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2017/04/20 16:58:49
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
I'm fairly familiar with the ideas of the characters ... but no thanks to this trailer, alas.
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..maybe ..?
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2017/04/20 19:58:35
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
They were street level characters, like Daredevil and Punisher, with one having the ability to turn light into weapons and the other could wield darkness to suck people, and things, into a dark dimension or something like that. In the comics the guy that can manipulate dark energy is just a floating cloak with a face for the most part. They also weren't teenagers.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2017/04/21 03:49:08
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
This isn't really the C&D that I had been hoping for. It's really "off", when street drug addiction is supposed to be a core concept, and would feed into the Jessica Jones / Power Man / Daredevil stuff really naturally.
Ahtman wrote: They were street level characters, like Daredevil and Punisher, with one having the ability to turn light into weapons and the other could wield darkness to suck people, and things, into a dark dimension or something like that. In the comics the guy that can manipulate dark energy is just a floating cloak with a face for the most part. They also weren't teenagers.
In the comics they certainly were teenagers, it was stated that Dagger was 16 when first shown and Cloak was maybe a year older or so. It was actually source of modest controversy since Spider-Man kinda had hots for Dagger.
Trailer gives impression that they are sticking pretty close to the origin story.
C&D were hugely popular in their initial run as Spider-Man recurring characters. However they are REALLY difficult to write well since much of their appeal is based on contrasts and contradictions. They were young and kinda naive, yet they were ruthless killers methods little different from Punisher. Spidey wanted to protect them (especially Dagger) yet couldn't accept their murderous ways. Dagger always wanted to become normal human, whereas Cloak didn't. Cloak was in love with Dagger, who only saw Cloak as a brother. And so on. It was hard for writers to avoid pitfalls of repeating the themes over and over again. Their own title quickly became a tiresome repetition. Most guest writers did not understand the characters and wrote them as lovers or something equally stupid.
What they probably should do is Spiderman vs Cloak & Dagger movie. This is where the duo would work well. Stand-alone, they are hard to write and their own series never had a good villain (except Father Delgado who was more of a support character).
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2017/04/21 13:14:59
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
Why was it a controversy? Spider started out in HS and I thought he was still in HS when they came about? Or was he in college and they joined up during Maximum Carnage? I'm a bit fuzzy on their introduction.
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2017/04/22 03:01:52
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
Backfire wrote: In the comics they certainly were teenagers, it was stated that Dagger was 16 when first shown and Cloak was maybe a year older or so.
Weird. Every comic I read that they were in, including a few C&D comics, they never came across as that young. Maybe the artists doing them have trouble making them not look mid-twenties.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2017/04/22 20:21:40
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
I dunno about this one.. don't know the characters at all, and it just seemed too teenagery to me, like they wanted the CW but CW said no because Arrow is DC
2017/04/22 21:42:15
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
Backfire wrote: In the comics they certainly were teenagers, it was stated that Dagger was 16 when first shown and Cloak was maybe a year older or so.
Weird. Every comic I read that they were in, including a few C&D comics, they never came across as that young. Maybe the artists doing them have trouble making them not look mid-twenties.
Well, that's a common problem with comics, hard to draw people's age. Also it's not like they lived common teenage lives. In fact they did not have civilian lives at all, something Spidey always chastised them for:
As for the trailer, it is clearly from the pilot which shows their life BEFORE they became Cloak & Dagger, and as such seems to be following pretty close to the comic.
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2017/04/22 22:27:11
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2018/03/20 20:06:56
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
I mean, this one has been explicitly pitched as a YA series, so yeah that's about what I was expecting, and it's unlikely it'll go within a hundred miles of the Netflixverse tone. Probably going to give it a miss unless it ends up with rave reviews.
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2018/03/20 20:37:40
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
Also "One will live, one will die." is basically the plot of Hancock.
Its almost like I don't even have to see it to know every major plot point because every teen drama is about as different as the songs on a Backstreet Boys album
Its almost like I don't even have to see it to know every major plot point because every teen drama is about as different as the songs on a Backstreet Boys album
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2018/03/22 05:03:52
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
Im fine with it. It will live or die by the actors. If cloak and dagger are well played and given a good plot it can be really enjoyable. If its another agents of shield it will be crap.
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2018/03/22 08:58:03
Subject: "Marvel's Cloak & Dagger" Official Trailer
I think it's just going to have to prove itself. The presentation is really generic and there's just so many cliches in the teen drama department. I'll watch it cause I liked Cloak and Dagger in the few comics I saw them in but I'm definitely skeptical that the utter trash pit of teenage adventure stories can be salvaged at this point.