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1- any unguided skyfire weapon should not shoot snapshots on ground units

2- any weapon that shoots projectiles / beams at a meaningful % of C should not shoot snapshots on flyers

This doesn't really work the way you want for specific reasons.

1: vehicles or units with dedicated skyfire usually have guns on a permanent upward axle that would be very cumbersome to fire on ground targets, likewise dedicated skyfire on fliers are usually designed forward mounted, the only way to fire on a ground target would be to angle towards the ground to fire at an extreme range.

2: I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by meaningful percentage of C but you still have to consider that to hit with such a weapon you are aiming at a distant target moving at very high speeds and you would have to lead your target with pinpoint accuracy, well beyond even the most experienced soldier before you include the chaos of a war and the conditions of the battlefield.

Tristanleo wrote:
1: vehicles or units with dedicated skyfire usually have guns on a permanent upward axle that would be very cumbersome to fire on ground targets, likewise dedicated skyfire on fliers are usually designed forward mounted, the only way to fire on a ground target would be to angle towards the ground to fire at an extreme range.

This depends, really. A counter example would be the IG Hydra, which has guns that are easily capable of pointing down at ground targets and even has fluff about how devastating it is against lightly-armored targets when there are no flyers around. And if you think about it having a permanent upward angle would give the AA unit a huge blind spot against low-altitude targets, the only kind of aircraft that AA guns are capable of hitting. The few AA units that shouldn't be able to shoot at ground targets fluff-wise are better represented with unit-specific rules limiting their fire against ground targets.

And of course the ultimate argument against this explanation is that skyfire units can shoot at skimmers at full BS, including skimmers that are hovering just above the ground. If you can aim the guns at a Hammerhead floating a foot off the ground you can aim at a Rhino sitting next to it.

2: I'm a bit confused as to what you mean by meaningful percentage of C but you still have to consider that to hit with such a weapon you are aiming at a distant target moving at very high speeds and you would have to lead your target with pinpoint accuracy, well beyond even the most experienced soldier before you include the chaos of a war and the conditions of the battlefield.

This. Having a laser weapon doesn't mean that your turret rotates instantly and with perfect accuracy, your gun mount is capable of elevating sufficiently to hit the target, etc.

Yep. Simplest way to fix skyfire is revert it back to 6th where they could choose between flyers or ground targets. Means Hydras will no longer be a joke and there will be a point again in taking a quad gun with an ageis.
GW MASSIVELY overvalues the skyfire rule since it adds so much to a weapons cost yet means it can't fire properly at 95% of the units in the game. There was a point in its costing in 6th as it added much needed versatility, but without that versatility I wouldn't take it if it was free on most weapons, let alone pay 30+ points more on the normal cost of the weapon.

 Peregrine wrote:


This. Having a laser weapon doesn't mean that your turret rotates instantly and with perfect accuracy, your gun mount is capable of elevating sufficiently to hit the target, etc.

still I see no reason a lascannon should ever have a difficult time tracking aircraft. you kinda just point and click. there is no lead time. oh and lasguns shooting snapshots on flyrants.......... it's a little stupid. that said I'm way more annoyed by the first point.

What about letting models with both Skyfire and Interceptor shoot at ground targets with no penalty (as in 6th) BUT with the caveat that you cannot Intercept with that weapon in the following turn?