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If any Dakkanaut ask anything about our elections from native French fellow wargamers, ask away .

John Oliver did make a funny video about the elections.


Now I disagree with him on the comparison between Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump. Ms. Le Pen is a career politician that has been leading a well-established party for quite some time now. She had the Front National full support during the previous election, which she lost. This is quite different from Donald, a complete outsider with no experience in politics that somehow managed to have the full support of the Republican party for the first time. Therefore I don't think his analogy stand, and I'm pretty sure Ms. Le Pen is going to be beaten again. It is also the reason why, as much as it pains me to say anything positive about Ms. Le Pen, I think she would be much more competent than Donald if she was elected, which is not necessarily a good thing due to her opinions.

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So it's likely between Le Pen and Macron?

What's the story on Macron?

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Man, I was in tears at the end of the vid, from the laughing, that is.

Edit : Yeah, aside from the jokes, it's a fairly accurate of things too. Sure, he does take some short-cuts, and misses some bits, but there's nothing I felt was off-target there.

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It's a 4-way race now?

Four-Way Presidential Race Tests the Strength of French Democracy

Spoiler:
With populists Left and Right threatening to storm the Élysée, can the center hold?

Not so long ago, it appeared that ever-more-advanced polling techniques would soon render every election a snoozer: Models would tell us well in advance who would vote and how, taking drama out of the equation. Such was the case in 2012, when Nate Silver and his Five Thirty Eight team called every single state in the U.S. presidential election.

Not five years later, the idea that polling science could be perfected seems quaint. The comforting faith in polls gave way to the suspended disbelief of London elites as results came in from Sunderland on the long night last June when Brexit materialized, and to Silver’s own wildly shifting predictions the night Donald J. Trump won the White House in November.

Outcomes are once again in doubt, which means elections have been made fun again. This year’s French presidential campaign has never been boring. For starters, the primaries of both established parties — the storied Socialists and the Gaullist UMP, now somewhat oddly rebranded “Republicans” — led to the selection of extreme non-consensus candidates. On the right, the clean-cut Thatcherite François Fillon beat shoe-in centrist Alain Juppé and former president Nicolas Sarkozy. On the left, Benoît Hamon — a man who argues for the taxation of robots — beat sitting president François Hollande’s centered, centrist prime minister, Manuel Valls. Hamon and Fillon, as the standard-bearers for France’s two major parties, were supposed to be the biggest challengers to the woman who had led the race since polling first began in 2013: Marine Le Pen. After inheriting the Front National from her fascistic father, the younger, populist Le Pen has been busy “de-diabolizing” the party, moving it to the left economically while maintaining its extreme-right positions on Europe and immigration.

This direction became only more accented in the aftermath of Brexit and Trump, hence the accounts of Socialist strongholds now voting Front National. But Le Pen’s problem was the same one her father always faced: the second round of French elections is designed to prevent a fragmented field from leading to a populist victory by mandating that the winner takes more than 50 percent of the vote. With disapproval consistently over 50 percent, Le Pen loses badly in almost every conceivable scenario — “almost” being the operative word.

Although the Anglo-American press has been veritably Le Pen–obsessed, with outlets in Britain writing more articles on her than their Gallic peers, she has led not a single runoff poll in the whole campaign. She was projected to lose against Juppé and then Fillon when they led the polls, and now she is projected to lose to the election’s third man, Emmanuel Macron. Like Le Pen, Macron is running as an outsider, having left the Socialist party to form his own eponymous “movement,” EM. (His initials nominally stand for “En Marche!”)

Over the last four months, Macron’s campaign has gathered momentum as front-runner Fillon nose-dived in polls amid corruption allegations that tainted his wife, his children, his expensive suits, and his real-estate holdings.

Macron is running on a pro-European, anti-populist platform that calls for the French welfare state to be preserved even as pro-market economic reforms, including the loosening of France’s notoriously strict labor laws, are implemented. Though sometimes weak on foreign policy, he is very strong on the question of Europe, arguing clearly that the EU needs monetary reform rather than mere monetary accommodation to be sustainable, and calling for a serious conversation about deeper integration of European finances and defense (incidentally the two of the pillars of the early American republic). His best speech on these ideas was delivered, of all places, in Berlin. Without arguing for Fillon’s Thatcherite revolution, Macron promises a new take on “third way” supply-side reforms at a time when social democracy looks to be in decline everywhere else, from the United States to Britain, Spain, Greece, Germany, and even Italy.

Aggregate polling puts him in the second round, where he is predicted to beat the other likely candidates by a considerable margin. Over the last 40 years, second-round polls have tended to tighten, but never topple. And yet, after two long televised debates, a fourth man has risen over the last few weeks: Jean Luc Mélenchon, who is to the extreme left what Le Pen is to the extreme right — the Bernie Sanders to France’s wannabe Trump.

Not unlike Le Pen, Mélenchon and his upstart party, La France Insoumise (literally, “Unsubmissive France”), have made “la finance” and the elite the main enemy of their campaign. Given such rhetoric, it is rather unsurprising that his platform is about as realistic as Sanders’s: He calls for the immediate dismantling of the Gaullist Fifth Republic, to be replaced by a Sixth Republic “for the people”; a 100 percent tax rate on incomes over 20 times the median; the “freeing of France from finance”; and a unilateral withdrawal from NATO. His position on Europe is at best contradictory and at worst confused: He wants to change the charter of the European Central Bank to allow it to lend directly to member states and “leave current treaties” while still somehow preserving the European Union. One suspects, in other words, that Mélenchon would not fare quite as well as Macron in Berlin. The trouble is that he appears to be faring quite well in France. With an impressive online operation rivaled on the European left only by that of Italy’s savvy 5 Star Movement, Mélenchon has gone viral. He is now the preferred candidate of the 18–25 demographic, many of whom follow his weekly YouTube fireside chats and dial thousands of potential supporters daily in a gameified twist on the tedium of electioneering.

Though his rise has so far seemed to come mainly at the expense of the uninspiring Hamon, he is no longer all that far behind the front-runners. After Hollande’s disastrous experiment with a 75 percent marginal tax rate at the beginning of his presidency, the French elite has been losing sleep over Mélenchon’s proposed 100 percent tax rate. Of course, enraging the rich has only helped him with his base, and that is what his critics miss: The main threat represented by his ascendancy is political rather than financial, given his expressed admiration for left-wing Latin American populists such as Hugo Chávez and Evo Morales.

In the post-Marxist tradition of philosophers Ernesto Laclau and Chantal Mouffe, Chávez, Morales, and their ilk have tended to deem republican checks and balances incompatible with a “volonté generale” of the disenfranchised. This populist logic may have justified their work in behalf of the poor, but it also underpinned their authoritarian lust for power and the egregious corruption of their cliques. Mélenchon is so closely identified with Chavismo in the public imagination that he felt the need to clarify this week that he does not want to “make France into Cuba.” Yet, all protestations to the contrary, his lofty plans for a Sixth Republic “free from finance” and elites are eerily reminiscent of Chávez’s own illiberal “democratization” of Venezuela. It takes real gall to argue for Venezuelan-style socialism in France at the same time that Venezuela itself is collapsing amid food shortages and the gutting of its democratic institutions.

With less than a week to go, then, the atomized French presidential field has four plausible candidates: Le Pen, Fillon, Macron and Mélenchon. Although both Le Pen and Mélenchon would lack a legislative majority to implement their extreme platforms, there are now politically viable populists on both the extreme left and the extreme right. And their populism is worryingly popular, making this election a nail-biter to the bitter end. The so-called Republican pact — the age-old unspoken agreement whereby centrist parties band together to prevent the victory of a fascistic candidate, especially one with the surname Le Pen, in the run-off — can fend off one of them in the second round, but not both. —

-Pierpaolo Barbieri is executive director of the geopolitical macroeconomic advisory firm Greenmantle and a senior associate in the Applied History Project at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. He is working on a history of Latin American populism.

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So La Pen is like a competant Trump? That's pretty dam terrifying considering Trump's inability to enact policy is possibly the largest factor preventing the US from taking a steep slide downward. Good luck to you all, and I mean that honestly.

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 Stevefamine wrote:
Marine Le Pen!!! Marine Le Pen!!!


Thank you for that truly insightful commentary.


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 whembly wrote:
It's a 4-way race now?

5-way I would even say.
As far as I know, the candidates with reasonable chances to win a ticket for the second round include Marine Le Pen, François Fillion, Benoit Hamon, Emmanuel Macron and Jean-Luc Mélanchon.
This makes for a really interesting election. Some of those would normally never hold a chance in the second tour, but for instance if we get a second tour with Marine Le Pen (far-right) against Jean-Luc Mélenchon (far-left), the usual reservation won't hold ^^.
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So La Pen is like a competant Trump? That's pretty dam terrifying considering Trump's inability to enact policy is possibly the largest factor preventing the US from taking a steep slide downward. Good luck to you all, and I mean that honestly.

I wouldn't say that she is a competent Trump, because for me incompetence is part of what makes Trump what Trump is. Her main commonalities with Trump are being nationalistic, xenophobic, populist and socially conservative, but hey, that's something basically all extreme-right party shares. For instance, I am very sure that she doesn't believe in the various conspiracy theories from the unhinged fringe of her electorate, and she rarely ever openly perpetuates them. And she doesn't for her opinion on what she saw last evening on TV. And she is… actually able to speak like a grown-up adult, and stuff. And of course she isn't as sleazy as he is.
I still can't believe that adults could vote for Trump, while I guess not being drunk or on drugs.

Also, it's Le Pen, not La Pen. Just mentioning, because it's a typo I have seen several times ^^.

 Stevefamine wrote:
Marine Le Pen!!! Marine Le Pen!!!

Why the bold? Is it because you believe Marine Le Pen to be bold?
Did you know that Marine Le Pen's niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is the youngest member of the French parliament? Here is a picture for you so you can fanboy like a fanboy. I know you will.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Did you know that Marine Le Pen's niece Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is the youngest member of the French parliament? Here is a picture for you so you can fanboy like a fanboy. I know you will.



Not the type of post I'd expect from you, Hybrid.
   
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That's some eye-candy right there.

When's the first round of voting?

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Vigo. Spain.

So, basically, is Spain one of the the only occidental country where in this times of crisis, the populist movement that has rise is from the left and not from the right?

I asume it is because the right has been in charge the last 2 legislatures.

Hollande is from the "left", right?

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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Not the type of post I'd expect from you, Hybrid.

Why?
I find it weird but interesting how literally the only party to get a young woman elected is the far-right, socially conservative party. There are reasons that explain this (the party is kinda sorta a dynasty at this point, founded by Jean-Marie, lead by his daughter Marine, and with the future ready with his grand-daughter Marion), but it's still weird.
And in a quite saddening move, many opponents of the Front National (not politicians I mean, just regular folks) display a quite insane amount of misogyny when they attack Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, because they feel she is an “acceptable target”. Pretty sad, if you ask me.
As for the pictures, I knew they'd emerge at some point so we might as well be done with it now, right?
 whembly wrote:
That's some eye-candy right there.

Well, what do you think of Macron? He is not bad in that regard either, no? For me I think he's the best looking guy in the campaign.

I mean, they sure both look way better than Trump.
 whembly wrote:
When's the first round of voting?

This Sunday. I'm going back to my home town to vote!


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 Galas wrote:
So, basically, is Spain one of the the only occidental country where in this times of crisis, the populist movement that has rise is from the left and not from the right?

Compared to the previous elections, the far-left is definitely way stronger than it used to be. I think it's the only election where I feel like the far-left has a chance to go to the second tour.
The far-right has been strong for quite some time, but it isn't becoming stronger recently.

 Galas wrote:
Hollande is from the "left", right?

Yes, he is. And I think his policies not being really left-wing with regard to the economy and all is partly responsible for the rise of the far-left.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Not the type of post I'd expect from you, Hybrid.

Why?


You appear to be overtly socially progressive, especially in terms of how women are treated and represented in Western society, and yet you present the youngest member of French parliament to this forum as merely a piece of flesh to be ogled. It just doesn't sync with your usually posting style.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
As for the pictures, I knew they'd emerge at some point so we might as well be done with it now, right?
LOL okay.
   
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 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
and yet you present the youngest member of French parliament to this forum as merely a piece of flesh to be ogled.

I didn't meant to do that. I don't see her as a piece of flesh to be ogled.
Spoiler:
Okay, okay, I was trollbaiting just don't tell the mods please. I mean, I just wanted to get an interesting discussion started. They might be watching!

Also quite interestingly she got into an internal fight in the party over the issue of stuff like abortions with some older guy from the party called Florian Philippot over abortion. Unlike what one would expect when a young woman gets into a political fight with an older man, she was the one arguing against abortion.

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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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If anything, Marion is quite more blatently hardcore right-wing than Marine, who spent years trying to pretend the FN is a conventional, mainstream political party, with a fair amount of success, I might add. In that way, that makes her the more direct heir to her very rotten Vichyst grand-father.
As the grandson of a sefaradi decorated resistant and son of a slavic imigrant, I'd still totally hate-feth her like a Red Army armored corp storming a German town in '45*.

Decomplexed mysoginy aside, she's the attractive face of the National Front, literaly, and quite the hit with younger voters.

The consensus is that Macron and MLP will make it in the second turn, when people will go "feth no !" and massively vote for Macron. Still, I don't think it'll be the land slide that got Chirac re-elected in 2002, and the first-turn polls are closer than it's ever been, so... who knows.

Macron's most impressive trick so far, has been to make people forget he was instrumental in Hollande's economical policies. The very policies that got many people to relabel the "socialist party" liberal right**, and ended up with a record low popularity. Yeah.
That's going to be some interesting 5 years...

*. Interestingly, given Putin's authoritarian trends, Russia has become very popular with the extreme-right, and assorted "the nazis just had bad rep" crowd. Yeahhhhh.
**. It should be noted that, outside the US, "liberalism" is a label used for right-wing economy policies.

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 HudsonD wrote:
As the grandson of a sefaradi decorated resistant and son of a slavic imigrant, I'd still totally hate-feth her like a Red Army armored corp storming a German town in '45*.

I don't think threats of sexual violence are appropriate for Dakka. Or, you know, for literally anywhere.
(Spoilered for terrible, terrible pun, and a little bit NSFW. You have been warned)
Spoiler:
So maybe keep the thread about elections rather than about erections.

And I have Jew and Ukrainian ancestry too so you don't get to play that card .

Anyway, if Mrs Le Pen makes it to the second tour, then it will make deciding who to vote for a no-brainer, for me and most French people I guess. Though it would pain me greatly if that means having to vote for François despite his terrible policies and corruption.

Also, since Marine has been compared to Trump, I'd like to compare another candidate to Trump.

This guy, Philippe Poutou, is basically what some delusional Trump supporter believe Trump is. He is basically almost as inexperienced (though not necessarily as incompetent) as Trump is in governing matters (he has never been elected or hold any public office yet), but in his case I can see how it could work in his favor for some people.
Maybe you heard the rhetoric that Trump will “drain the swamp”, that he isn't part of the elites, that he is closer to the average American and that he will care more for them. Yeah, I know it's hard to decide whether to laugh or cry at these kind of statements.
Well, they basically are true for Philippe Poutou. This guy actually know what the daily life of a factory worker is… because he is a factory worker. The above picture was taken from a big televised debate with most candidates, and Philippe Poutou was the only one not to wear a suit. Because he doesn't have money to waste on it and because he doesn't give a damn about it. Also he doesn't have “friends” to “gift” him super-expensive suits. Or, you know, golden penthouses.
(Also he isn't a far-right douche)

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As a Russian, I can confirm that Marine le Pen will win. I have the election results right here. Oh wait...
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Wait, France has elections? When did Germany screw up and allow them to vote. Time to send more Germans tourists to march on the Champs Elysee and sneak in and take all the pool chairs before anyone else!


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ahhh, Frazzled, bringing in some good old United States of America into the thread by reminding us of their long tradition of preventing other countries to have elections . The CIA salutes you, Frazzled.



Everything went downhill after Le Emperor was forced out. Vive Le Boss!

I guess it all turned out for the best, then Frazzled would not have discovered the joys of Tex Mex.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
As a Russian, I can confirm that Marine le Pen will win. I have the election results right here. Oh wait...
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 Frazzled wrote:
Le Emperor was forced out.

L'Empereur.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Le Emperor was forced out.

L'Empereur.

Quiet you or we'll build more McDs there!
Back when my ancestors had to vacate for NO, it was 'boss."

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Hey now, the US is all in favor of democracy when it benefits us. Or at least the wealthy.

The left really needs to figure out how to weed out that misogyny that creeps out everytime the far right puts up a pretty face. It is one of the reasons the right loves to prop up attractive white women as a face. It appeals to their lowest common denominator, draws out hypocritical attacks from the left, and diffuses some of the inherent misogyny in right wing politics. Le Pen is even better than the typical face because she is smart and has advocated moderation on issues that can draw more mainstream support (her positions on same sex marriage, death penalty, and abortion would likely get her nixed by the US right, but her immigration stance would put her at odds with the left). She also has an excellent demeanor and can hold her own in a war of words, something that puts her miles ahead of the US president.

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 jmurph wrote:
The left really needs to figure out how to weed out that misogyny that creeps out everytime the far right puts up a pretty face. (...)


How do you mean ? I certainly won't disagree on the premise, although I wouldn't mind a more detailed explanation of that pattern.

For the latter part of your post, I assume you're talking about Marine, not Marion, who's not what I'd call a "pretty face", but yeah, her speeches have been pretty good, and under her leadership, the FN is gaining ground in voter blocks that would have been thought impossible previously, like teachers. In improvised talks though, her style is... a little less refined.

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So... a US guide to French Political candidates?

Macron - Hillary aged 39
Le Pen - Female Trump w/o gaffe and dumbassery
Filon - Mitch Romney w/o the overt religion??? (maybe more Ted Cruzy?)
Melechon - Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders hybrid?

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 whembly wrote:
So... a US guide to French Political candidates?

Macron - Hillary aged 39
Le Pen - Female Trump w/o gaffe and dumbassery
Filon - Mitch Romney w/o the overt religion??? (maybe more Ted Cruzy?)
Melechon - Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders hybrid?


More accurate that I expected. Melechon is interesting - reading up now on this


 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Not the type of post I'd expect from you, Hybrid.

Why?


You appear to be overtly socially progressive, especially in terms of how women are treated and represented in Western society, and yet you present the youngest member of French parliament to this forum as merely a piece of flesh to be ogled. It just doesn't sync with your usually posting style.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
As for the pictures, I knew they'd emerge at some point so we might as well be done with it now, right?
LOL okay.


You're right, thats a complete turn around from the hyper feminist stance he normally holds

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 whembly wrote:
So... a US guide to French Political candidates?

Macron - Hillary aged 39
Le Pen - Female Trump w/o gaffe and dumbassery
Filon - Mitch Romney w/o the overt religion??? (maybe more Ted Cruzy?)
Melechon - Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders hybrid?


Very helpful.

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 whembly wrote:
Filon - Mitch Romney w/o the overt religion??? (maybe more Ted Cruzy?)

Fillion is about as overtly religious as one can politically be in France. Which is way less than in the US, though.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Filon - Mitch Romney w/o the overt religion??? (maybe more Ted Cruzy?)

Fillion is about as overtly religious as one can politically be in France. Which is way less than in the US, though.

Okay... Mitt Romney it is. (who's Mormon but doesn't really go out of his way to say that he's a mormon).


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