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AvatarForm wrote:CHOICE, alike the ACCC is as effective as a toothless chihuahua in most cases.

Whist that may be true on the most part there is a general rule of thumb in Australian Consumer Business; Don't piss CHOICE off!

The biggest problem with them is they are a third party organisation with no formal direct links, but when you have the right people essentially on speed dial...

insaniak wrote:It occurs to me that another potential way around the 'embargo' is for online retailers to offer second-hand miniatures.

Its funny you should mention that. One internet seller I use, looking the today at said seller(whom shall remain nameless) has a catagory of second hand minis now, seperate from the new stuff, for both 40k and fantasy. Interesting.....

Selling them used would certainly be a good alternative. How used does it need to be to count as used? Just take it out of the packaging?

-Loki- wrote:Selling them used would certainly be a good alternative. How used does it need to be to count as used? Just take it out of the packaging?

That is all is required.

Loose sprues outside packaging.

It would certainly make bits sites re-consider there pricing.

It would have to be sold and repurchased, or actually used for some purpose, I would think. I don't know if it's still there (although I would be surprised if it's not), but GW's trade agreement used to include a clause about only selling in original packaging... so just buying direct from GW, taking it out of the box and selling it like that wouldn't cut it.

insaniak wrote:It would have to be sold and repurchased, or actually used for some purpose, I would think. I don't know if it's still there (although I would be surprised if it's not), but GW's trade agreement used to include a clause about only selling in original packaging... so just buying direct from GW, taking it out of the box and selling it like that wouldn't cut it.

It depends on how it's paid for. So for example, A retailer could bulk buy at retailer costs from GW, effectively sell to himself, or should I say buy the products from his own store, and then resell them as second hand. As long as he can prove the finance trail, who could accuse him of any wrong doing? He wouldn't even need to remove the plastic wrapping....

Add to this, he could even sell to himself for something like £1 a box, making ahuge loss on the original sale, but knowing full well he would get his money back on the products sold abroad anyway....in theory, all that would happen, is the price of buying second hand would be £1 dearer than normal...

Delephont wrote:It depends on how it's paid for. So for example, A retailer could bulk buy at retailer costs from GW, effectively sell to himself, or should I say buy the products from his own store, and then resell them as second hand. As long as he can prove the finance trail, who could accuse him of any wrong doing? He wouldn't even need to remove the plastic wrapping....

Add to this, he could even sell to himself for something like £1 a box, making ahuge loss on the original sale, but knowing full well he would get his money back on the products sold abroad anyway....in theory, all that would happen, is the price of buying second hand would be £1 dearer than normal...

This is a really bad idea. It would guarantee that GW can end the contract, and any judge that hears the dispute will rule in GW's favour. Do you know why? Because judges hate smartasses. Trying to use such legerdemain to get around your legal responsibilities just puts you on the level of tax protesters and other pains in the ass.

AlexHolker wrote:

Delephont wrote:It depends on how it's paid for. So for example, A retailer could bulk buy at retailer costs from GW, effectively sell to himself, or should I say buy the products from his own store, and then resell them as second hand. As long as he can prove the finance trail, who could accuse him of any wrong doing? He wouldn't even need to remove the plastic wrapping....

Add to this, he could even sell to himself for something like £1 a box, making ahuge loss on the original sale, but knowing full well he would get his money back on the products sold abroad anyway....in theory, all that would happen, is the price of buying second hand would be £1 dearer than normal...

This is a really bad idea. It would guarantee that GW can end the contract, and any judge that hears the dispute will rule in GW's favour. Do you know why? Because judges hate smartasses. Trying to use such legerdemain to get around your legal responsibilities just puts you on the level of tax protesters and other pains in the ass.

Whoa there hoss, we were speculating about "how" the second hand retail route could be undertaken. I'm not a retailer, nor do I act as an advisor to any, and nor do I buy GW products....so let's play nice.

Plus look at my flag and look at yours, you'd think someone in your position would be slightly more positive towards any "idea / effort" that may bring you some savings....of course, if you'd prefer to pay top dollar while I, if I were still a customer, glibly pay half what you do, then hey, have at it

This is a complete and utterly slowed move on GW's part. It would alienate almost HALF of the world and potential markets. Not only that, I dont even think its legal.

In any event there is NO way they can enforce this since a retailer is subject to the laws of commerce in their country, not whatever GW says. That being said any retailer in any country can buy their stuff and then do whatever the heck they want with it.

I forsee a lot more people going to ebay to buy their GW products given this move. This is just stupid, GW is literally digging themselves a hole. If I were an investor I'd pull out asap.

Deus_Morte wrote:That being said any retailer in any country can buy their stuff and then do whatever the heck they want with it.

No, any retailer that they choose to supply can buy their stuff. If they don't like what you do with it then you don't get to buy it. They are under zero pressure to supply anyone that they do not want to supply.

Even if the retailer buys through a distributor, GW can simply tell the distributor not to supply them or face losing the ability to purchase their goods.

It is common practice in many sectors to limit retailers geographic boundaries. I've negotiated contracts like that for a variety of electrical goods and housewares.

Whether it's a good idea or not is a completely different subject...

Temujin wrote:

Vimes wrote:Making a bulk panic-purchase is about as bad as using a work around. Better use the work around to show them that the embargo did not work.
The only real way to show SOMETHING is actually stopping buying GW stuff. Now. Cold Turkey.

I agree. I almost did a final splurge before I was cut off from Maelstrom, but I managed to hold back. GW will not see one more penny (or yen for that matter) from until they are broken of this demented anti-customer attitude. I love the IP too much to support its horrible mismanagement under the current owners. I can only hope that enough people take a similar approach to bring down GW and free the IP up for someone sane to buy it. I am however resigned to the fact that I may simply have to abandon a hobby that I just recently got back into.

+1 Love the IP, hate the management

I had decided that I was not going to make one last splurge and I kept to it. I have instead ordered the Dystopian Wars land force. There are other companies that want my money that don't treat me as idiot like GW clearly thinks that are its OZ customers.

GW management can shove their life sized space marine where the sun don't shine

The only way Australians can afford GW anymore:

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-ViewAd?AdId=286798723&Guid=13044158-5410-a




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Aw, the above ad's been taken down now but basically one of my friend's posted another of my friends as being up for sale for $200 with the following:

‎1 Human male. 25yo. Mostly in good working order. Back is a bit stuffed but other organs all in good working order. Answers to "Brad". Mostly house trained. Need cash quick to buy Brettonian Warhammer army.

So what ended up being the thing that Wayland is doing for customers internationally? I'm looking at their site but can't seem to find it

Asuron wrote:So what ended up being the thing that Wayland is doing for customers internationally? I'm looking at their site but can't seem to find it

I think this is it:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/rest-of-world-customers/cat_956.html

filbert wrote:

Asuron wrote:So what ended up being the thing that Wayland is doing for customers internationally? I'm looking at their site but can't seem to find it

I think this is it:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/rest-of-world-customers/cat_956.html

Hmmm
Did they make any other announcements on what they are doing with this?
and how does it get past the embargo?

Asuron wrote:

filbert wrote:

Asuron wrote:So what ended up being the thing that Wayland is doing for customers internationally? I'm looking at their site but can't seem to find it

I think this is it:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/rest-of-world-customers/cat_956.html

Hmmm
Did they make any other announcements on what they are doing with this?
and how does it get past the embargo?

My guess would be they'd either source the ROW products separately to their EU only products (without using a trade account or through a third party distributor) and sell at a margin above UK RRP to cover the cost (or reduced discount if they sourced it from a distributor), just like they do with direct only items. This means they can still offer Aus + NZ customers a 30% discount on Aus RRP.

Better than nothing

This is typical of games workshop.. My reckoning is that they will eventually destroy themselves through their over pricing, poor management and poor customer services.. take for example Games day 2010 in the UK the event was half the size as 2009 more expensive, and awfully crowded. it makes me sad to think that a company that produces or produced such wonderful miniatures has such disrespect for it's loyal customers. i really feel sorry for you people of the southern hemisphere.

They think that us customers are stupid. i have not bought a single games workshop product since GD 2010 when lost my last respect for them as a company.. i was however moderately excited at the announcement of Citadel Finecast.. well until i say how utterly poor and shoddy the quality of the miniatures was.. resin is a cheap material and when cast well can have terrific results and fabulous quality.. finecast, ironically is not well cast at all and is downright poor with bubbles in the resin and in many cases badly warped and formed parts.. i don't know how long how long they think the can go on deceiving people but it must stop and prices must come down!


I propose a boycott of Games Workshop products until things change!


anyway that's my anti-games workshop rant over... for now

I wonder how much of a risk they are taking with doing that?

Just thinking how GW used to treat independents in the past, I don't think they would lose too much sleep over cutting off even a major retailer such as Wayland.

Pacific wrote:I wonder how much of a risk they are taking with doing that?

Just thinking how GW used to treat independents in the past, I don't think they would lose too much sleep over cutting off even a major retailer such as Wayland.

Well GW can always just give another 20% price rise to cover any loss of sales from Wayland

I'm interested to see what Wayland place there, and what their 'work around' turns out to be!

Alpharius wrote:I'm interested to see what Wayland place there, and what their 'work around' turns out to be!

I certainly hope they can do something.

GW really is shameless. From what's new today:

The Australians practice their rugby moves on the staff at Sunshine Plaza. Maybe they're trying out for the next England vs Australia match... Suffice to say, the staff member (and the security gate for that matter) lost the fight and the crowds surged in.

Probably to burn the place down, not to see the new finecast, amiright?

Tzeentchling9 wrote:GW really is shameless. From what's new today:

The Australians practice their rugby moves on the staff at Sunshine Plaza. Maybe they're trying out for the next England vs Australia match... Suffice to say, the staff member (and the security gate for that matter) lost the fight and the crowds surged in.

Probably to burn the place down, not to see the new finecast, amiright?

Rephrased in non-corporate speak;






"In other news, local Australians attempted to escape the local Games Workshop shop today after seeing the prices of the new Finecost models. Initially it looked as if the staff were going to be successful in their herding attempts, however the group found an unexpected hole in the newly placed Finecast door and escaped."

lol, except it looks like they're running INTO the store....

Stop it with your 'facts'! They disrupt the flow of AoE's story...

Sam__theRelentless wrote:lol, except it looks like they're running away from soap and water....

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Fix'd that for you

CT GAMER wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:lol, except it looks like they're running away from soap and water....

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Fix'd that for you

but... what?

Oh nevermind


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Sam__theRelentless wrote:lol, except it looks like they're running away from the CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

CT GAMER wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:lol, except it looks like they're running away from soap and water....

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Fix'd that for you

Zing!

Also, did you notice how small that crowd is?

It is nothing compared to a Midnight release for WoW or Halo2/3...

Besides, most of those pictured wouldnt make a first 15 and probably dont know what Rugby is jusging by how pale they are.

9 to 10 people is a crowd? I would have said its a "group". Or a "shambles".

9-10 people is not a crowd, it's a boxed set and will be charged AU$74 to leave the shop