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Its here. All of your codecies, void. Gathering Storm books, void.

Wouldn't it be funny if they End Times 40k and then release Age of the Emperor, a sci-fi strategy game where ranks of futuristic warriors on square bases do battle all across the multiverse!?

 slk28850 wrote:
Its here. All of your codecies, void. Gathering Storm books, void.

Wouldn't it be funny if they End Times 40k and then release Age of the Emperor, a sci-fi strategy game where ranks of futuristic warriors on square bases do battle all across the multiverse!?

except there is one critical differance. they're NOT blowing up the setting. thats a huge important differance.

Just the value of your rules collection.

Hooray for whining without reading what is actually going on.

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

Thank god, out with the garbage.

 Luciferian wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

Thank god, out with the garbage.

Good, trash needs to be burned anyway. Bunch of heretic filth. People knew there was a new edition soon and bought crap anyway. No fault but your own.

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

Maybe he's the token guy who plays sisters of battle quite content that his last paper codex was written in third edition?

cause honestly all I've ever heard from players whose codex misses an edition is complaints.

This thread is full of point. Thank you for the enlightenment.

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

No I have not. I started in third edition so I missed the last time they did this.

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So like what happened in 6th edition with the introduction of hull points, melee weapon profiles, randomized charges and so forth, or 7th edition with new detachments, psychic phase, new allies chart, superheavies, etc.

This is the equivalent of saying the world is about to end because the sky is a different shade of blue today than it was yesterday.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So like what happened in 6th edition with the introduction of hull points, melee weapon profiles, randomized charges and so forth, or 7th edition with new detachments, psychic phase, new allies chart, superheavies, etc.

This is the equivalent of saying the world is about to end because the sky is a different shade of blue today than it was yesterday.

I would say it is more like comparing what they just recently did to WHFB to what they're doing to 40k. Maybe that is why it is felt more acutely this time around.

 slk28850 wrote:


I would say it is more like comparing what they just recently did to WHFB to what they're doing to 40k. Maybe that is why it is felt more acutely this time around.

Not a very apt comparison, because not only have they reversed many of the things that drew complaints for AoS and made it into something that is generally positively accepted now, a majority of people have been asking them to do more or less the same for 40k. Assuming that they'll use the birthing pains of AoS as a lesson instead of blindly repeating their mistakes, it's hard to imagine how 8th edition will be the same kind of disaster that AoS was at launch.

 slk28850 wrote:

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

No I have not. I started in third edition so I missed the last time they did this.

They did this -every- edition. As soon as the new ruleset was introduced, your previous one was invalid. Not every codex was immediately updated (and to be fair, many waited several editions for updates), but for each edition, the previous rules were immediately useless. FAQ's were generally required to make certain units playable under the new ruleset, and many times, those were a long time coming, so many units were rendered unplayable until the new FAQ updated them. I had several units of CSM that had to be rebuilt after edition changes & FAQ's because weapon options had changed.

This has happened before. Not on this scale, but face it - this was the only way to move forward.

This is pure speculation, but that map they put out today is pretty scary. There's a possibility they could be rolling out a slow-motion End Times, where they aren't going to be blowing up the universe now but maybe five years from now.

On the other hand, maybe things will be stuck again for the next thirty years. Or they are just using the warp storms splitting the galaxy in two as a plot reasn to creat multiple Imperiums. Maybe in a few years the war storms will subside and shrink back to their "normal" sizes and Chaos will be beat back into their usual hideouts, and then the different Imperiums will begin fighting eachother.

We really don't know what's going to happen, but I'm excited to find out. Whatever happens I hope they don't destroy the fluff for my favorite factions and that my existing models don't end up being difficult to use, but at the same time I don't want my exisitng collection to stand in the way of them putting out new cool things.

(I'm using "years" in terms of real life, not in-game time.)

 Luciferian wrote:


Thank god, out with the garbage.

as Tyranid player i agree. And i hope i can field a walking Hive Tyrant again. Or get a Carnifex into CC and actually kill something before he gets graved into the ground

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

No I have not. I started in third edition so I missed the last time they did this.

They did this -every- edition. As soon as the new ruleset was introduced, your previous one was invalid. Not every codex was immediately updated (and to be fair, many waited several editions for updates), but for each edition, the previous rules were immediately useless. FAQ's were generally required to make certain units playable under the new ruleset, and many times, those were a long time coming, so many units were rendered unplayable until the new FAQ updated them. I had several units of CSM that had to be rebuilt after edition changes & FAQ's because weapon options had changed.

This has happened before. Not on this scale, but face it - this was the only way to move forward.

They only did it when the 3rd edition was released. but from then on to this day you could play with your old edition codex in the new edition. Yes you had to play with an older codex or very old codex in the case of Dark Eldar but you could still use it. Since they said that they are going to release low cost books i am ok with it even though GSC is just half a year ago.

BrianDavion wrote:


except there is one critical differance. they're NOT blowing up the setting. thats a huge important differance.

not yet and not so fast, but they will do it and call it progress of the story

 kodos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


except there is one critical differance. they're NOT blowing up the setting. thats a huge important differance.

not yet and not so fast, but they will do it and call it progress of the story

So I take it you're in favor of the story being eternally stagnant and never advancing?

I wonder what they come up with story wise. Cuz we are in the last year of the 41 mellenia. Don't we? ^^ Is the emperor already dead like really dead?

nordsturmking wrote:
I wonder what they come up with story wise. Cuz we are in the last year of the 41 mellenia. Don't we? ^^ Is the emperor already dead like really dead?

I don't think he's really dead, but he's been nearly really dead this entire time. At the same time, Abaddon has been tickling the Imperium with joke after joke of utter military failure and various Xenos factions have been threatening to devour the galaxy, but only piddling around here and there at the fringes. For 10,000 years. Or, in our time, three decades. If they're going to advance the story, something big has to happen - it's the stakes they've raised.

 Luciferian wrote:

 kodos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


except there is one critical differance. they're NOT blowing up the setting. thats a huge important differance.

not yet and not so fast, but they will do it and call it progress of the story

So I take it you're in favor of the story being eternally stagnant and never advancing?

There is a difference between advancing the story, eternal stagnation and killing the setting
I liked the story progresses in fantasy endtimes first but the writing quality got worse with each book and the 40k books are not better
40k has a good setting that gets worse with each change and until now there is nothing that indicates that the story will be better

I have no problems with a 40k EndTimes that build up something unique instead of just the mix of 3 other SciFi Settings, as long as it is a good written story

nordsturmking wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:


Thank god, out with the garbage.

as Tyranid player i agree. And i hope i can field a walking Hive Tyrant again. Or get a Carnifex into CC and actually kill something before he gets graved into the ground

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

No I have not. I started in third edition so I missed the last time they did this.

They did this -every- edition. As soon as the new ruleset was introduced, your previous one was invalid. Not every codex was immediately updated (and to be fair, many waited several editions for updates), but for each edition, the previous rules were immediately useless. FAQ's were generally required to make certain units playable under the new ruleset, and many times, those were a long time coming, so many units were rendered unplayable until the new FAQ updated them. I had several units of CSM that had to be rebuilt after edition changes & FAQ's because weapon options had changed.

This has happened before. Not on this scale, but face it - this was the only way to move forward.

They only did it when the 3rd edition was released. but from then on to this day you could play with your old edition codex in the new edition. Yes you had to play with an older codex or very old codex in the case of Dark Eldar but you could still use it. Since they said that they are going to release low cost books i am ok with it even though GSC is just half a year ago.

Actually, not true.

If you joined in 3rd and kept playing, you'd know that a similar change occurred between 5th and 6th.
After all, how do you think a 5th Edition list would play now when they have no access to:
Psychic powers (no Mastery Levels for a 5th Ed list)
Vehicles (no Hull Points)
Flyers (no Flyer units)
Challenges (no Characters)
Allies, alternate Detachments or Formations (just the CAD up until 6th)

Not to mention Power Weapons now required new stats in 6th, Warlord Traits were added in as was picking a Warlord, a whole new phase into the game, and new missions, rules and objectives.
And didn't 4th Ed have Strategy Ratings? (Might have been 3rd). If so, they were unusable by 5th, because Strategy Rating became useless.

So no, this isn't the first time Codexes have been made useless. Why is this one different?

 Luciferian wrote:


I don't think he's really dead, but he's been nearly really dead this entire time. At the same time, Abaddon has been tickling the Imperium with joke after joke of utter military failure and various Xenos factions have been threatening to devour the galaxy, but only piddling around here and there at the fringes. For 10,000 years. Or, in our time, three decades. If they're going to advance the story, something big has to happen - it's the stakes they've raised.

Yes i think you are right. i like the setting 40k how it is. but now they almost have to advance the setting into so 42 mellennia. I think two things could happen the Emperor dies and gets replaced by Guilliman or he gets better health wise. To a point where were he was before he was wounded by Horus. but he loses his great psycic powers and is more like a Guilliman i kinda like the idea of him kick some chaos asses on the battlefield.

it will be stagnant for the coming five to ten years.

Then almost every army will converge on Holy Terra and start to fight the living excrements out of eachother, shaking the foundations of the world, again. Stuff dies, stuff lives, and Terra will be all that's left while Warp Storms devour the rest of the galaxy.
In one gigantic final battle all manner of things happen. The 'spirits' of the Necrons will inhabit the dead bodies of the fallen. Many Tau die, while some enter the jungles, and start to show ever more reptillian mutations. Tyranids will be destroyed except for a very rare few creatures who will be birthing the legends of 'dragons' and the likes. Eldar settle down on some atol, with the Dark Eldar settling west of that. The final, localized Warp Storm will settle at Earths north pole creating a home for the forces of Chaos and several of the few remaining Imperial Guard regiments will get their own area to settle and develop, forming separate nations based on their original homeworld culture and (far, far away Earthen) equivalents. Psychic powers become highly ritualized, so the common folk start calling it 'magic'. Technology will start to fail, bringing back medieval conditions.

For some reason, ancient Earth, Holy Terra, will become known as The Old World.

nordsturmking wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:


I don't think he's really dead, but he's been nearly really dead this entire time. At the same time, Abaddon has been tickling the Imperium with joke after joke of utter military failure and various Xenos factions have been threatening to devour the galaxy, but only piddling around here and there at the fringes. For 10,000 years. Or, in our time, three decades. If they're going to advance the story, something big has to happen - it's the stakes they've raised.

Yes i think you are right. i like the setting 40k how it is. but now they almost have to advance the setting into so 42 mellennia. I think two things could happen the Emperor dies and gets replaced by Guilliman or he gets better health wise. To a point where were he was before he was wounded by Horus. but he loses his great psycic powers and is more like a Guilliman i kinda like the idea of him kick some chaos asses on the battlefield.

I would be fine either way, to be honest. We'll have to wait and see because there's really no way of telling how it will play out at the moment - they have toyed with so many different ideas but haven't seen anything through as of yet. I'm kind of partial to the idea of the Emperor being resurrected into another body, or something happening with the Sensei, but those are two things that came up in previous editions and then were more or less forgotten completely.


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 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
it will be stagnant for the coming five to ten years.

Then almost every army will converge on Holy Terra and start to fight the living excrements out of eachother, shaking the foundations of the world, again. Stuff dies, stuff lives, and Terra will be all that's left while Warp Storms devour the rest of the galaxy.
In one gigantic final battle all manner of things happen. The 'spirits' of the Necrons will inhabit the dead bodies of the fallen. Many Tau die, while some enter the jungles, and start to show ever more reptillian mutations. Tyranids will be destroyed except for a very rare few creatures who will be birthing the legends of 'dragons' and the likes. Eldar settle down on some atol, with the Dark Eldar settling west of that. The final, localized Warp Storm will settle at Earths north pole creating a home for the forces of Chaos and several of the few remaining Imperial Guard regiments will get their own area to settle and develop, forming separate nations based on their original homeworld culture and (far, far away Earthen) equivalents. Psychic powers become highly ritualized, so the common folk start calling it 'magic'. Technology will start to fail, bringing back medieval conditions.

For some reason, ancient Earth, Holy Terra, will become known as The Old World.

Ah, you're giving 40k the old "Battlestar Galactica" I see

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

nordsturmking wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:


Thank god, out with the garbage.

as Tyranid player i agree. And i hope i can field a walking Hive Tyrant again. Or get a Carnifex into CC and actually kill something before he gets graved into the ground

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:

 Vryce wrote:

 slk28850 wrote:
Just the value of your rules collection.

So did you make this post at every edition change?

No I have not. I started in third edition so I missed the last time they did this.

They did this -every- edition. As soon as the new ruleset was introduced, your previous one was invalid. Not every codex was immediately updated (and to be fair, many waited several editions for updates), but for each edition, the previous rules were immediately useless. FAQ's were generally required to make certain units playable under the new ruleset, and many times, those were a long time coming, so many units were rendered unplayable until the new FAQ updated them. I had several units of CSM that had to be rebuilt after edition changes & FAQ's because weapon options had changed.

This has happened before. Not on this scale, but face it - this was the only way to move forward.

They only did it when the 3rd edition was released. but from then on to this day you could play with your old edition codex in the new edition. Yes you had to play with an older codex or very old codex in the case of Dark Eldar but you could still use it. Since they said that they are going to release low cost books i am ok with it even though GSC is just half a year ago.

Actually, not true.

If you joined in 3rd and kept playing, you'd know that a similar change occurred between 5th and 6th.
After all, how do you think a 5th Edition list would play now when they have no access to:
Psychic powers (no Mastery Levels for a 5th Ed list)
Vehicles (no Hull Points)
Flyers (no Flyer units)
Challenges (no Characters)
Allies, alternate Detachments or Formations (just the CAD up until 6th)

Not to mention Power Weapons now required new stats in 6th, Warlord Traits were added in as was picking a Warlord, a whole new phase into the game, and new missions, rules and objectives.
And didn't 4th Ed have Strategy Ratings? (Might have been 3rd). If so, they were unusable by 5th, because Strategy Rating became useless.

So no, this isn't the first time Codexes have been made useless. Why is this one different?

I didn’t say you could still use a 5th ed codex today. But i can't remember a time were i couldn’t use my codex and had to wait for the new one. And yes it was 3rd were we had Strategy Ratings i remember have a Rating of 1


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 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
it will be stagnant for the coming five to ten years.

Then almost every army will converge on Holy Terra and start to fight the living excrements out of eachother, shaking the foundations of the world, again. Stuff dies, stuff lives, and Terra will be all that's left while Warp Storms devour the rest of the galaxy.
In one gigantic final battle all manner of things happen. The 'spirits' of the Necrons will inhabit the dead bodies of the fallen. Many Tau die, while some enter the jungles, and start to show ever more reptillian mutations. Tyranids will be destroyed except for a very rare few creatures who will be birthing the legends of 'dragons' and the likes. Eldar settle down on some atol, with the Dark Eldar settling west of that. The final, localized Warp Storm will settle at Earths north pole creating a home for the forces of Chaos and several of the few remaining Imperial Guard regiments will get their own area to settle and develop, forming separate nations based on their original homeworld culture and (far, far away Earthen) equivalents. Psychic powers become highly ritualized, so the common folk start calling it 'magic'. Technology will start to fail, bringing back medieval conditions.

For some reason, ancient Earth, Holy Terra, will become known as The Old World.

Somehow i don't think that's gonna happen ^^ but i like your story telling

I'd rather they do this years ago. Having started in 5th, each edition changes is so significant that having a majority of books an edition behind for years is a terrible policy. Better to redo them all at once and then update and tweak as needed.

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
it will be stagnant for the coming five to ten years.

Then almost every army will converge on Holy Terra and start to fight the living excrements out of eachother, shaking the foundations of the world, again. Stuff dies, stuff lives, and Terra will be all that's left while Warp Storms devour the rest of the galaxy.
In one gigantic final battle all manner of things happen. The 'spirits' of the Necrons will inhabit the dead bodies of the fallen. Many Tau die, while some enter the jungles, and start to show ever more reptillian mutations. Tyranids will be destroyed except for a very rare few creatures who will be birthing the legends of 'dragons' and the likes. Eldar settle down on some atol, with the Dark Eldar settling west of that. The final, localized Warp Storm will settle at Earths north pole creating a home for the forces of Chaos and several of the few remaining Imperial Guard regiments will get their own area to settle and develop, forming separate nations based on their original homeworld culture and (far, far away Earthen) equivalents. Psychic powers become highly ritualized, so the common folk start calling it 'magic'. Technology will start to fail, bringing back medieval conditions.

For some reason, ancient Earth, Holy Terra, will become known as The Old World.

If you could fill one of these plots into a book I'd buy it to read. Top shelf stuff.

Luciferian wrote:Ah, you're giving 40k the old "Battlestar Galactica" I see

Not quite, see below.

nordsturmking wrote: Somehow i don't think that's gonna happen ^^ but i like your story telling

Not just mine alone.
Some twenty odd years ago, a debate started about the relationship between the Warhammer Fantasy Old World and the Warhammer 40K universe. People started noticing a lot of intricate details, for which they started to believe that Fantasy came after some cataclysmic event in 40K. All manner of 'facts' or even true facts were found. The most profound were things such as a Warrios of Chaos model from the old Citadel range, with a "Plasma Hand Mutation", which looked conspicuously like a plasma pistol grown into the wrist, or the fact that Slaanesh was born in the 40K timeline/universe, but always was present in the Fantasy setting from the appearent start. Also, looking at the map from the Old World, one could see both differences and similarities with Holy Terra. Araby (Arabia?), Kislev (Kiev?), Bretonnia (Bretagne?), Sylvania (Transylvania?), the Empire using the Guilder for currency (the previous Dutch currency before they adopted the european Euro in their finacial system). For all we knew, the subtle changes in the Old World's land masses as compared to Earth could be explained by massive orbital bombardments...

Also funny, once this got hold, nay-sayers started to appear. Sometimes they were friendly, simply stating we were overthinking it, at other times they simply wanted us to "stop spreading lies about stuff we don't know about".

At one time there actually was a compelling arguement about the Old World being somewhere within the Imperium of Man. It was a world near a Warp Storm (hence the north pole), where humanity had settled, and like some other worlds in the Imperium of Man had lost track of time and technology. At the same time aliens settlers discovered the world as well. People who might have had Squats or Eldar as ancestors, as well as Orks and a couple of other, minor species. That would be, why they already knew Slaanesh, the Slann, or why the old Chaos model had a plasma pistol instead of a hand. We never did get a fitting answer to the question why, if there is a Warp Storm portal over that world and the Warp nullifying the flow of time, the Old World never was invaded by anything other than medieval Chaos Warriors and their lackeys. What kept the full might of the World Eaters warbands from slaughtering everything in Kislev? Why didn't Plague Marines sack Marienburg? Was Sigmar actually one of the two lost Primarchs?

of course, the new lore in Age of Sigmar overtook that last little question.

Cheers.

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Not just mine alone.
Some twenty odd years ago, a debate started about the relationship between the Warhammer Fantasy Old World and the Warhammer 40K universe. People started noticing a lot of intricate details, for which they started to believe that Fantasy came after some cataclysmic event in 40K. All manner of 'facts' or even true facts were found. The most profound were things such as a Warrios of Chaos model from the old Citadel range, with a "Plasma Hand Mutation", which looked conspicuously like a plasma pistol grown into the wrist, or the fact that Slaanesh was born in the 40K timeline/universe, but always was present in the Fantasy setting from the appearent start. Also, looking at the map from the Old World, one could see both differences and similarities with Holy Terra. Araby (Arabia?), Kislev (Kiev?), Bretonnia (Bretagne?), Sylvania (Transylvania?), the Empire using the Guilder for currency (the previous Dutch currency before they adopted the european Euro in their finacial system). For all we knew, the subtle changes in the Old World's land masses as compared to Earth could be explained by massive orbital bombardments...

Also funny, once this got hold, nay-sayers started to appear. Sometimes they were friendly, simply stating we were overthinking it, at other times they simply wanted us to "stop spreading lies about stuff we don't know about".

At one time there actually was a compelling arguement about the Old World being somewhere within the Imperium of Man. It was a world near a Warp Storm (hence the north pole), where humanity had settled, and like some other worlds in the Imperium of Man had lost track of time and technology. At the same time aliens settlers discovered the world as well. People who might have had Squats or Eldar as ancestors, as well as Orks and a couple of other, minor species. That would be, why they already knew Slaanesh, the Slann, or why the old Chaos model had a plasma pistol instead of a hand. We never did get a fitting answer to the question why, if there is a Warp Storm portal over that world and the Warp nullifying the flow of time, the Old World never was invaded by anything other than medieval Chaos Warriors and their lackeys. What kept the full might of the World Eaters warbands from slaughtering everything in Kislev? Why didn't Plague Marines sack Marienburg? Was Sigmar actually one of the two lost Primarchs?

of course, the new lore in Age of Sigmar overtook that last little question.

Cheers.

The one I liked, was that the Old World was settled by the various factions after the Old Ones Warred with the C'tan.. but before the Birth of Slaanesh.. there was an active webway portal on the North Pole, which with the Brith of Slaanesh and creation of the Eye of Terror, caused that portal to collapse seeping the warp onto the world and creating the Chaos Wastes. the High Elves (exodite Eldar) managed to activate Old Ones technology to keep the flow of warp in check.

Of course somehow everyone 'forgot' their technology and regressed into their feudal kingdoms