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I've been reading online that a Khorne Lord on Juggernaut can take units of mighty skullcrushers as battleline. After looking through the blades of khorne, khorne bloodbound, and general's hand book I can't find the rule ... I would have sworn that I have run across it before. Does anyone have knowledge of the book and page number?

Thanks

The rule is in both the General's Handbook and the Blades of Khorne book in the "pitched battle profiles" section. You'll see to the right of their profile a note is written there with the rule

Note you will need to stick to bloodbound allegiance for this to work, so no daemons.

You will also be unable to use the Khorne allegiance ability as your allegiance will be Khorne Mortal and not Khorne.

 EnTyme wrote:
You will also be unable to use the Khorne allegiance ability as your allegiance will be Khorne Mortal and not Khorne.

AFAIK he would still get Khorne allegiance, an army with Ironjawz allegiance still gets the benefit of Destruction for example.

Yeah, to get the Khorne Allegiance, you just need the word, "Khorne," to be stated anywhere in the Keyword sectioned of your units, regardless of whether it's a Mortal, Bloodbound or Daemon unit. That also includes Archaon. Anyone without the keyword though, means you wouldn't get the ability

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You will also be unable to use the Khorne allegiance ability as your allegiance will be Khorne Mortal and not Khorne.

AFAIK he would still get Khorne allegiance, an army with Ironjawz allegiance still gets the benefit of Destruction for example.

This is where I always get confused. Looking at page 156 of the GHB:

"When your army qualifies for more than one allegiance - e.g. all of the units are ORDER and STORMCAST ETERNAL - you must choose which allegiance your army will use before each game."


"Khorne" is its own allegiance with special allegiance abilities, artifacts, etc.

"Khorne Mortal" is also its own allegiance, but without special allegiance abilities, etc., but it allows using Skullcrushers as battleline if you also use a Juggerlord as your general.

I did just try to make the list in Azyr. If the "Khorne" allegiance is taken, Skullcrushers can't be taken as battleline. If "Khorne Bloodbound" (I expect this the be the requirement on the Matched Play profile in GHB2 as that is the way it's listed in Blades of Khorne) is the allegiance, they count as battleline, but Khorne allegiance abilities can't be chosen. Not a 100% definitive answer, but if the official GW warscroll builder won't validate it, we may have been playing it wrong.

As an additional note, after further testing, an army with the Khorne Bloodbound allegiance may take the Chaos allegiance abilities or Khorne Bloodbound allegiance abilities (which as far as I know don't exist), and an army with the Ironjaws allegiance may take the Destruction allegiance abilities or Ironjaws allegiance abilities (which, again, I'm not aware of). I'm wondering if Azyr may be operating under some updated rules that we won't see until GHB2 is out. Maybe something along the lines of "An army my use the allegiance abilities of its Grand Alliance regardless of the army's actual allegiance"

Found it, it's an eratta on the first page of the FAQ: "an army may use the allegiance abilities of the army it belongs to or the allegiance abilities of the grand alliance it belongs to"

So mortal Khorne allegiance could use chaos abilities at the very least IMO they could pick from the Khorne ones as well because "Khorne" is included in "mortal Khorne" and because I'm pretty sure that's RAI. From a strict RAW they would be limited to generic Chaos abilities though, at least for now.

The units have "mortal" and "Khorne" as seperate key words, so they'd qualify to be a "Khorne" army. Also, the fact that they're units under the Blades of Khorne book means they'd qualify to get the books allegiance abilities haha. That's like saying "Mortal, Tzeentch" units wouldn't qualify to get the Tzeentch allegiance abilities

Again, open Azyr and try to make that list. It won't validate.

That seems really odd to me as you're using nothing but Khorne units. So the logic is that it counts as a Bloodbound allegiance and not a Blades of Khorne allegiance?
I'm just curious as I use the Lord as a general and the Juggernauts as Battleline and go all Bloodbound but have been using the new Blades of Khorne stuff. If I've been doing it wrong, I'm going to have to rethink my list :/

I honestly think it should work that way too, but I would consider Azyr to be a primary rules source. Like I mentioned earlier, the relationship between "Allegiance" and "Allegiance abilities" may be clarified in GHB2. I'm hoping an FAQ for Blades of Khorne is forthcoming. I've already asked a couple questions about it on the AoS FB page and gotten some answers (though even the guys who run the FB page admit they aren't with the rules team, so I consider the answers unofficial).

 EnTyme wrote:
I honestly think it should work that way too, but I would consider Azyr to be a primary rules source. Like I mentioned earlier, the relationship between "Allegiance" and "Allegiance abilities" may be clarified in GHB2. I'm hoping an FAQ for Blades of Khorne is forthcoming. I've already asked a couple questions about it on the AoS FB page and gotten some answers (though even the guys who run the FB page admit they aren't with the rules team, so I consider the answers unofficial).

I agree this is pretty much where we're at right now.