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Good evening all. Just starting a IH army. This is what I currently own, and am looking to expand to 2500pts. Anyone have any suggestions on IH list building? Suggestions welcomed.

+ HQ +
Iron-father Autek Mor - Cyber-familiar

Legion Centurion - Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Cyber-familiar
. Consul: Primus Medicae

+ Elites +
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought -Twin-Linked Lascannon x 2
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought - Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons x 2

+ Troops +
Legion Tactical Squad - 14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Squad - 14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

+ Legion +
Legiones Astartes Iron Hands, Loyalist
Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon

Mat

Well, what kind of style or theme are you aiming for? Personally I'm a big fan of breachers, more so on there looks there looks then performance. IH have the Immortals. Find the theme you want to run. Then build around it.

I play World Eaters and it's easy to build a fluff based list off them.

The X Legion is renowned for its armour warfare. I am trying to base the list Post Isstvan, with Autek Mor as the ruling Iron Father.

Interested in the Deredeo pattern dreadnought. I want armour assets, but only one to two pieces to reflet the losses incurred. Dreadnoughts would seem the logical shoe in to replenish gaps in the Legions armoured units

Immortals and Gorgons seem both very point costly for what you get out of them. Maybe I am blinded to their awesome. If so, please educate.

Rapiers have always interested me, but look like they could really sky rocket in points when adding in the shells.

Mat

This is my current IH list, using the Company of Bitter Iron RoW

HQ:
Praetor – Iron Father
Paragon Blade, Plasma Pistol, Servo-arm, Melta Bombs, Frags and Kraks
Artificer Armor, Iron Halo, Cyber Familiar, FNP (6+)

Troops:
Medusan Immortals (10) x 2
Volkite Charger, Bolt Pistol, Boarding Shield, Frags and Kraks, PA, FNP (5+)
2 Immortals with Melta Guns
Sergeant w/ Volkite Charger and Power Fist

Land Raider Phobos x 2
Twin-linked Heavy Bolter (hull), Two Twin-linked Lascannons (sponsons), Multi-melta (pintle)
Machine Spirit, Armored Ceramite

Elites:
Gorgon Terminators (5)
3 Power Fists, 3 Combi-bolters, TA (Gorgon), FNP (5+)
Graviton Gun and Power Fist
Hammerbearer w/ Thunder Hammer, Combi-bolter, Grenade Harness

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (2)
2 Kheres Assault Cannons

Heavy Support:
Spartan Assault Tank
Twin-linked Heavy Bolters (hull), Two Laser Destroyers (sponsons), Multi-melta (pintle)
Machine Spirit, Armored Ceramite, Extra Armor

TOTAL: 2460

I run them as post Istvaan renegades. They hit incredibly hard and take forever to be killed. The one downside is that there are very few units. But each one can do its job extremely well.

Iron hands do one thing better than any other 30k legions and that's tanks. Head of the Gorgon is an absurdly good rite of war and Orth is a phenomenal character.

I think it's important to play to an armies strength rather than mitigate a weakness. We arn't the best close assulters, we don't have the best firepower, and we arn't the most mobile. But what we do have is a list that rewards mechanized warfare. Even the inviolate armor rule is perfect for surviving getting out of transports and surviving where other armies do not.

My advice as a fellow member of the Iron Xth is to treat the IH like a modern mechanized army when list building and you won't stray too far.

 Freytag93 wrote:
This is my current IH list, using the Company of Bitter Iron RoW

HQ:
Praetor – Iron Father
Paragon Blade, Plasma Pistol, Servo-arm, Melta Bombs, Frags and Kraks
Artificer Armor, Iron Halo, Cyber Familiar, FNP (6+)

Troops:
Medusan Immortals (10) x 2
Volkite Charger, Bolt Pistol, Boarding Shield, Frags and Kraks, PA, FNP (5+)
2 Immortals with Melta Guns
Sergeant w/ Volkite Charger and Power Fist

Land Raider Phobos x 2
Twin-linked Heavy Bolter (hull), Two Twin-linked Lascannons (sponsons), Multi-melta (pintle)
Machine Spirit, Armored Ceramite

Elites:
Gorgon Terminators (5)
3 Power Fists, 3 Combi-bolters, TA (Gorgon), FNP (5+)
Graviton Gun and Power Fist
Hammerbearer w/ Thunder Hammer, Combi-bolter, Grenade Harness

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (2)
2 Kheres Assault Cannons

Heavy Support:
Spartan Assault Tank
Twin-linked Heavy Bolters (hull), Two Laser Destroyers (sponsons), Multi-melta (pintle)
Machine Spirit, Armored Ceramite, Extra Armor

TOTAL: 2460

I run them as post Istvaan renegades. They hit incredibly hard and take forever to be killed. The one downside is that there are very few units. But each one can do its job extremely well.

Now, I don't know much about IH, but why have a plasma pistol for the iron father? Seams like a waste of points. I imagine the Iron father is with the Gorgons? Maybe add some more bodies to that unit. Hell, at 2500+ I'd say that Primarch level.

Now with the Phobos, do you plan on assaulting out of them?
If not I'd say replace them with Protues, then you can have x3 twinlinked lascannons.

Also, take flairshields on your Spartan.

The list itself looks cool, and nice fluffy themed list and I'd love to play against it. But I can picture some hard counters.

 kinratha wrote:
Now with the Phobos, do you plan on assaulting out of them?
If not I'd say replace them with Protues, then you can have x3 twinlinked lascannons.

I don't see that as an option in my red book. Only heavy bolter or heavy flamer.

And not to derail this thread, as I was simply giving an example of how I run fluffy IH for the OP.

 Freytag93 wrote:

 kinratha wrote:
Now with the Phobos, do you plan on assaulting out of them?
If not I'd say replace them with Protues, then you can have x3 twinlinked lascannons.

I don't see that as an option in my red book. Only heavy bolter or heavy flamer.

And not to derail this thread, as I was simply giving an example of how I run fluffy IH for the OP.

Do you have the must up to date book? You can take a hull twin-linked lascannon or TL Heavy bolter or heavy flamer on a Proteus.

 kinratha wrote:

 Freytag93 wrote:

 kinratha wrote:
Now with the Phobos, do you plan on assaulting out of them?
If not I'd say replace them with Protues, then you can have x3 twinlinked lascannons.

I don't see that as an option in my red book. Only heavy bolter or heavy flamer.

And not to derail this thread, as I was simply giving an example of how I run fluffy IH for the OP.

Do you have the must up to date book? You can take a hull twin-linked lascannon or TL Heavy bolter or heavy flamer on a Proteus.

Possibly... what cost do you have for a LR Phobos? I have it at 250, and the Spartan at 295. I thought that was the updated costs. Cause the flair shield is now 25 points.

The phobos is unchanged, but the proteus is 185 +upgrades.
One of which is a TL hull lascannon (+30pts).
The Spartan went up by 10pts (to 305pts) and the flare shield went up by 20pts (to 45pts).

A quick point on the grenade harness, if all of your weapons are unwieldy, the grenade harness doesn't do much for you.

Regarding the OP's list:
The primus medicae needs to be with terminators to get the best out of it, otherwise its an extremely expensive apothecary.
However, terminators generally need a wagon to travel in, so you'd need a Spartan or a Kyarybdiss for transport. (Or orbital assault ROW)

The Deredeo dreadnought is a solid weapons platform, it will provide all the AA you need unless there is a flying circus. The autocannons are better than the TL assault cannon mortis dreadnought for dealing with almost all flyers, they can also pop rhinos with ease and glance AV14.
The plama weapon is a solid choice for killing terminators and lighter flyers, not as good an anti-tak weapon. If you like fishing for crits, the Arachnus lascannon array hits very hard.

Immortals are better, more flexible, breacher squads. They essentially have a free apothecary, so are technically cheaper than breachers.
They have access to unit-wide Volkite, so can be tailored to anti-infantry quite easily.
Gorgon terminators are indomitus terminators with a fancy flashbang effect and access to graviton guns. This makes them very capable tank hunters. They also have FNP, essentially a free primus medicae.
Grab some chainfists / power fists and break open some tanks.

So, played around a bit. Good points. This is the Legion for armour. Out flanking Spartans sounds fun. The Primus is only in TA as that's the only one I have here. I am whittling down to two HH forces, so some of my WE units/characters will find a new Legion.
Thoughts on this for 2500pts? Not 100% sold on the Tactical Support Squad. Would still like to test drive a Deredeo as stated above.

+ HQ +
Iron-father Autek Mor Cyber-familiar

Legion Centurion Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Cyber-familiar
. Consul: Primus Medicae

Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth

+ Elites +
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Legion Contemptor Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Havoc Launcher

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Twin-Linked Lascannon x 2

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons x 2

+ Troops +
Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Support Squad
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Space Marines
. Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Volkite Caliver
. Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol

+ Heavy Support +
Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Legiones Astartes: X: Iron Hands, Loyalist
Rite of War: The Head of the Gorgon
[b]++ Total: [2500pts]

I like it. One suggestion though. I would highly recommend finding the points for 2 apothecaries for your two tactical squads. FNP plus our legion rules create incredibly durable squads that are quite frustrating to shoot off the table. I would recommend dropping some of the upgrades off of your spartans. IMO the new 45 point flare shield isn't worth it.

Another option would be to drop the consul. You don't have any terminator squads, so he doesn't really give you any additional benefit that normal apothecaries would give you. You could drop him and pick up two normal ones for the same price or even cheaper.

+ HQ +
Iron-father Autek Mor Cyber-familiar

Legion Centurion Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Cyber-familiar
. Consul: Primus Medicae

Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth

Looks good, I don't know much about IH HQs.

+ Elites +
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Legion Contemptor Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Havoc Launcher

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Twin-Linked Lascannon x 2

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons x 2

So any reason why you want a CC dread? Also I'm not sure if the twinlinked las dread will be worth it? I'd recommend you look at a Deredeo, they provide great support

+ Troops +
Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Support Squad
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Space Marines
. Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Volkite Caliver
. Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol

Looks good,

+ Heavy Support +
Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

So here's my question, you don't have any dedicated assault units, so why Spartans?

 Freytag93 wrote:
I like it. One suggestion though. I would highly recommend finding the points for 2 apothecaries for your two tactical squads. FNP plus our legion rules create incredibly durable squads that are quite frustrating to shoot off the table. I would recommend dropping some of the upgrades off of your spartans. IMO the new 45 point flare shield isn't worth it.

Another option would be to drop the consul. You don't have any terminator squads, so he doesn't really give you any additional benefit that normal apothecaries would give you. You could drop him and pick up two normal ones for the same price or even cheaper.

I went with FS's on the Spartans as a regular opponents seems to build armies into his lascannons

As for the Apothecaries, that is a great idea. I have one in PA at home which will come from my WE Legion, the other I have the bits to make it, minus the legs for a Mk III marine.



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 kinratha wrote:

+ HQ +
Iron-father Autek Mor Cyber-familiar

Legion Centurion Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Cyber-familiar
. Consul: Primus Medicae

Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth

Looks good, I don't know much about IH HQs.

+ Elites +
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Legion Contemptor Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, 2x Graviton Gun, Havoc Launcher

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Twin-Linked Lascannon x 2

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons x 2

So any reason why you want a CC dread? Also I'm not sure if the twinlinked las dread will be worth it? I'd recommend you look at a Deredeo, they provide great support

+ Troops +
Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Squad
14x Legion Tactical Space Marines
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist

Legion Tactical Support Squad
Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Space Marines
. Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Volkite Caliver
. Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol

Looks good,

+ Heavy Support +
Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Legion Spartan Assault Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

So here's my question, you don't have any dedicated assault units, so why Spartans?

I have the CCW dreadnought from my soon to be folded WE Legion. However, the arms are changeable, so I can switch in a Lascannon to bolster my anti-tank capabilities.

Spartans. Well, I have one already, again coming from my WE. I can think of no better vehicle to transport my marines, and using the IH ROW Head of the Gorgon gives my tanks and dedicated transports Outflank. I sort of like the idea of dumping in two large tactical blobs and support characters to get up close. In my opinion a big strength in the Legion forces is the large tactical squads. They shoot much better than they assault, but they can hold their own.

Have the CCW dreadnought from my soon to be folded WE Legion. However, the arms are changeable, so I can switch in a Lascannon to bolster my anti-tank capabilities.

Spartans. Well, I have one already, again coming from my WE. I can think of no better vehicle to transport my marines, and using the IH ROW Head of the Gorgon gives my tanks and dedicated transports Outflank. I sort of like the idea of dumping in two large tactical blobs and support characters to get up close. In my opinion a big strength in the Legion forces is the large tactical squads. They shoot much better than they assault, but they can hold their own.

Ok i understand about being restricted to the model you own. But I'd still recommend a Deredeo, and Instead of Spartans, Have you though about Protues Landraiders? They only hold 10 guys, but x3 twinlinked Laccannons is still a good base of fire. And with the points you save, you could get another unit into your list. Just a idea I had, seeing as you don't really plan on assaulting as much as just being in your opponents face and rapid firing at him.