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Greetings; we have a 1500 point tournament coming up this coming Saturday the 29th. It's 1500 points, the last tournament of 7th edition, and that reason is to help pull in new players as well as regulate, to an extent, the 'harsher' units out there that can be seen at 1850 points. As for myself I will be bringing Chaos Daemons which is my main faction when I play competitively. I typically score in the Top 4 of an average of 14 players give or take a few, but there are a few players that always give me a bit of trouble.

To paint a picture of the local meta it's actually fairly varied; Eldar with Warp Hunters, Scatbikes and an assortment of other flavor, one of few Eldar players playing Corsairs from FW; Deathwatch with allied Skyhammer Grav and Multi-Meltas Devastators; Imperium super-friends list with Cawl, Celestine, Draigo, 3x Rune Priests and 4x Centurions in one squad; and Genestealer Cult

I will put two lists below that are a little different from each other. The first will be what I've been experimenting with; I've tabled 3 opponents with it and edged out a win against Genestealer Cult with it. Anyway, that one will be first and followed by a revised list. Each list will have my thoughts behind it following them.


List 1: Daemonic Incursion Khorne Kennel List

The Murderhorde consisting of 8x units of 5-man Flesh Hound squads has been a very solid Core choice for me. That has stayed the same, but I've changed the rest of the points around since I couldn't find anything else that stayed.


Khorne Herald
Lesser Reward
Greater Reward
Juggernaut
Locus of Wrath
Ar'gath

5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds

Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury
Lesser Reward
2x Greater Rewards
Skullreaver

Bloodthirster of Insenate Rage
Lesser Reward
2x Greater Rewards
Armor of Scorn


Thoughts:This is the list I tabled 3 opponents with ((One being Orks and I've NEVER tabled them, and he even had Ghazzy's council which I wiped off as well)) and edged out an win against Genestealer Cult with ((He summoned in 800 points worth of Neophytes and some Acolytes...)) with an ITC score of 10-9, my closest game yet. I had the 2 Bloodthirsters left. Anyway; it's VERY killy and haven't really found anything that can reliably focus down the Khorne dogs AND the Bloodthirsters at the same time. Dogs can't be ignored, especially with a beefed up Herald in one squad. On top of this they're very fast and I normally can charge whatever I want to charge on turn 2. Dogs tie up shooty units and the Bloodthirsters come in and deal with dedicated CC units they struggle with. From there it is generally mopping up the survivors. Genestealer Cult messes with my usual synergy of moving up after corrupting all the Objectives, which is a nice counter to my usual tactics, but I adjust to it when it comes up.

With one definite D-Thirster and the other that can throw in a few D hits I find that there is practically nothing I need to worry about. Draigo might give me some hesitance, but I can work around it. Some for Guilliman, although I know I won't see him in the tournament.

Now. After fighting the Genestealer Cult I saw that I needed ranged support. He killed everything but my 2 Bloodthirsters and we were playing Scouring; he got all the objectives since I couldn't cover them all or push him off since I couldn't shoot, which a Lord of Change or any Tzeentch unit would have been awesome to blow the squishy Neophytes off the objectives that were sitting out in the open. With that in mind I revised the list to help add in some Dakka.


List 2: Khorne Kennel w/Fatey


Khorne Herald
Lesser Reward
Greater Reward
Juggernaut
Locus of Wrath
Ar'gath

7x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds

Fateweaver

Bloodthirster of Insenate Rage
Lesser Reward
2x Greater Rewards
Armor of Scorn


Thoughts: I tried to see if I could do without any shooting. The local meta has kind of shifted to CC style armies lately, but I was shown, mainly by the GC game I had, that shooting could make or break a game for me. While my hounds could get across the board quick enough he blocked my path and tied me up in CC so I couldn't assault his Manticore and Wyverns, which tore up my dogs. With Fatey I can blast apart the squishy GC guys and take shots at vehicles; any infantry or vehicles, really. Summon in Chariots, etc. I need that extra utility if I need it and Fatey supports me in other ways as well. I don't think I NEED another Bloodthirster, the D-Thirster should be good enough. If I had Fatey in the GC game I could have went 24" up ((We had Hammer and Anvil setup, so he kinda lucked out there too)) and shot at the Manticore/Wyverns squishy SA 10 and threw other dakka at them. I think he would be much more valuable support when I'm facing armor or other shooty things that he can knock out for me. He definitely would have been useful against the GC today instead of a second Bloodthirster.

By doing that I beefed up a 5x hound unit to 7x which the Herald will go with for extra bodies. Same tactic except I have Fatey to support me for annoying shooting units and summoning in things when needed. I thought about changing the Herald out to have the Grimoire to buff his retinue of Dogs or to throw it on Fatey or the D-Thirster if I need to, but not sure if it's worth making him 'eh' for.

I thought of bringing the Oracles formation and switch out the two bloodthirsters for Fatey and a LoC; the formation benefits are nice and that's a pretty decent Psychic/shooting support. However, if someone brings Sisters of Silence that will shut me down and they'd be useless; I think Fatey and a Bloodthirster is a nice medium even though the Oracles formation is tempting. Tough Deathstars are kind of making a comeback around here and the D-Thirster is anti-Deathstar. I could tie up the Ghazzy Council Deathstar with a Robe LoC, but Celestine and friends can always hit and run.

Let me know what you think! Appreciate the input.

I run a very similar list that I have had a lot of success with, it has two differences to yours:
1. I run the Crimson Crown instead of Ar'gath on my Herald because 160 S5 hatred attacks wasn't enough
2. I run Karanak as my Auxilery for my Daemonic incursion (something you are lacking in both lists) this lets me benefit from corrupting objectives and warpstorm manipulation, also his rage put in the squad with the Herald just makes them even more of a butcher.

Ar'gath vs the Crimson Crown is very much up to taste, tbh you don't really need more attacks, but I would strongly suggest taking Karanak as an Aux. As for Oracles vs Bloodthirsters, Oracles are almost always better: Faity really helps in tight situations and a LoC can hit harder than Bloodthirsters and can be much tougher (2++ re-rollable).

 mrhappyface wrote:
I run a very similar list that I have had a lot of success with, it has two differences to yours:
1. I run the Crimson Crown instead of Ar'gath on my Herald because 160 S5 hatred attacks wasn't enough
2. I run Karanak as my Auxilery for my Daemonic incursion (something you are lacking in both lists) this lets me benefit from corrupting objectives and warpstorm manipulation, also his rage put in the squad with the Herald just makes them even more of a butcher.

Ar'gath vs the Crimson Crown is very much up to taste, tbh you don't really need more attacks, but I would strongly suggest taking Karanak as an Aux. As for Oracles vs Bloodthirsters, Oracles are almost always better: Faity really helps in tight situations and a LoC can hit harder than Bloodthirsters and can be much tougher (2++ re-rollable).

Ar'gath is a cheap way of making the Herald S6 as well as letting him hit on a 2 re-rollable since he has the Hatred locus. He also has a Lesser Reward so I have an AP2 weapon if needed, which is mostly only for IC and whatnot. Like you aforementioned, though, that's just up to taste.

Huh. Did not notice that, good thing I've never taken the list to a tournament; minimum Fury unit will easily suffice, I have 60 extra points leftover with Fateweaver list. While I have run Karanak with a Crusherstar and a Herald thrown in (Very nasty with 6 re-rolling S6 attacks each on each Bloodcrusher) it's mostly due to tastes and what I typically find myself fighting. For Auxiliary I'll stick with 5x man Fury squad for minimum tax.

Doing the Oracles formation will free up even more points for me. With the thoughts above I've changed it to:


Khorne Herald
Lesser Reward
Greater Reward
Juggernaut
Ar'gath

8x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds

5x Furies

Omniscient Oracles:

Fateweaver

Lord of Change
ML 3
Lesser Reward
Greater Rewards
Impossible Robe


The D-Thirster is always awesome, but for melee beatsticks I can simply tie them up with the LoC in the case of Deathstars. Very little things can get through 2++ re-rollable. A LoC IS more of a beatstick except in the case of the D-Thirster, because 8 Destroyer hits is better than practically anything I've seen in the game so far being wielded by a Bloodthirster, no less. Given I normally throw all 3 dice at Malefic he can still summon stuff in and whatnot while stuck in combat.

But you only get the one locus right?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
But you only get the one locus right?

Yes, and the Hatred one is best.

i ran a list with Kairos+BT and i won 2 tournaments on a row, i m unsure if you really need LOC, but i agree it can be perhaps more durable than BT.
Btw i m unsure in a higly competitive enviroment if right now this list it's the best choice. I played it in medium level tournaments never tried in tournaments like for example adepticon or like that.

this is a list maybe i will bring at next tournament

muerderhorde
kairos
6 hounds
7x5 hounds
k herald, juggernaut, locus of wrath lesseer reward
5 furies

renegade knight
thermal cannon
reaper chainsword
the knight is armed like that just because main problem with this list are heavy armored veichles so i prefer use thermal, couple of gatling sound nice but guess i have enough attacks to wipe out light armored troops/veichles, i should try both versions but then i dont have point enough.