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Suppose 8th hit and horus herecy and 40k finally parted ways. Would you be happy to play against 40k armies using their 7th codexes and does it matter if they where lower tier such as orks or inq ?

30k and 40k are parting ways for the time being it's in the new faq. 30k will remain in 7th edition while fw works on updating all the rules.

Only if it's consistent with the fluff. No Imperium or CSM army. Mostly Xenos (except Tau). Tyranids could pass as Megarachnids.

No, the poor people can drown in there sinking ship !!!

While I cry into a £100 note and say what a shame it is on the news

Orks, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Imperial Guard, Custodes, Imperial Knights, AdMech, Harlequinns and Daemons yes. Other factions? Not so much.

No, there's nothing stopping those people from continuing to play 40k 7th.

I bought a Horus Heresy Legion, to play games set in the Horus Heresy, against like minded people who put time into their armies.

I whoud rather see them do a 30k army I hope someday they make lists for orcs and eldar in 30k power levels (I don't know how well orcs work vs 30k but eldar are a lot stronger

Of course I'll play. Sadly, I don't live in the miracle land of rainbows and unicorns where every time I show up to game there is another 30K army waiting around to face me.

So, when the choice is play against the 40K army or don't play at all, I'll play (with the exception of avoiding those armies I would have no chance against, as that doesn't qualify as "play").

No

Not out of petulance but because 40k finally has the opportunity to be a game worth playing. I think people should give the new edition time to settle in, instead of trying to shoehorn themselves into the HH. Change in the game's structure has potential. For what its worth, we also have GW's assurance that the 40k setting isnt getting blown up; YMMV here given recent events.

Also, I do not believe that GW will permenantly allow FW to keep the Horus Heresy running on the 7th edition ruleset. It sends a mixed message as a company trying to move forwards. The current period is probably time allocated so that FW can learn the new rules and rewrite the red books.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
No

Not out of petulance but because 40k finally has the opportunity to be a game worth playing. I think people should give the new edition time to settle in, instead of trying to shoehorn themselves into the HH. Change in the game's structure has potential. For what its worth, we also have GW's assurance that the 40k setting isnt getting blown up; YMMV here given recent events.

Also, I do not believe that GW will permenantly allow FW to keep the Horus Heresy running on the 7th edition ruleset. It sends a mixed message as a company trying to move forwards. The current period is probably time allocated so that FW can learn the new rules and rewrite the red books.

This. 100% this.

Maybe, if only I knew what was horus herecy

I don't see why not. It wouldn't be fluffy, but it could still be fun as long as they're willing to back off on some of the stupid power creep of 7th and make it an interesting game. If someone just wants to keep playing their Eldar/psychic death star/whatever nonsense because 8th won't let them be overpowered anymore than forget it.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
Also, I do not believe that GW will permenantly allow FW to keep the Horus Heresy running on the 7th edition ruleset. It sends a mixed message as a company trying to move forwards. The current period is probably time allocated so that FW can learn the new rules and rewrite the red books.

I don't know, GW certainly has lots of independent rulesets in the 40k setting with all their various side games. They'd have to re-label it as something other than 40k 7th edition, but I could see the Horus Heresy game getting its own independent rules based heavily on 5th-7th edition 40k.

Yes, because games workshop has already had one horus heresy (or at least shortly after) era army briefly show up in 40k, namely the Necron kidnapped ultramarines in Fall of Cadia.

The Poll didn't really my response:

30K is 30K, not 40K with Forge World models. If a player wants to play against my Sons of Horus, then they should have a valid 30K army list. I'm playing 30K, not 40K. If they want to play their busted multiple formation, 500 extra free points, Superfriends Deathstar from multiple codexes... they can play someone else. Or 36 Eldar Scat-Bikes, or Tau-Dar Riptide Wing and Wraith Knights... yeah, those are all the reasons why I don't play 40K now. Just because GW made an edition change doesn't change my stance on playing 40K armies in 30K. If that means I don't play a game for a night, then so be it. I hate 40K 7th Edition and all the BS with it. I'll probably try 8th Ed, but if it's anything at all like the formation crap that breaks 7th ed, then I'll just keep playing 30K.

I dont know how 40k armies would fair without formations which 30k does not allow, two friends played imp fists 30k against 40k crimson fists and the 30k army won by a massive margin.

What's the point? I play 30k as much to avoid the rules bloat of 40k as I do to avoid the common 40k player mindset of patchwork army lists designed to cherry pick best units regardless of composition

This feels like a bait thread.

30k and 40k will not be parting ways in any shape or form, 30k will stick with 7th edition for a while because of necessity and because forgeworld will already be extremely busy sorting out all of the things they make for 40k. I cant imagine Angelus (i beleive this is the title of book 8) shipping as anything other than an 8th edition book.
Whatever 8th 40k is going to be you should give it a good go because soon enough you will be using those rules to play 30k, people like to get on their high horse and pretend that 30k is its own system but it isnt, its an expansion for 40k and always will be. It is however an expansion that i prefer to play over the base game, i dont expect that to change even when it switches to 8th.

There is a saying: When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

That being said, I'm jumping off the 40k and climbing into the 30k boat. Can't wait to put a mortgage on everything I own to pay for that sexy FW resin.

Yes , but only if certain things are agreed upon beforehand namely certain restrictions from 30k applied to 40k ( preferably) or 30k restrictionless system used for the 40k army.

I mean stuff like the lord of war 25%, limitations on formations/decurions/detachments to be discussed on a case by case basis, the scoring rules , etc.

So not your average quick1500-1850 pickup game I'm afraid.

Of course I would. As it is now where I live, there is such a small number of players, that it is basically required already or nobody would ever get games in. We just stipulate we follow the 30k listbuilding restrictions. It is surprisingly balanced.

 Tamwulf wrote:
The Poll didn't really my response:

30K is 30K, not 40K with Forge World models. If a player wants to play against my Sons of Horus, then they should have a valid 30K army list. I'm playing 30K, not 40K. If they want to play their busted multiple formation, 500 extra free points, Superfriends Deathstar from multiple codexes... they can play someone else. Or 36 Eldar Scat-Bikes, or Tau-Dar Riptide Wing and Wraith Knights... yeah, those are all the reasons why I don't play 40K now. Just because GW made an edition change doesn't change my stance on playing 40K armies in 30K. If that means I don't play a game for a night, then so be it. I hate 40K 7th Edition and all the BS with it. I'll probably try 8th Ed, but if it's anything at all like the formation crap that breaks 7th ed, then I'll just keep playing 30K.

My group is already having the problem of most of us not wanting 40k and 30k to mingle. With like, 3 people adamantly refusing to play 40k and demand we play against their 30k armies with the restriction of how 30k builds their armies.
None of us want to, but because the organizer is one of them, we have to, and have to play 30k missions too, and only our troops can score,
So, i will be more then happy if 30k isnt able to be played against 40k. and I say this as someone who dabbles and kinda likes 30k.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
No

Not out of petulance but because 40k finally has the opportunity to be a game worth playing. I think people should give the new edition time to settle in, instead of trying to shoehorn themselves into the HH. Change in the game's structure has potential. For what its worth, we also have GW's assurance that the 40k setting isnt getting blown up; YMMV here given recent events.

Also, I do not believe that GW will permenantly allow FW to keep the Horus Heresy running on the 7th edition ruleset. It sends a mixed message as a company trying to move forwards. The current period is probably time allocated so that FW can learn the new rules and rewrite the red books.

Not disagreeing that 8th needs a chance but you're not exactly doing 30k any favours by flat out refusing refugees.

I, 40k xeno player, wouldn't play against 30k armies, even if the 8th will suck.

I planned to start a 30k TS army, but with these news regarding 8th I'll keep it on hold until HH becomes 8th too.

But I don't mind playing for fun (proxying) at all against 40k armies (with players going back to 7th rules for that game). Only 1 other player is interested in 30k around here, and as we're not doing campaigns or anything, no point not playing against 40k as well.

Realistically, though, I might not play with it until HH updates to 8th...

You could make it work as long as force comp limits/restrictions are agreed to up front. I would want to significantly overhaul the allies matrix and eliminate formations

While I have played against 40k armies with my 30k list multiple times I think that if 40k players want to hang on to the mechanics of 7th and play us 30k players they need to let things like formations go and use the age of darkness FoC. I'm pretty far from a sterotypical 30k snob, but the power levels of the average 40k lost vs 30k list is way off. Hopefully the community sees this as an opportunity to make some Great Crusade era Xenia, ork, or eldar lists. Imperial players who want to play us with 7th should just bite the bullet and convert their armies to 30k (legions, imperialis Militia).

agurus1 wrote:
...Hopefully the community sees this as an opportunity to make some Great Crusade era Xenia, ork, or eldar lists...

1d4chan has an interesting start up at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k, I suspect there exist others already.