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 lucasbuffalo wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Furthermore, going back to my point of having the sex symbols of Eldar women (of both alignments) being more successful in the franchise than squat women -

This is a ridiculously cherry-picked non-sequiteur.

You would need to prove that the reason the squats were "squatted" was because of the homeliness of their women. You may proceed.

Or the fat, gamer-looking race died off while the healthy, athletic males got to live.
There's no argument to be made from squats, sorry.

Sounds like evolution, nothing wrong with it there. (You may feel bad about it though if you happen to get the short end of the stick, but that's life!)

Huge thing t read here but Ill read the first and just jump to my take. Id say maybe? Depending on the company. But Im getting into Malifaux and I dont see that at all in their catalog. They seem to cover a rather large range nicely enough,

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 lucasbuffalo wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:

 DemetriDominov wrote:
Furthermore, going back to my point of having the sex symbols of Eldar women (of both alignments) being more successful in the franchise than squat women -

This is a ridiculously cherry-picked non-sequiteur.

You would need to prove that the reason the squats were "squatted" was because of the homeliness of their women. You may proceed.

Or the fat, gamer-looking race died off while the healthy, athletic males got to live.
There's no argument to be made from squats, sorry.

Sounds like evolution, nothing wrong with it there. (You may feel bad about it though if you happen to get the short end of the stick, but that's life!)

Exactly, my point isnt that having ugly women or some such nonsense was what doomed the squats to becoming a Tyranid buffet.

Yo mama so ugly, the Tyranid digestion pool spit her out.

 Peregrine wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The reason I say you can't blame them is because chances are they're probably some mix of socially inept, ignorant and/or just flat out not used to dealing with women.

So stop making excuses for them. The solution is to tell them that their behavior is unacceptable, not to excuse it and tell the victim of their social ineptness to just deal with it.

Firstly, you probably DON'T want to be treated like just another one of the guys, I know I sling insults at my male friends far more happily than would be politically correct or even comfortable for a female, secondly, if you actually want guys to change you have to stop blaming people for things.

Thank you for providing yet another example of the sexism problem. Women are people, they aren't some kind of magical creatures that have a greater-than-male sensitivity to insults.

Some of the things I say around my male friends, with few exceptions, if said to a woman would have my ass thrown into a sexual harassment suit in a heart beat. While I can say to my male friends, with out hesitation, "Suck my (insert various genitalia here)" If I said that to a woman, it would not go over the same way. Do I couch what I say around women, most of them yes, though I do have a few female friends were I can say some pretty damn degrading gak to them and not only do they not care, but they throw the same back at me. Then again those few women I have known for years and we are good friends.

mattyrm wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21033708

I know......

Koppo wrote:Just seen a related BBC article...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21033708

 MetalOxide wrote:

 Varrick wrote:
I think we are missing an important point in this argument. Now, obviously all humans & all soldiers are not Olympic athletes, but if you looked at the women's weight lifting categories, they tend to be slim. So i can quite easily buy a woman with infantry required strength having Lt. Miras body structure. And before anyone says a blasted thing, i know that there are a lot of Olympic weight lifters with a lot of girth to them, wide body range there.

Yes they may be slim but that does not guarentee that they wont even look the slightest bit more muscular than your average woman. Also you need to take into account that most miniatures are sculpted in 'heroic' proportions which in comparison, tend to be taller and bigger in every respect. Also the muscles are exaggerated and stylized.

For example, it would be silly to see realistically proportioned female miniatures amongst heroic poportioned male miniatures. It would be like mixing Imperial Guard with Infinity miniatures (I'm not saying Inifinity is realistically proportioned).

I was talking about Lt. Mira, from Space Marine. The video game. I brought it up because we were getting really close to "miras too skinny" territory.

 master of ordinance wrote:
The way that this thread is going i am apparently now a sesist prick for being a gentleman and allowing ladys to pass through a door before me or offering up my seat on the bus.

Don't worry. Whatever you do you'll be sexist in someone's eyes. The group I was with in University, if we didn't give women preferential treatment, none would join and we'd be call sexist for having lower than normal F:M ratio, then we give them preferential treatment by holding them to lower standards and we're sexist for giving them preferential treatment.

Oh and BTW my Girlfriend is about 6" smaller than me and far lighter built, cant pick me up off the ground, dosnt weight lift and i can lift her off the ground with ease. If she gets pissed she can drop almost anyone i know, baring myself, with one punch. Now try telling me women are not as good as men in combat.

I never understand the relevance these sorts of comments have to combat. "I know women who could beat most men", "My girlfriend could deck you", "My Mum could make you go to your room with nothing but a gaze". Is that what it takes to perform in a combat role? Coulda fooled me

I don't feel qualified to comment on the non-GW miniatures ranges because I don't have the knowledge of what's on offer there. From my perspective, what's important is that there's a good variety of practically-attired and -posed models available, and preferably that if there have to be fanservicey female models aimed at male players then there are, similarly, fanservicey male models aimed at female players.

My background and knowledge is more in the GW stuff, though, and often the written material is what bothers me the most. Stuff like no female space marines because handwaving (Sisters of Battle have always sort of rubbed me the wrong way for this reason - you can wear the power armour, but you can't ever be a super soldier because even space magic isn't that strong), or Eldar other than Howling Banshees almost always being referred to as male even though the backstory says they're either, or Eowyn having pretty awful stats even though she killed the Witch King, even down to little things like the player always being referred to as male in the rulebooks. I think all the female characters in the LotR line are pretty cool, but I still don't have any (unless you count Moria Goblins - hey, some of them were played by women in the movie!) because I'd be annoyed by their subpar stats.

None of these things is a big deal on its own. Those of us who do play manage to overlook them and still have a lot of fun! But together they do add up and they can lead to you feeling alienated from the hobby that's meant to be enjoyable.

I think these things could be improved, but the fact is, it could all be made perfect from a female player's point of view (insofar as there is such a unified thing for half the population of the world) and it would still probably take a long time for the ratios in the stores to really change. I don't think expanding the demographic is a speedy process even done right, and there's certainly a degree of cultural entrenchment that probably makes boys/men more likely to find out about it in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me at all if wargaming could grow to near parity in time, but it would probably take quite a while!

I would love to know what porno Peregrine watches. Women quietly reading a Gloria Steinem book?

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
I would love to know what porno Peregrine watches. Women quietly reading a Gloria Steinem book?

Probably in to some really kinky , hence the over compensation