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2017/04/22 13:07:15
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site ; UPDATE 28/04 Psychic Phase
The Psychic phase for the new Warhammer 40,000 has changed a fair bit.
Previously, each of your psykers would generate warp charge for your pool. This worked pretty well in most games, but in very psyker-heavy armies, it often meant that some psykers sat around not doing a whole bunch, while one or two mega-psykers (we’re looking at you, Magnus – you big warp charge hog) had all the fun.
In the new system, the Psychic phase has been re-worked from the ground up.
Each time you pick a psyker, you can cast as many spells as their datasheet states (which would previously be the same as their Mastery Level) and there’s a simpler, two-dice mechanic for casting, you just need to beat the warp charge value. The more potent the power, the harder it will be to cast.
Enemy psykers will then have a chance to block these powers if they are within 24″, and again, the mastery of the psyker will dictate how often they can block a power each turn.
The new system is much more scalable – meaning that the phase works well at any size of game, with any number of psykers running around.
Perils of the Warp is still there of course. It wouldn’t be Warhammer 40,000 without the chance of accidentally having your mind eaten by a Daemon and your soul sucked into the psychic oblivion of the Warp while your body exploded in a multifaceted explosion of etheric ichor…
Every faction will have its own psychic lore with a range of thematic powers. In addition, every psyker knows the Smite power:
Mortal Wounds are a new mechanic too – these cannot be saved by any means and punch straight through thick armour and even invulnerable saves! Ouch.
That’s the basics on the Psychic phase.
We’ll be back tomorrow with news on one of the updated war zones from the new Warhammer 40,000, and on Sunday, we’ll be looking at the Shooting phase.
UPDATE/RUMOUR 27/04/2017 (if someone can confirm reliability...)
Begin to hear rumors about the launch of 8th edition in the comments section Sergio gives specific dates:
" Warhammer 40k 8th enters preorder on June 3 goes on sale on June 17 , the box for two typical players of all editions will be Ultramarines (new rescaled ) vs death guard ."
I think Deathguard vs. Ultra is pretty much a given, and that those marines(or some of them) will be the Nultramarines (but I think rescaled isn't correct)
UPDATE 25-04-2017 (in b4 Alpharius )
KiloFiX wrote: Foley answered some more questions on twitter regarding 8th today:
No D weapons.
No shooting into or out of combat (unlike AoS).
Fixed to hit (like AoS, unlike SWA).
Has Strength vs Toughness to Wound (unlike AoS).
No random Initiative turn (unlike AoS).
Core rules are about 14 pages not including narrative, matched play, battle forged stuff.
UPDATE FROM THE LIVE STREAM ON 04-24-2017:
Latro_ wrote: 40k Live FAQ Summary as best i could do it!
- No more armour on vehicles. Vehicles have a damage table as they take damage (wounds) stats decrease, every vehicle has its own damage table. e.g. Bolters could hurt tanks.
- Specfically mentioned everyone can hurt everyone else owing to S and T in ref to vehicles.
- 14 force org charts in core rules, if you meet you generate command points one use only. re-roll dice, interupt chargers going first mentioned. Hints these force orgs tottally replace formations.
- Limited to 1cmd point perphase. Certain force orgs give you more or less points. Gives example of big brigate detachment which gives you 9 cms points.
- Codexes not going away, there will be books with their own army command points
- Templates going away confirmed!
- Every army gets rules day one. 5 books, rules for all armies split across these. (low price point mentioned, a lot less than a codex)
- Expansions will still be part of the game planet strike etc will be re-written
- 'Every unit playtestest a lot' after 'will riptides be nerfed' quetion. Mention of massive community playtesting in USA
- Annual rules updates like AoS generals handbook taking community feedback
- 40k rules will have free PDF digital + printed store copies
- No specific tournament rules but guidelines in matched play
- Top goals in dev: 1. game that worked for all three ways to play. 2. More balanced 3. More accessible
- Background focussed more Imperium vs Chaos, acknowledges chaos has slipped and want to bring that back to the main focus of the game
- Wont confirm a release date 'this year'
- Two points system 'Power level' narative play each unit has a general power level value. Full granular common points ssytem for matched play.
- All factions still in, new website missing ones is just a narative thing.
- There will be new factions (hinted at on launch)
- Big monsters will also loose stats like vehicles as they take damage
- Stats no longer capped at 10!
- Multiple damage e.g. wounds is in on weapons
- Matched play 1000pts to anything
- Allies still in works different though. Keywords system very specific on factions gives an example a marine with spec rules prob wont pass onto allies.
- Mentions close combat is viable.
- Background will move on but not radically change. Some on launch which will 'blow people away'
- Everyday from now on till launch will be a warhammer community article on new 40k - kinda hints its coming out sooner rather than later
- If you'v bought a book within 8 weeks of launch, you can email customer services and get a voucher for value of the book bought
Over the last few months, it’s been pretty clear that something has been coming – we’ve seen the Baal System threatened by the Tyranids, war erupting across the Damocles Gulf, a Daemon Primarch return in the Fenris System and most recently, the events of the Gathering Storm, in which worlds fell, gods were born and a Primarch rose from his 10,000 year slumber.
The new Warhammer 40,000 will see the continuation of these epic events – this is the universe you know and love, but the story of the galaxy is advancing. Be prepared for some major and exciting developments in the story of the Dark Millennium.
We’ve taken this chance to make some major improvements to the game, and we really think this is going to be the best edition yet. We’ve worked with the community to forge these new rules – so if you’ve sent in suggestions or gotten involved in the FAQ process on our Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page over the past year, then you have helped shape this new edition – so thanks to all of you for your input!
This is the game you know, but improved, faster, bloodier and better. The rules team have gone to great lengths to make sure that every unit, weapon, vehicle and character has its role – everything will be useful, and every miniature will have a place in your army.
We know you’ll have questions. Hopefully you’ll find a few answers here, in our FAQ on the new edition.
We’re not stopping there, though – we’ll be bringing you more news every day here on the Warhammer Community site.
But wait, there’s more.
To celebrate the upcoming new edition, and to introduce any of you who may be new to Warhammer 40,000, we’ve created an all new website. Go here to explore this grim dark setting and discover the factions that battle for supremacy in the far future (plus a few hints at what may be to come…).
I admit I hadn't looked at the video yet, it is rather weak all things considered... But hey, it looks like a new marine helmet in the pic, possibly nu-marines? The other half is Death Guard. I wonder what's in store for the boxed set when it comes out...
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anonymous @ best Warhammer Miniature wrote:i vote the choas dwarf lord as they are the greatest dwarfs n should get there own codex
2017/04/22 13:16:07
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Aye FAQ seems to confirm codex books are being replaced is some form.. I'm good with that though, free rules online almost certainly indicates some kind of AOS effect though.. which I am also happy with.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
2017/04/22 13:16:07
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'
So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then
"Good men mean well, we just don’t always end up doing well."
2017/04/22 13:17:01
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
**A few of you might be wondering how the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 affects Forge World’s Horus Heresy rules and army lists. Well, for the moment, it won’t! You can carry on using the existing Warhammer 40,000 ruleset for your Horus Heresy games.
Called it
2017/04/22 13:18:05
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
The New Edition of Warhammer 40,000 – Your
questions answered
A new edition of Warhammer 40,000 is on the way!
To many of you, this will be an awesome surprise. To others, an exciting confirmation of what
you already suspected. For all of you, we’re sure it heralds questions aplenty.
Here then is an FAQ* that answers a few of them. For more news and information over the
coming days and weeks, make sure you check out warhammer-community.com where we’ll be
running daily articles on all things Warhammer 40,000. There’ll be news, there’ll be rules
previews, there might even be some pictures of new models…
Is my army still valid? Yes, it certainly is! You’ll still be able to use your army in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000.
All current armies will be supported with new rules.
Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of
Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available
from the get go in handy, low-cost books.
Even Forge World models? Yes, even all of your Warhammer 40,000 Forge World models.
Wait, did you guys blow up the universe? Nope. This is very much still the Warhammer 40,000 setting you know and love. Now, that’s not
to say we won’t see the story advance - there’s some pretty epic stuff ahead! You can certainly
expect to see the story arcs that began in the recent Gathering Storm campaign books continue
to unfold with plenty of exciting developments to look forward to…
How can I get the rules? We’re going to make it easier than ever to get your hands on the rules and start playing.
The core rules for the game will be free, and you’ll have several options on how you get your
hands on the full rulebook. Watch this space for more.
Have you dumbed down 40K?
Not at all. We’ve made it easier for new people to enter and get to grips with the basics. At the
same time, we’ve made sure you can add as much depth and complexity as you like - there’s
some fantastic new gameplay elements coming. What we’ve done is reexamine every aspect of
the game, and made plenty of improvements, many based on the gaming community’s
feedback and suggestions. If you play today, this game is recognisably still Warhammer 40,000.
What happens to my codexes? The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n. If you do want to
pick any up, now’s the time - as all of the great hobby content and background information will
be as valid as ever.
What's in the new starter box? A new starter box? That’d be exciting! I guess we’d fill it with some awesome new miniatures…
(come on, we can’t spoil all the surprises for you!)
Are you getting rid of points? Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play - one of three ways to play
covered in the rulebook.
What do you mean “3 ways to play”? We realise that people like to play Warhammer 40,000 in different ways. 3 broad systems are
covered in the new edition: 1) Open play is the most flexible, and easiest to get started with,
allowing you to use any miniatures you like. 2) Narrative play is where you can refight the iconic
battles of the 41st Millennium, or create your own campaigns and sagas. 3) Matched play is
designed for more balanced and competitive games, ideal for gaming clubs, leagues and
tournaments. However you want to enjoy playing Warhammer 40,000, there will be rules for
that.
Why should I not just stick with current Warhammer 40,000? This is the version of Warhammer 40,000 you've been asking for. We've listened to your
feedback, and we really believe that this is the best Warhammer 40,000 has ever been.
Will the rules be updated annually (ala, the General's Handbook)? What a great idea! We've had such a fantastic response to our community-led approach with the
Warhammer Age of Sigmar rules updates that we're committed to doing the same for
Warhammer 40,000. You’ll be able to submit your questions and queries on the Warhammer
40,000 Facebook page and we'll make sure we continue to evolve the game as feedback rolls
in.
I haven’t played 40K in a while...
Welcome back! The new Warhammer 40,000 is easier to learn and quicker to play, but still has
all the tactical, strategic and narrative depth you could want from a game set in the incredibly
rich setting of the 41st Millennium. It’s going to be easier than ever to get started, and more fun
than ever to master.
Why should I trust you? Come on! This is New Games Workshop™
Seriously though, everything we're talking about now is just an extension of all the community
engagement work we've been doing over this last year and a half. We've learned a lot from you
guys and gals, and we've tried really hard to make sure everything you've asked for is included.
And if we've missed something? Drop us a line on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page and
let us know. We'll make sure your requests are given proper consideration.
Where can I find out more? We’ll be running daily articles on the run up to release on warhammer-community.com. Every
aspect of the new edition will be covered, from rules, to new miniatures and advancements in
the setting.
I love it. I want it. When can I have it!
Really soon. You’ll be playing the new Warhammer 40,000 this year.
We’ll let you know when we have more news on an exact release date. Stay posted.
For the latest news, follow us on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page, or subscribe to our
newsletter.
What do I do now? Now's the time to start getting your army ready.
With the addition of 3 ways to play, there are now more ways to build your collection than ever
before. Open play frees you from all constraints, so now's the time to just pick a model you've
always wanted and paint it up. For you narrative players, why not start theming your collection
around your favourite battle? Just like many of you, we want our armies to be fighting fit for
matched play in the new edition. That's why you'll be able to read daily articles on the
Warhammer Community site that will tell you all about the new rules, great units to include and
tactics for every army.
*The edition’s not even out and you guys have an FAQ - how times have changed!
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2017/04/22 13:18:49
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote: 'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'
So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then
which isnt a bad thing.
At the moment we have
A: Unbound, which is basically open play with points
B: Campaigns, which is campaign play with points
C: points play, which is non points play with points.
SO whats actually changing there, not much yet, we shall have to see.
2017/04/22 13:19:06
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
They did say that would probably be the case if the next edition was vastly different at the last horus heresy weekenender. Nice to have confirmation.
Also the AoS-route , especially the 3 styles of play, sounds good to me and an answer to a lotof the common complaints. Yes army building and rules clutter, I am looking at you
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2017/04/22 13:20:03
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Why should I trust you?
Come on! This is New Games Workshop™
Seriously though, everything we’re talking about now is just an extension of all the community engagement work we’ve been doing over this last year and a half. We’ve learned a lot from you guys and gals, and we’ve tried really hard to make sure everything you’ve asked for is included. And if we’ve missed something? Drop us a line on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page and let us know. We’ll make sure your requests are given proper consideration.
This does cheer me up, and I think also shows they do listen.
anonymous @ best Warhammer Miniature wrote:i vote the choas dwarf lord as they are the greatest dwarfs n should get there own codex
2017/04/22 13:21:26
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.
This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FWIA.... all kapoot
2017/04/22 13:21:50
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote: 'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'
So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then
which isnt a bad thing.
At the moment we have
A: Unbound, which is basically open play with points
B: Campaigns, which is campaign play with points
C: points play, which is non points play with points.
SO whats actually changing there, not much yet, we shall have to see.
Except that the old codex`s are no longer compatible with the new rules.
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2017/04/22 13:24:44
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Latro_ wrote: What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.
This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FWIA.... all kapoot
It's harsh but it was needed to stop the spiral of crappy rules-upon-rules to patch a system that was being crushed under its own weight.
2017/04/22 13:27:29
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote: 'Are you getting rid of points?
Not at all. There will be a full points system, for use in matched play – one of three ways to play covered in the rulebook.'
So, it's definately going down the Sigmar route? Ok then
which isnt a bad thing.
At the moment we have
A: Unbound, which is basically open play with points
B: Campaigns, which is campaign play with points
C: points play, which is non points play with points.
SO whats actually changing there, not much yet, we shall have to see.
Except that the old codex`s are no longer compatible with the new rules.
Utterly irrelevant, i still own the old books and have pdfs etc. if/when this new ED sucks, i will carry on regardless.
Look people, dont fall into the hyperbole and overreact, the same happens every ED, if you dont like it, dont play it and carry on with the current ED.
2017/04/22 13:28:01
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Latro_ wrote: What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.
This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FWIA.... all kapoot
But on the flipside... there is no need to purchase anymore codexes in future. No more £30 tax to use new models whenever your army is updated...
2017/04/22 13:30:19
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Latro_ wrote: What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.
This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FWIA.... all kapoot
But on the flipside... there is no need to purchase anymore codexes in future. No more £30 tax to use new models whenever your army is updated...
They say there's going to be new codexes, so I don't think that's right. Hopefully cheaper, but you never know
2017/04/22 13:31:05
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Latro_ wrote: What happens to my codexes?
'The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n'.
This one is gonna cause a bit of rage! every 40k book you'v bought, codexs supplements, FWIA.... all kapoot
It's a good thing I made sure to not buy any new 40k rule books for the past year and a bit in anticipation of this.
A bit surprised to see a whole new website though.
2017/04/22 13:31:35
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
I think that this could really go both ways. Either they go straight, following fan feedback, and continue to expand their worlds of gaming, this could be the best edition of 40k. Or, if they were to convolute, and start trying to milk money again, by making excessive troops with half-assed crappy bases, this could kill 40k. Either way, I am happy with how Rountree has lead the company (start collecting, Horus Heresy boxes, Blood Bowl, Armageddon), and I think that this will probably change for the better.
Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote: So, can we say that the rules are going to go the AoS route (set hit and wound characteristics)?
No because that would be a stupid leap off a cliff of anti-logic. What you can say for sure is the stuff we saw at adepticon and the stuff available in the FAQ here. Anything else is speculation or tinfoil-hattery depending on the level of crazy.
2017/04/22 13:32:52
Subject: Warhammer 40,000 new edition announced & new site
Thud wrote: The level of self-awareness in that FAQ is pretty impressive.
I'm quite optimistic.
Agreed - I enjoy getting new updates and emails from them these days even just to raise a smile.
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