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After reading the new information on charge distances still being random without regard for the new movement stat, and with numarines being a new super-faction, I have gone from excited to dread about the new edition of 40k and am wondering if anyone else is on a similar roller coaster. As someone who was really looking forward to this new edition as an excuse to give 40k a bigger chunk of my free time, and maybe GW a bit more of my money (that is not much but still...), I will have to answer this poll a solid "no" at this point and am sad about it.

To foreshadow Vaktathi's image from his comment below - 'turd in the punchbowl' -
Who is still EXCITED to drink this punch?

Rules look way better thus far than 7E, but given how atrocious 7E plays, not sure how much that says. Either way, rules wise, we're looking better.

NuMarines sound stupid and, in classic GW style, may be the turd in the punch bowl they always seem to have to go out of their way to include.

They're still fixing up a lot of stuff, just because they kept some stuff similar isn't the end of the world. Considering there will be regular updates, how about we play it for a while and see how it goes - if it's really truly too horrible, it can be changed.

Rules better probably for the most part, but story and setting getting more meh. New marines just no !

I'm definitely concerned about how lame the Numarines are going to be, but overall I'm still excited. Like Vaktathi said, the rules are looking much better and some of the changes to the GW business model are very welcome indeed.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Rules look way better thus far than 7E, but given how atrocious 7E plays, not sure how much that says. Either way, rules wise, we're looking better.

NuMarines sound stupid and, in classic GW style, may be the turd in the punch bowl they always seem to have to go out of their way to include.

This sums up my thoughts exactly.

All they had to do was copy/paste most of the ruleset for AoS and be done with it, and we would have had a fantastic game already. Instead they're just adding a bunch of crap for what feels to be just the sake of it.

As for NuMarines, all they had to do was release some new kits and call it a day. I appreciate a move to a more correct scale, but having to fluff them in, especially with GW's track record for just being horrible with their own fluff, means the result is bound to be cringe-worthy at best.

I'm still excited. I still have access to all the old lore even if I decided I don't like the new stuff (generally I just find lore interesting, and the new stuff is not outside my realm of belief for the 40k universe). It'd be fairly hard to stop me being excited for a simplified system. I also think it's way to early to be making judgements though.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Rules look way better thus far than 7E, but given how atrocious 7E plays, not sure how much that says. Either way, rules wise, we're looking better.

NuMarines sound stupid and, in classic GW style, may be the turd in the punch bowl they always seem to have to go out of their way to include.

Agreed, still I feel like Charlie Brown to GW's Lucy, just waiting for her to pull the ball away as soon as I commit...


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 troa wrote:
I'm still excited. I still have access to all the old lore even if I decided I don't like the new stuff (generally I just find lore interesting, and the new stuff is not outside my realm of belief for the 40k universe). It'd be fairly hard to stop me being excited for a simplified system. I also think it's way to early to be making judgements though.

This poll is more about feelings then hardcore irreversible judgements. Just trying to get a handle on how everyone out there is taking the news.

While I've enjoyed 7th edition games with friends playing the Malestrom missions, the game is way over-bloated and needs to go on a serious rules diet.

IMO, 7th has been the worst edition to play competitively. However, I really like most of what I'm seeing for 8th.

 Wolflord Patrick wrote:
While I've enjoyed 7th edition games with friends playing the Malestrom missions, the game is way over-bloated and needs to go on a serious rules diet.

IMO, 7th has been the worst edition to play competitively. However, I really like most of what I'm seeing for 8th.

Agreed, but should we be 'excited' for 'better than bad'?
I am just wondering who is excited to buy into new flaws...
To return to the image above, 'turd in the punchbowl' -
Who is still excited to drink this punch?

5th Edition took away my Berserker's rhino ride and made them unable to assault out of it. It also introduced the heinously broken SM factions in the form of Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Grey Knights. It also completely destroyed the old fluff of the Necrons.

6th Edition introduced proper flyer rules, random charge distances, overwatch, armies with more than one detachment being the norm, and kicked CSM in the nuts thrice over by giving us the ridiculous cheese that is the Heldrake while nerfing everything else besides plague marines into oblivion. It also introduced the infamous Riptide and Wave Serpent spam lists

7th edition took away any semblance of balance with summoning daemons, no set FoC, Gargantuan creatures, D-strength everywhere, free junk, and ridiculously overpowered models for their point costs. They also made a bunch of armies heavily reliant on Allies (Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, and so forth) to be viable.

8th edition has....just buffed Overwatch and introduced a possible replacement for the Custodes? In the grand scheme of things, the last three editions managed to kick more sand into my face than this one did, and this one is shaking up the most, so I'm still fairly excited.

I have some reservations, but overall I'm excited. It helps that I've gotten older and have less time to play, so a simplified ruleset with faster play time is a godsend for me.

I am very much excited for 40K's new edition. I haven't enjoyed playing 40K lately, outside of special narrative and campaign stuff that some of the local players have cooked up. Anything done to trim out the bloat of the formations, supplements, FAQs, etc, is a good thing. I want to be able to have a good game with my army book and rulebook as the only needed publications for a game again.

I'm so exciiiiiited.

where's the "not sure" option?

 Nosferatu71 wrote:
I have some reservations, but overall I'm excited. It helps that I've gotten older and have less time to play, so a simplified ruleset with faster play time is a godsend for me.

qft

Pretty sure they're setting up another founding. I would imagine these new humans won't be average soldiers, but almost like a new generation of sub-primarchs. My guess anyway.

And as far as the rules and stuff go - i'm excited, the game could play faster, and getting rid of a lot of rules bloat will really help.

For all we know Guilliman is using the Emperor's genetic material to create these new humans.

You have no Idea how excited I am. A full Tabula Rasa was what we needed and it's happening.

Don't lump the stupid marines with everything else

I play a buttload of armies, four of which are pretty much poop in the current meta, and two of the others get hissing, ritual cross drawings cries of "CHEESE!" when I try to play them. Something to shore that up a little would be much appreciated.

I'm optimistic still, but at this point, almost anything would be an improvement. Even saying "toss out all of 7e, just play 6e" would be an improvement, and 6e was fraught with trouble.

So, in short, cautious optimism is the word of the day.

As for NuMarines, we'll see how they stink it up, if in fact they do. Best bet is they're gonna be some kind of super-elite unit - GW would not be so stupid as to slow-squat their ultimate cash cow army just to push this thing that nobody asked for, so it'll fit in with existing Marines.

It is almost like SWA / Necromunda reminded them of some rules of the past and they got a good dusting off.
Anything for ease of play or at least more intuitive rules, less random, more choice would get my support and it is looking rather optimistic.
Borrowing a bit from how Bolt Action handles things was really nice to see.
Getting away from I-go, you-go your entire army is a happy thing all by itself.

As for the Uber-marines, they will probably be made into everything a terminator was supposed to be.
Yet another unasked-for competitor for the abused Terminator.
Can we have a campaign "Make Terminators great again" other than the Skynet kind?

Yes. The main thing I don't like is the MarineMarines, a.k.a. NuMarines, a concept for me which takes Marines even further away from likability. But not being a Marine player, I can generally safely ignore them. So it all sounds really good to me.

It's something we've seen before. FW does something cool and gourmet that's well received... and then GW goes all McDonalds and turns it into the new norm.

I'm hoping it's not a new faction

Legion Marine models are already bigger than 40k, so bringing back heresy tech and big marines works. A T5 S5 marine elite slot that comes with hover bikes, some of the "lost" vehicle variants (land raiders, whirlwinds, rhinos, rapier artillery, etc) would be neat.

Shoving the chapters aside for a new Terran Legion would be horrible

I'm really excited for playing with my soon to be stunted Dark Angels Armie in comparasion with the new Numarines.

I will rename then as Space Gobbos

And I expect a nerf to Riptide and Stormsurge and a buff to my beloved Vespids so I can play my Tau as I want without feeling as a stupid player for picking the things that I Like but are useless.

Yep, still looking forward to it.

problem is... who trust gw still, after the disaster they did with 7th? i m not one who trust them, gw is always highly capable to destroy anything they touch...

Jacksmiles wrote:
They're still fixing up a lot of stuff, just because they kept some stuff similar isn't the end of the world. Considering there will be regular updates, how about we play it for a while and see how it goes - if it's really truly too horrible, it can be changed.

agreed. they can al;ways change charges if it turns out to not work

There is already a precedent for having tougher Space Marines in the galaxy, just not in the regular Chapters as we know them. As for what was recently teased, my guess is the "Numarines" are either a) mass-produced Custodes, or b) reintroduced Thunder Warriors.

Mass-prodecing the Custodes might lessen the impact of having Custodes models, but they are already tougher and bigger and stronger than standard Astartes. Aren't there rumors that they are already being enhanced with the Emperor's own gene-seed? Plus, these "Numarines" might not even be as effective as a Custodes, so they would each have some relevancy.

Personally, I hope for a reintroduced Thunder Warriors, with the same potential for them being crazed berserkers that have to be put down after so much time. It would, to me, be fitting for Guilliman to make the same mistakes as the Emperor without meaning to, and having Thunder Warriors brought back might be a neat way to have some subtle (or not-so-subtle) call backs to the original unification of the galaxy. If it's anything that we can learn from humans throughout history, it is that things will get repeated.

I never really gave a gak about the fluff and I DEFINITELY don't give a gak about space marine fluff(they're just gakky stormcasts imo). So I'm immune to all that.

The rules however I care about quite a bit and they look awesome so far.

As someone who's never played proper 40K, I'm interested in the price drops and new rules. I'm betting it'll be a starting point for new players like myself.

New marines, I'd like to see more about them. But bigger means more detail. We'll see.

I'm more concerned about the implied gutting of the armies like IG with the removal of templates. sounds like there will now be only one IG army: infantry swarm