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Antepo wrote:
Do you think the new cadian kit will include optional units? Like the eldar with oldschool guardians and those storm guardians.
Well it has to include a new hat to make people who already have them buy more.

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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The Tzeentch cubes army still reigns supreme. I vaguely remember the person who made it got death threats from angry GW consumers, but I hope that's just embellishment added to memory by my dying brain.
The Cubes were certainly one of the more interesting takes on a daemons army. And while they were divisive among community members, I don't know that he ever got death threats did he?

Also another worthy contender for most offbeat daemon army goes too this guy.
What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?

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 Snrub wrote:

What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?

Probably just jaded to more "normal" demons thanks to the local wildlife.

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 Snrub wrote:

What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?

Probably has something to do with the price. Aussies pay more, I think.
So if there's an opportunity to cobble something together they'll go for it, and daemons by their nature are meant to be formless and varied.

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 Snrub wrote:
 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The Tzeentch cubes army still reigns supreme. I vaguely remember the person who made it got death threats from angry GW consumers, but I hope that's just embellishment added to memory by my dying brain.
The Cubes were certainly one of the more interesting takes on a daemons army. And while they were divisive among community members, I don't know that he ever got death threats did he?

Also another worthy contender for most offbeat daemon army goes too this guy.
What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?


These are awesome! I love how out-there they are. My one worry would be struggling to identify them as a player, but the concept is excellent.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Field reports are coming in. The spymaster is pleased.

OK_E wrote:The combat patrol consists of...

Cadian shock troops Field ordinance battery Armoured sentinel Cadian command squad

Just a little bit of information for you

You won't be running pure cadians (of course you could) You will be able to mix and match different regiments into one force.

Your army bonus doesn't care that half is catachan and the other krieg, you'll still get your army rule.

The only benefit in running say a unit of catachan is to use a strat like "vicious traps"

In enemy charge phase spend X cp When a unit is charged and is in terrain, roll a d6 +1 if unit is catachan or guerrillas +1 if unit has a melta mine +1 if sly marbo is on the battlefield

On a 2-5 the enemy unit suffers d3 mortal wounds, on a 6+ the enemy unit suffers 2d3 mortal wounds


Field Ordnance is not the new heavy weapons team, per OK_E.

Three big guns (or rockets) to a squad


Regarding the Cadians and Command Squad:
New for both

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Field reports are coming in. The spymaster is pleased.

You won't be running pure cadians (of course you could) You will be able to mix and match different regiments into one force.

Your army bonus doesn't care that half is catachan and the other krieg, you'll still get your army rule.

The only benefit in running say a unit of catachan is to use a strat like "vicious traps"

In enemy charge phase spend X cp When a unit is charged and is in terrain, roll a d6 +1 if unit is catachan or guerrillas +1 if unit has a melta mine +1 if sly marbo is on the battlefield

On a 2-5 the enemy unit suffers d3 mortal wounds, on a 6+ the enemy unit suffers 2d3 mortal wounds



That sounds suspicoiously like there is no longer any regimental benefit at all? I'll wait and see, but that would really surprise me in a very non pleasing way.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

Field Ordnance is not the new heavy weapons team, per OK_E.

Three big guns (or rockets) to a squad


hmmmm?

Spoiler:


edit:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Field reports are coming in. The spymaster is pleased.

OK_E wrote:The combat patrol consists of...

Cadian shock troops Field ordinance battery Armoured sentinel Cadian command squad


People were wondering about new Cadians when there was an upgrade sprue... does this mean the IG combat patrol is getting the Ork treatment with push-fit models and the current guardsmen kit remains on sale too?

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 xttz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

Field Ordnance is not the new heavy weapons team, per OK_E.

Three big guns (or rockets) to a squad


hmmmm?

Spoiler:



No, this is spot-on. Has to be.
   
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 GiToRaZor wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Field reports are coming in. The spymaster is pleased.

You won't be running pure cadians (of course you could) You will be able to mix and match different regiments into one force.

Your army bonus doesn't care that half is catachan and the other krieg, you'll still get your army rule.

The only benefit in running say a unit of catachan is to use a strat like "vicious traps"

In enemy charge phase spend X cp When a unit is charged and is in terrain, roll a d6 +1 if unit is catachan or guerrillas +1 if unit has a melta mine +1 if sly marbo is on the battlefield

On a 2-5 the enemy unit suffers d3 mortal wounds, on a 6+ the enemy unit suffers 2d3 mortal wounds



That sounds suspicoiously like there is no longer any regimental benefit at all? I'll wait and see, but that would really surprise me in a very non pleasing way.


Pretty much depends on whether the designers suffer from drug abuse or nostalgia. In 2nd ed it was perfectly normal to play a Guard army consisting of units from different regiments. If they want to emulate that they may drop restrictions for Guard that remain in place for other armies to establish a certain flavor for the army.
   
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Its simpler than that: insisting on regimental models at this point means they're pushing people towards models that GW _doesn't sell_.

As a company they absolutely will not design regimental bonuses around Out of Print or 3rd party models. No more conveniently timed MTO or last chance to buy deals.

With other factions, its a color scheme, which isn't a threat to sales. So a switch to color=army power is the only way GW is likely to do it (barring dropping the concept). Otherwise they're going to have add Mordians, Tallarn, Valhallan, etc back into active production with new kits.

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 GiToRaZor wrote:

That sounds suspicoiously like there is no longer any regimental benefit at all? I'll wait and see, but that would really surprise me in a very non pleasing way.


"Scions range is now 24" get the regiments bonus and also 6's to hit score additional hits"

This seems to imply that Regimental traits are still there.
   
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Maybe the regiments are now generic rather than specific, i.e. rather than playing "Cadian Shock Troops" or "Death Korps of Krieg", you are playing a "shock regiment" or a "siege regiment".

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Gathering the Informations.

A Poster on Reddit wrote:So we're getting new stock Guardsmen?

Also, any idea on the release date? A Kasrkin character maybe? Anything new for the Scions?


Ok_E wrote:Nope, nope, nope

Scions range is now 24" get the regiments bonus and also 6's to hit score additional hits


What it looks like is the case?
There's "Regiments of Renown"(Catachans, Cadians, Krieg, etc) and then something generically vague. The "Vicious Traps" bit I had quoted earlier applies to "if unit is Catachan or guerillas". I wouldn't be shocked if there's a vague "army type" you can pick, ala Guerillas or Veterans or whatever.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:

What it looks like is the case?
There's "Regiments of Renown"(Catachans, Cadians, Krieg, etc) and then something generically vague. The "Vicious Traps" bit I had quoted earlier applies to "if unit is Catachan or guerillas". I wouldn't be shocked if there's a vague "army type" you can pick, ala Guerillas or Veterans or whatever.


I'm wondering if it's a custom regiment builder type thing which grants you specific keywords as a step up from the custom doctrines from The Greater Good.
   
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 Olthannon wrote:
Wasn't that how it used to be anyway?


Custom regiments never got specific stratagems or relics or warlord traits.
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Snrub wrote:

What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?

Probably has something to do with the price. Aussies pay more, I think.
So if there's an opportunity to cobble something together they'll go for it, and daemons by their nature are meant to be formless and varied.


The price of GW stuff down here is obscene. It's usually about 50% more than the USD prices.
   
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 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
Wasn't that how it used to be anyway?


Custom regiments never got specific stratagems or relics or warlord traits.


I think what they is referring to is how the Guard used to be in the 3rd/4th edition books, where when you made your army you picked 5 doctrines which either allowed access to special abilities (at a point cost sometimes), special equipment (also sometimes at a point cost), or special unit types (Ogryns, Halflings, Grenadiers, Stormtroopers, Rough Rider, etc). The famous regiments (at the time basically the Cadians, Catachans, Steel Legion and other metal regiments) and some others the team had made up (Harkoni Warhawks, Salvar Chem-Dogs) had five preselected doctrines if you picked them. Like Steel Legion had sometime like Mechanized, Conscripts, Ratling, Stormtroopers, etc.

But that was well before the time of stratagems, relics, and warlord traits.

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 Sabotage! wrote:
 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
Wasn't that how it used to be anyway?


Custom regiments never got specific stratagems or relics or warlord traits.


I think what they is referring to is how the Guard used to be in the 3rd/4th edition books, where when you made your army you picked 5 doctrines which either allowed access to special abilities (at a point cost sometimes), special equipment (also sometimes at a point cost), or special unit types (Ogryns, Halflings, Grenadiers, Stormtroopers, Rough Rider, etc). The famous regiments (at the time basically the Cadians, Catachans, Steel Legion and other metal regiments) and some others the team had made up (Harkoni Warhawks, Salvar Chem-Dogs) had five preselected doctrines if you picked them. Like Steel Legion had sometime like Mechanized, Conscripts, Ratling, Stormtroopers, etc.

But that was well before the time of stratagems, relics, and warlord traits.

Some of them had more than five. Cadians had seven. I was never totally clear about whether you could take all seven, or just the 5 that suited your army best out of seven.

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I think the idea was that in trade for taking the fixed Cadian traits, you got more of them. It could be a good system for guard to return and combine build a regiment rules.
   
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 JesusFreak wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Snrub wrote:

What is it with Australians and weird daemon armies?

Probably has something to do with the price. Aussies pay more, I think.
So if there's an opportunity to cobble something together they'll go for it, and daemons by their nature are meant to be formless and varied.


The price of GW stuff down here is obscene. It's usually about 50% more than the USD prices.


And the USD prices are already 25% higher than the European ones.

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 Sabotage! wrote:
 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
Wasn't that how it used to be anyway?


Custom regiments never got specific stratagems or relics or warlord traits.


I think what they is referring to is how the Guard used to be in the 3rd/4th edition books, where when you made your army you picked 5 doctrines which either allowed access to special abilities (at a point cost sometimes), special equipment (also sometimes at a point cost), or special unit types (Ogryns, Halflings, Grenadiers, Stormtroopers, Rough Rider, etc). The famous regiments (at the time basically the Cadians, Catachans, Steel Legion and other metal regiments) and some others the team had made up (Harkoni Warhawks, Salvar Chem-Dogs) had five preselected doctrines if you picked them. Like Steel Legion had sometime like Mechanized, Conscripts, Ratling, Stormtroopers, etc.

But that was well before the time of stratagems, relics, and warlord traits.



Yep.

As Voss points out, GW simply aren't going to bring the old minis back to life as much as I would love them to.

So going back to that where you can pick however many things from a list seems like the likely scenario. Providing of course that all this info was right..

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 Gert wrote:
Can't copywrite generic terms.


You can't copyright terms at all, you can only trademark them.
   
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Which in turn is useless vs copycats anyway. Only defence vs that is be so insignificant and bad nobody wants to copy you

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 Olthannon wrote:


As Voss points out, GW simply aren't going to bring the old minis back to life as much as I would love them to.

So going back to that where you can pick however many things from a list seems like the likely scenario. Providing of course that all this info was right..


I'd argue that these changes makes it more likely for old minis to come back. The whole thing seems designed around supporting small numbers of different regiments piecemeal like how IG worked in 2nd edition, rather than repainting all your infantry should your favourite regiment receive an update later. The intent is clearly to sell a wider range of guard infantry than in recent editions. Therefore it would be odd to switch to a whole new rules mechanism that only covers the few regiments available in plastic (currently just Cadians, Krieg, Catachans).

More likely that we'll see MTO / rotated releases for at least some of the old regiments like Mordians & Tallarn, and they each get a corresponding stratagem in the codex. That leaves the door open for GW to develop further regiment-specific Kill Team sets at a later date that players can just plug in to the existing codex.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Bombast field gun

Heavy lascannon

Malleus rocket launcher


This could be good.
   
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I've been wanting a field gun for Guard back since they took them away in 3rd ed. Hope it ends up looking good.

Anyone please remind me, did we ever get an idea when the Guard release might happen? Daemons are next, but after that? Are we completely in the dark about the order of codices?

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Gathering the Informations.

after daemons but before LoV.
   
 
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