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Guess the silence about Combat Patrol is the final nail in the coffin for anyone who hoped for the Spearhead mechanics being ported over.

 stahly wrote:
Guess the silence about Combat Patrol is the final nail in the coffin for anyone who hoped for the Spearhead mechanics being ported over.

I had hopes, but oh well.

They might be able to work something out with the mission deck and the rules, but at this point I’m not holding my breath.

Finally some news about wargear points. It was always incredibly silly to just remove them, as if they had any intention of making the heavy bolters and multi-meltas on a squad of Retributors somehow equal.

(They've never been equal in any edition and will never be, MMs are just too useful. But the HBs should at least have the decency to be cheap!)

 Ashiraya wrote:
Finally some news about wargear points. It was always incredibly silly to just remove them, as if they had any intention of making the heavy bolters and multi-meltas on a squad of Retributors somehow equal.

(They've never been equal in any edition and will never be, MMs are just too useful. But the HBs should at least have the decency to be cheap!)

Yeah, there were a lot of squads I liked cheep and cheerful. Not every squad needed to be maxed out on wargear. Boys before toys. But with 10th, why not?

I might need to review some squads I put together under 10th. We’ll see how gritty the points get.

All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Finally some news about wargear points. It was always incredibly silly to just remove them, as if they had any intention of making the heavy bolters and multi-meltas on a squad of Retributors somehow equal.

(They've never been equal in any edition and will never be, MMs are just too useful. But the HBs should at least have the decency to be cheap!)

Yeah, that definitely was great news. Though they said the points are for "big things" so I am interested in seeing what that exactly means. Hopefully it at least means that the dual-cannon Dorn will be cheaper.

How much will Armageddon Boxset cost?
A: A little bit more than Leviathan and little bit less than Saturine.

Between £150 and £200 then. Interesting.

Less than Saturnine is interesting. Not what I expected. But then Saturnine is packing an awful lot of plastic.

There was a lot of vaguely worded stuff in there that honestly makes me uncomfortable. Deathwatch and imperial agents both for example.

they're always cagey in Q&As, picking low hanging fruit for questions and giving noncommittal/vague/jokey answers to anything impactful. I don't think it's a cause for much concern as long as you remember these Q&As are as much (if not more) a marketing exercise as they are a way to inform people

Charax wrote:
they're always cagey in Q&As, picking low hanging fruit for questions and giving noncommittal/vague/jokey answers to anything impactful. I don't think it's a cause for much concern as long as you remember these Q&As are as much (if not more) a marketing exercise as they are a way to inform people

I feel no more informed on some topics than I did previously in honesty.

 Crimson wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Finally some news about wargear points. It was always incredibly silly to just remove them, as if they had any intention of making the heavy bolters and multi-meltas on a squad of Retributors somehow equal.

(They've never been equal in any edition and will never be, MMs are just too useful. But the HBs should at least have the decency to be cheap!)

Yeah, that definitely was great news. Though they said the points are for "big things" so I am interested in seeing what that exactly means. Hopefully it at least means that the dual-cannon Dorn will be cheaper.

Probably means we'll be back to full granular points in 3 or 4 more editions of the game


Psychic attacks doing something is good to hear - in 10th they were basically worse regular attacks because they did nothing special on their own and anti-psy abilities meant they were worse against some targets.

I'm REALLY hoping that Legends units being added in the app and Legends units getting updated rules when the codices come out will finally put to bed all the people saying that you can't play with Legends units / Legends are dead models.

I'm sure some people still will online, there are some that will always complain about things, but I mean in actual non-competitive games / events.

 Tawnis wrote:
I'm REALLY hoping that Legends units being added in the app and Legends units getting updated rules when the codices come out will finally put to bed all the people saying that you can't play with Legends units / Legends are dead models.

I'm sure some people still will online, there are some that will always complain about things, but I mean in actual non-competitive games / events.

I know I tend to avoid legends in list building partly because I enjoy the convenience of the app. This will remove a barrier to their acceptance. And hopefully lessen the feeling of them being second class citizens.

I also hope it will help. 40k's community embracing legends like 30k has embraced legacies would make it way more palatable, since it offers that guarantee that your models have longevity.

All I wanted from 11E was Spearheadification of Combat Patrol...

 Crimson wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Finally some news about wargear points. It was always incredibly silly to just remove them, as if they had any intention of making the heavy bolters and multi-meltas on a squad of Retributors somehow equal.

(They've never been equal in any edition and will never be, MMs are just too useful. But the HBs should at least have the decency to be cheap!)

Yeah, that definitely was great news. Though they said the points are for "big things" so I am interested in seeing what that exactly means. Hopefully it at least means that the dual-cannon Dorn will be cheaper.

At the very least I hope this means there's now once again a reason to not take sponsons on a Leman Russ.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Are they going to support two SKUs for basically the same kit? The Warhammer stores keep shrinking, shelf space is pretty tight. I'd expect one or both options to be online only.

Going by recent terrain offerings, they'll only be a single production run that's available for about 3 minutes after release anyway.

Flyblown Host is not what it used to be.
If it's a 1-Point Detachment, I guess that's okay? If not, brutal.

Tangent Thread also.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Flyblown Host is not what it used to be.
If it's a 1-Point Detachment, I guess that's okay? If not, brutal.

Tangent Thread also.

All 3 of the shown detachments were said to 1 point ones at the end of the article, so, while definitely changed, its not necessarily worse for it. Will have to see the full list of changes when it all drops.

warl0rdb0b wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
Flyblown Host is not what it used to be.
If it's a 1-Point Detachment, I guess that's okay? If not, brutal.

Tangent Thread also.

All 3 of the shown detachments were said to 1 point ones at the end of the article, so, while definitely changed, its not necessarily worse for it. Will have to see the full list of changes when it all drops.

I did not notice that.
Thank you.

 Ashiraya wrote:
All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

Equally useful would have been nice. I don't think I've seen anyone willfully use ANY pistol other than a plasma pistol in 10th. Now, had they made bolt pistols with 2 shots, and Laspistols with 4 shots I might have considered one of those.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

Equally useful would have been nice. I don't think I've seen anyone willfully use ANY pistol other than a plasma pistol in 10th. Now, had they made bolt pistols with 2 shots, and Laspistols with 4 shots I might have considered one of those.

That runs into the issue of "Why the hell does my pistol fire twice as fast as my rifle?"

Also, while I firmly believe things like sponsons and Hunter Killer Missiles should have a cost since they're just add-ons with modest to big impact, the difference between a Las and Bolt pistol... That's not even a 1 point upgrade.
A Plasma pistol is probably worth 2 or 3 points... But not much.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

Equally useful would have been nice. I don't think I've seen anyone willfully use ANY pistol other than a plasma pistol in 10th. Now, had they made bolt pistols with 2 shots, and Laspistols with 4 shots I might have considered one of those.

That runs into the issue of "Why the hell does my pistol fire twice as fast as my rifle?"

Also, while I firmly believe things like sponsons and Hunter Killer Missiles should have a cost since they're just add-ons with modest to big impact, the difference between a Las and Bolt pistol... That's not even a 1 point upgrade.
A Plasma pistol is probably worth 2 or 3 points... But not much.

It used to be a 10 point upgrade..... that people happily paid AND still chose over the free laspistol or the 1 point bolt pistol.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

Equally useful would have been nice. I don't think I've seen anyone willfully use ANY pistol other than a plasma pistol in 10th. Now, had they made bolt pistols with 2 shots, and Laspistols with 4 shots I might have considered one of those.

That runs into the issue of "Why the hell does my pistol fire twice as fast as my rifle?"

Also, while I firmly believe things like sponsons and Hunter Killer Missiles should have a cost since they're just add-ons with modest to big impact, the difference between a Las and Bolt pistol... That's not even a 1 point upgrade.
A Plasma pistol is probably worth 2 or 3 points... But not much.

It used to be a 10 point upgrade..... that people happily paid AND still chose over the free laspistol or the 1 point bolt pistol.

And I would argue that that was a poor decision, generally speaking.
Exception for "I've got 10 points left over, might as well upgrade SOMETHING." But if you've got six Sergeants, that's 60 points on Plasma Pistols that will fire maybe once per game. Way better to take a cheapo extra squad.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
All edition I've had people defend the free wargear and assure me that GW will -absolutely- find some way to make multi-lasers, heavy bolters, plasma cannons, heavy flamers and lascannons be all equally useful.

Very obviously that was never going to happen, as evidenced by the Astra Militarum codex dropping and showing that GW wasn't interested in even attempting it.

Let's hope this is a good sign of reversal.

Equally useful would have been nice. I don't think I've seen anyone willfully use ANY pistol other than a plasma pistol in 10th. Now, had they made bolt pistols with 2 shots, and Laspistols with 4 shots I might have considered one of those.

That runs into the issue of "Why the hell does my pistol fire twice as fast as my rifle?"

Also, while I firmly believe things like sponsons and Hunter Killer Missiles should have a cost since they're just add-ons with modest to big impact, the difference between a Las and Bolt pistol... That's not even a 1 point upgrade.
A Plasma pistol is probably worth 2 or 3 points... But not much.

It used to be a 10 point upgrade..... that people happily paid AND still chose over the free laspistol or the 1 point bolt pistol.

And I would argue that that was a poor decision, generally speaking.
Exception for "I've got 10 points left over, might as well upgrade SOMETHING." But if you've got six Sergeants, that's 60 points on Plasma Pistols that will fire maybe once per game. Way better to take a cheapo extra squad.

I took them because I play WYSIWYG & that's what some of my IG Sgts were cast with. Same reason I took las & bolt pistols. Or in the case of some officers, boltguns.
Sure, if I cared enough I could've converted their weapons. But it's far simpler to just pay for a # of plasma pistols than do a weapons swap on metal models.
And I still take the various pistols for this WYS reason. Afterall, I'm still using the same models. Except now they are finished models so any conversion work is just that much harder.

When I say "poor decision" I'm referinng purely to the gameplay.
Preferring Plasma for WYSIWYG or aesthetics is obviously a valid choice too.

So they're screwing us over on options with the units from the box set, like the Boyz in the box will have bog standard options but the actual kit will have special weapons. Good to know, but it still pisses me off royally. I was irritated about it with the Termagants in the last box too. Now, if said special weapons cost points, it won't sting nearly as bad since maybe you want to keep your Boyz cheap and cheerful, like if all you want is melee combat out of them.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
So they're screwing us over on options with the units from the box set, like the Boyz in the box will have bog standard options but the actual kit will have special weapons. Good to know, but it still pisses me off royally. I was irritated about it with the Termagants in the last box too. Now, if said special weapons cost points, it won't sting nearly as bad since maybe you want to keep your Boyz cheap and cheerful, like if all you want is melee combat out of them.

I mean, it's been that way in literally every big edition box 40K has ever had, so...

They answered my Custodes question. Good to know that all the plastic from the new Custodes box will be used going forward. *Whew*