but the Quad mortarts are cheaper and cant get one shotted by a lascannon.

Either way I think you are going to do pretty well. Goodluck!



The warlord will be joining an ordnance battery for that sweeet sweet toughness 7, but getting a mortar team for the command squad is a good idea, 5 pts for an additional blast is always nice.

And i figured that generally quadmortars are better, though its probably good to have a few wyverns to deal with units relying on good cover saves is a good idea. So i replaced by sentinels with 2 wyverns (and a mortar team).

And did you mean i should run the Purge or a CAD? At first i thought the CAD was better for objective secured and rerolling warlord trait (i normally used renegade warlord traits which has 2 really good and 4 worthless traits), but since i dont really need objective secured anymore (since i camp my own objectives) and i dont have to worry about bad warlord traits on the strategic table, i can see the purge being worth it to use, if thats what you mean?
   
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Oh sorry, you definitely want to take a CAD for objective secured.
   
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Ferrus126 wrote:
Oh sorry, you definitely want to take a CAD for objective secured.


Ah okay! Do you think its better to roll on the renegade warlord table or the strategic table? Renegade table have 2 awseome traits and 4 worthless one while the strategic ones all seem decent
   
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Howdy Pie! The list looks quite fine as it is. Have you thought of exchanging one of the HS slots for a stock Leman Russ for the PIE plate fun?
Also may I know which publication this list is in? Is it IA 13? Because I cannot see any reference to the "Ordnance Tyrant" special rule... or am I blind??!



 
   
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I roll on strategic trait table every time. Nothing like getting to infiltrate those laser destroyers and zombies =)

r3n3g8b0y, Ordanance Tyrant rules are in the siege of vraks book.
   
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Ahh yes, thank you Ferrus. Which of the books is the one usually used in competitive games, or are both interchangeable?



 
   
 
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