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So far, so good!

There's been a couple of nerdy callback spots, and Bill is already far more interesting than Clara ever managed.

And I'm looking forward to the rest of the season

   
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UK

Definitely better than it could have been, Bill is far less irritating than expected, Capaldi continues to just own the script and screen and I can forgive a pretty unoriginal monster in what amounts to an intro episode.

I still hold the last series (bar Sleep No More which is just terrible) as the high point, 11/12 fantastic episodes, but I'm definitely on board for this one. Lots to look forward to; old-school Cybermen, Ice Warriors, The Master(s)!

Though next week's is written by the guy who did In The Forest Of The Night, which isn't exactly encouraging...

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Canterbury

happy enough with that

...... any speculations as to what is in the vault then ?
Must be pretty important if he's hanging around to guard it.

...looking forwards to the 2 masters team up too

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Somewhere in south-central England.

I enjoyed that very much. Bill is a refreshing change from soppy Clara.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Wow.......I completely missed this.

5000pts 6000pts 3000pts
 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Bill was a nice surprise. From the talk and clips beforehand I was expecting a hyper-cringeworthy "down with da kidz"(middle class middle aged TV writers trying to write young, usually working class slang dialogue rarely turns out well) affair but it came together quite well.

I also quite liked Matt Lucas' character, such as it was, which is a phrase I never thought I would utter in any circumstances.

Capaldi continues to be brilliant and it will be a shame to see him go, doubly so if the rumoured replacement Boring McAveragebore of the Boretown McAveragebores is right.

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Made in gb
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Nardole was a pleasant surprise.

I'm a fan of Matt Lucas, and have been ever since I saw him performing Sir Bernard Chumley's Gangshow at the Edinburgh Fringe. But, I wasn't sure he was right for Doctor Who.

But so far he's slotted in quite nicely

   
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What is Nardole? Was it mentioned in one of the xmas specials in some way that I missed?

Help me, Rhonda. HA! 
   
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He was first introduced in The Husbands of River Song - but having only seen that once, and last year's Christmas special once, my memory is hazy!

   
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Yeah, he was River's assistant in The Husbands of River Song, where he has his head removed. He pops up again in the latest Christmas Special, where they mention that the Doctor 'reassembled' him. From the bit at the start of this episode, it looks like he might be a cyborg.

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. It's a very different tone to last season, and I like Bill far more than I expected to.

 
   
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So apparently the Tardis is less special if there are other ships that can travel thru time just as fast and far while also shape shifting? That wasn't even the whole other ship, just part of it.

 
   
Made in us
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Yeah but then we knew the Timelords didn't have a monopoly on time travel.

Certainly the Daleks had it - and I think Sontarans too? Not 100% on the Sontarans though.

We also don't know the specifics. If that ship was simply following in the Tardis' slipstream, it's not so special.

   
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Hyderabad, India

While we're here, something is bugging me about the Season 9 closer (demi-closer?) Heaven Sent.

So every room in the castle resets itself to the state it was in when the Doctor arrived. OK, fine. That in fact is a key point in the whole thing.

So... how does he ever get through the wall? Wouldn't whatever damage he did be reset as well?


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PS glad to see I'm not the only one who didn't like Clara, it's a shame, the actress was good but other than her Mary Sue moment at the end of Matt Smith's run they never convinced me she was at all interesting. The whole Impossible Girl thing made it worse since she now had to live up to being the Most Important Companion of All Time.

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Or the most irritating companion, hence The Doctor keeps on running....

vworrp....vworrp.....clung!....Right then Jamie, open the doors and let's see....oh no it's her again!!! CLOSE THE DOORS! vworrp vworrp vworrp.

As for the wall? Shhhhhh. Wibblywobblytimeywimey!

   
Made in gb
Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





UK

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
While we're here, something is bugging me about the Season 9 closer (demi-closer?) Heaven Sent.

So every room in the castle resets itself to the state it was in when the Doctor arrived. OK, fine. That in fact is a key point in the whole thing.

So... how does he ever get through the wall? Wouldn't whatever damage he did be reset as well?


Not everything resets. For example, the (his) skulls keep piling up at thw bottom of the lake. The painting of Clara is a little older each time. The clothes he leaves to dry are always there for the next time. The wall must be another of those elements that doesn't revert when he hits the teleport.

 
   
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Works for me. Course then that raises the issue that this was a very bad trap, if he keeps reliving the same few days how do they ever expect to get a confession out of him since he'll do the same thing every time...

ARG! Such a good episode till I start to overthink it.

 
   
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Timelord arrogance would be my suggestion.

   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Works for me. Course then that raises the issue that this was a very bad trap, if he keeps reliving the same few days how do they ever expect to get a confession out of him since he'll do the same thing every time...

ARG! Such a good episode till I start to overthink it.


Because not many people are prepared to spend longer than the lifetime of the universe to batter their way through a solid diamond wall 10 feet thick with their bare hands, one punch at a time, getting killed each time and having to work out the whole puzzle again in order to repeat it.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Hyderabad, India

But he didn't! He relived the same few days x billion times but subjectively he only remembers being in there a few days.

It's actually an interesting free will question, make the same person live the same day will they do the same things? And if so, why expect a different result on the billionth take...

 
   
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UK

It doesn't really explain why, but the episode,is pretty clear that when he finds the wall, he remembers all the previous cycles, hence he understands that he needs to punch through so each 'life' gets a little further. If he didn't understand it was a loop, there'd be no point in trying that.

 
   
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I thought by then he didn't so much remember the cycles as figure it out from the clues (the skulls, the painting etc) and of course after a few million tries there'd be a visible dent in the wall.

Anyway, damn good science fictioning in there. Damn good.

 
   
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Bit concerned about the 'Emojibots' in next week's episode. For my money, Dr Who has never done contemporary particularly well.

Too reminiscent of the Handbots, Smilers and that crap one with the Cat Nurses (not to be confused with the Cat People from 'Survival', which is a fantastic story)

But it may all turn out well!

   
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Survival was trying to do "contemporary" too, though.

Mind you, there's a discussion on Charles Stross' blog about what'll happen in the next 100 years; one thread of discussion was the technologically-mediated evolution of English - a written language of emojis was one suggestion. a sort of modern hieroglyphic text.

The robots actually remind me a little bit of Paradise Towers, although the new series has had a fair few dystopia stories already too.
   
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Survival worked though - and was pretty ambitious in terms of plot and effects. Just a shame we never saw Ace again.

Den of Geek have posted up a spoiler free review, and it seems this is another solid episode, with Bill being particularly good again.

Roll on Saturday!

   
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That was way better than I was expecting, especially given it was the same guy that wrote the slightly dodgy Forest of the Night episode.

Bill does continue to impress - less starry eyed and 'oh Doctor you're wonderful' and more human 'what does this do! Why? What's that?'

Next week's episode looks interesting as well.

   
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I got a very "Weeping Angels" vibe from it, but I liked it! This is my first experience of the new series, but I like this companion - young, questioning, yet more than ready to put the Doctor in his place.

I think my main issue with this was just the massive oversight of
Spoiler:
the initial landing party. Like, they didn't consider the effects of death? They didn't allow for some "master reprogramming switch" in case the robots got out of hand? I think they really didn't consider the laws of robotics when they made them.


Next ep looks fun, if I remember to watch it.


They/them

 
   
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?





UK

Definitely enjoyed that second episode. Maybe didn't go as far with some themes as it could have done, but still good fun, nicely resolved and with some well-written dialogue. I'm liking the lack of a sledgehammer-subtle plot arc, just the odd hints at the Vault* and Bill continues to be surprisingly likeable.

*My guess, The Master's TARDIS is in there, prompting the two Masters we're getting this series to team up and nick it back...

 
   
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Portland, OR

 AduroT wrote:
So apparently the Tardis is less special if there are other ships that can travel thru time just as fast and far while also shape shifting? That wasn't even the whole other ship, just part of it.
But did it travel in time? After all time is just relevant. The Doctor traveled to the future across the far universe. The other ship only has to know where it will be and when, then travel the distance. Where the Tardis took 1 second to travel to the future across the universe. The other ship could have taken 1000 years (or however far they traveled into the future) to actually get to that destination. So it gives the illusion that it time traveled, hence it didn't actually time travel.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
What is Nardole? Was it mentioned in one of the xmas specials in some way that I missed?
Nardole was a former employee of River Song. After River and the Doctor spent 24 years on Darillium...
Spoiler:
...when River went to hear death in the Library, the Doctor reassembled Nardole because he was afraid to be alone. The Doctor and Nardole then spent about 70 years at St Luke's University in Bristol watching the vault.


 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I think my main issue with this was just the massive oversight of
Spoiler:
the initial landing party. Like, they didn't consider the effects of death? They didn't allow for some "master reprogramming switch" in case the robots got out of hand? I think they really didn't consider the laws of robotics when they made them.
Not really an oversight. I mean do you worry about the TV or Toaster being effected by your absence? They are machines, they are tools, why would someone think that would change when it isn't in the programming.

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 Dark Severance wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
So apparently the Tardis is less special if there are other ships that can travel thru time just as fast and far while also shape shifting? That wasn't even the whole other ship, just part of it.
But did it travel in time? After all time is just relevant. The Doctor traveled to the future across the far universe. The other ship only has to know where it will be and when, then travel the distance. Where the Tardis took 1 second to travel to the future across the universe. The other ship could have taken 1000 years (or however far they traveled into the future) to actually get to that destination. So it gives the illusion that it time traveled, hence it didn't actually time travel. .

Except that it then followed them back to the Time War.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Except that it then followed them back to the Time War.
Ay, there's the rub. The real question is what year in Earth time did the time war occur? They haven't identified where in relation with Earth's history, past or future the time war technically took place. The time war itself takes place throughout time and technically is multiple wars.

According to canon the first war was 30,000 years ahead of Earth's future (which I think is the only indicator of where in relation to Earth's history things were), that was when the Order of the Black Sun launched attack to stop Gallifrey from gaining time travel. The second war which lasted 30,000 years took place a generation after the time of Rassilon, when the Time Lords were fighting the other races that developed time travel. Then the Deindum war fought across time against Braxiatel. Then there was the war between the Time Lords and Enemy (never given any other name), which resulted in the Gallifrey being destroyed because the 8th Doctor tried to prevent it. Then the time lords fought the Daleks in the Last Great Time War where all 13 incarnations of the Doctor froze Gallifrey in the pocket universe. Then there was the 900 years stalemate on Trenzalore that eventually resulted in averting a new Time War.

Although figuratively speaking they traveled to each place which was in the Doctor's past, it was not in relation to Earths timeline at the time. Due to quantum mechanics the ship only had to theorize or see where she was going to be and travel there. From what I can tell from when Bill interfaced with it, she could see the universe almost instantly. It didn't appear to see the past, as more it saw futures... or as the Doctors lecture said, what if you could see all your futures at the same time. It did travel fast though, since there was a delay on it arriving to to where they were in Time War as well as the end of the universe, although that seemed to be about the speed it was showing Bill the whole universe for those brief moments.
   
 
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