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Could somebody explain how Hawk went under? I've only just started getting back into wargames after several years of losing interest. Also Hawks website is still up & running, were I to order the 1.1 Phase 2 rule book through the old Hawk website would that order be fulfilled?

Hawk didn't really go under so much as they sold themselves out. They bit off more than they could chew with the Dropfleet kickstarter and it brought basically everything else to a screeching halt as the entire studio/staff got tied up doing design, development, and production work on that and Dave Lewis (or whatever his name is, can't keep them straight anymore) was doing more project/business management work than he was sculpting, which he did not enjoy and really wanted to go back to making minis. By selling to TTC Dave was basically able to be a full-time sculptor/designer and have someone else handle all the business and logistic aspects of things, which he found preferable.

As for what happens if you order through their website, no idea. Give it a try, good luck, let us know how it turns out.

 DxM Scotty MxD wrote:
Could somebody explain how Hawk went under? I've only just started getting back into wargames after several years of losing interest. Also Hawks website is still up & running, were I to order the 1.1 Phase 2 rule book through the old Hawk website would that order be fulfilled?

The Dropfleet Kickstarter was too successful.

I don’t know what happens if you order from them, but I’m pretty sure that book is out of print. I believe most of the rules and scenarios, and a bit of the lore, ended up in free PDF format here.. I’ll check through the site in a moment to see if they sell the pdf versions of the complete books.

It might be worthwhile emailing customer service and asking if they have any spare copies they can sell you.


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Update: it looks like they have removed every rulebook except for the slim version of the latest edition.

chaos0xomega wrote:As for what happens if you order through their website, no idea. Give it a try, good luck, let us know how it turns out.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Update: it looks like they have removed every rulebook except for the slim version of the latest edition.

Following the link below takes you all the way through the checkout process without interruption. Do youse think it looks genuine?

https://hawkstaging.myshopify.com/products/dropzone-commander-reconquest-phase-2

I would ask TTCombat by email or through their site. Hawk Wargames doesn’t exist except through them.

UCM Ferrum Raven Dropship coming this week

The Ferrum Raven is a high speed light transport, able to conduct operation far ahead of your main forces body. Its primary role is to drop count units behind enemy lines near potential targets. Its small size and high manoeuvrability makes it extremely capable in urban Dropzones which would affect is lumbering cousins. More information about this weeks Dropzone Commander release will be available this Friday.

Isn't the raven the OG dropship? Is this a variant in game or just a resculpt? I thought this was the one in the notablely good starter set that came out with 1e.

 warboss wrote:
Isn't the raven the OG dropship? Is this a variant in game or just a resculpt? I thought this was the one in the notablely good starter set that came out with 1e.

It looks like a re-release of the original type A/B Ravens, rather than the current Titania Raven.

Thanks for the clarification. Did they change them in the starter as well? I haven't been paying much attention to the game in years.

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. Did they change them in the starter as well? I haven't been paying much attention to the game in years.

The starter set plastics have the old Ferrum-style medium dropships and a resin Titania pattern small dropship for the resin HQ vehicle. The additional armor starter box is all resin and all Titania pattern air vehicles.

It looks like there's a few tweaks from the Hawk ravens. The lights in the middle of the wings, there's 4 now?

But also, this is easily the worst paintjob I've seen out of TTC yet. It's just sloppy as feth with not enough coverage from the metallics so you can see the green base beneath it, and bad depth on all the metal parts, and obvious mistakes all over the canopy with the red and blue.

Put the two side by side, and it's really sad how much worse they look.

The thick gloopy texture makes the new one look like it’s made from abobe.

With the Titania Condor Dropship, is it finally possible to represend the Dropship loaded with three Tanks on the Flying base/stand at the same time?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. Did they change them in the starter as well? I haven't been paying much attention to the game in years.

The starter set plastics have the old Ferrum-style medium dropships and a resin Titania pattern small dropship for the resin HQ vehicle. The additional armor starter box is all resin and all Titania pattern air vehicles.

Thanks. That initial starter was really good when released and the typical groupthink is that metal molds for plastic injection are too expensive to not use over and over. I wonder if they switched to resin to produce locally at lower volumes as needed instead of (likely) running large runs in China.


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slyphic wrote:
It looks like there's a few tweaks from the Hawk ravens. The lights in the middle of the wings, there's 4 now?

Jean Luc will be happy to hear that. Thanks for the comparisons and I agree that the paint job (while admittedly better than anything I can accomplish) isn't as good as the original.

Glad to see the original ravens back, I assume the falcons will follow.

I'll pick up a couple of packs for sure.

The TT Combat paint jobs have never looked great on these models, way to bright green. Also on these it looks like the spray they used went bad, rough texture and colour splats in the base coat. Why they went with it rather than redo it to show the models off I don't know.

WIP Wednesday – Attila Trackwalker stamping into battle!

“Back in St Olaf, we saw the UCM tanks that could elevate their guns, and we said, ‘We can elevate more than that!’”

Resistance is going off in a weird direction aesthetically. Not a fan.

Also, this model has the same grungy texture. Is it a filter or something? Or just a super rushed paint job, and that's why it's listed as WIP.

The top coat looks like it was painted over a craft paint base. It could also be the effects of humidity while the paint was drying...

 Sacredroach wrote:
The top coat looks like it was painted over a craft paint base. It could also be the effects of humidity while the paint was drying...

Looks like a classic case of humidity interfering with a sprayed-on base coat. Which happens.

But you strip it and repaint it, you don't just carry on. That's some amateur hour shoddy workmanship that I'd expect out of someone new to the hobby just not understanding the impact of the mistake and just wanting to get some models on the board.

To use it in promotional material is unfathomably lazy. I've watched the old Hawk painting videos where Dave is knocking out units with simple paint jobs in like 5 minutes, and they look worlds better than this.

It's crazy to see how much TTCombat disrespect Dropzone.

Another aspect might be that they have shifted from using a telephoto camera at distance and are using a macro camera close up - and not an expensive one either based on the general quality of the photo.



I also agree, Hawk set a really high bar for painting quality. They were up there with Infinity in terms of the level of skill and quality in the paintwork on display. So this does feel far more like quick snaps taken during a game. Which is totally fine if that's what it is, its just not perhaps the best way to show off a brand new model when its clearly more in a posed situation not battle.

slyphic wrote:

 Sacredroach wrote:
The top coat looks like it was painted over a craft paint base. It could also be the effects of humidity while the paint was drying...

Looks like a classic case of humidity interfering with a sprayed-on base coat. Which happens.

But you strip it and repaint it, you don't just carry on. That's some amateur hour shoddy workmanship that I'd expect out of someone new to the hobby just not understanding the impact of the mistake and just wanting to get some models on the board.

To use it in promotional material is unfathomably lazy. I've watched the old Hawk painting videos where Dave is knocking out units with simple paint jobs in like 5 minutes, and they look worlds better than this.

It's crazy to see how much TTCombat disrespect Dropzone.

Annoyingly those old painting tutorials dave did are no longer on youtube.

I've had a spray do this on me a couple of times, as you say you strip the model and start again. carrying on and then using these poor quality models in promo material isn't doing the games image any favours.

Ferrum Raven Dropships & Ferrum Falcon Gunships out today - £10 for 2.

Hallelujah, I've been hunting high and low for a few more Ferrum Falcons for a while now.

New Space Stations are live!

YAY scourge get a station!!

No Yay they are still putting all those freaking little details on the mould line. Seriously I like scourge but couldn't they give them a smooth join or something over the edges!

New Light Armour Battlegroup for the UCM out this week!

This militaristic faction has expanded upon its initial Combined Armour Battlegroup and has refocused on rapid response. Three Katana Light Tanks are a nimbler version of the more common Sabre and are fitted with either twin cannons or a flamethrower. Also, you’ll find a pair of Longbow Howitzers which while lightly armoured are ideal for taking out enemy support units. A Titania Condor Dropship provides aerial support and is ideal for transporting your light tanks. Finally, we have a pair of the new Jackal/Dingo LAV’s.

More information about these LAV’s on Friday.

I love the armor groups. They’re a great way to get into Dropzone.

Multiple Armour Battlegroups are available today!

Whoever designed those sets love walkers!