Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

So from what I've read on here, apparently the new marines are exactly that - a new type of 'super' marine with a new genecode. Now considering current Marines begin the implant stage ideally at 10-12 years and finish it at around 18 years old, that would suggest it takes 6-8 years to create a marine before any of the rigorous training (that we must assume takes years to achieve super human status). So lets say 10 years (being generous) to have a fully trained combat ready marine.
Guilliman is however creating even more advanced versions, which one would assume would take just as long, if not longer to create. Even if they are vat grown that will still take a good while, then followed by years of training.

The thing is Guilliman needs them NOW. To top that off, GW are releasing them with 8th but have only advanced the story by a few months, maybe a year, through the Gathering storm series. So are the NuMarines going to suddenly appear out of nowhere, is Abaddon going to consolidate for a few years whilst Guilliman builds up his new forces so the NuMarines are ready for the setting... Or is there going to be some other explanation, such as how Corax was granted a way to speed up the process for normal Marines (look how that ended up - and there are still plenty of Alpha Legion around to do it again)?

Maybe GW will stop using dates for the events, thus letting us in doubt, and avoiding the need to officially go to 42k

Unless it's a process that is much closer to how the Primarchs were created. They were created with a lot of the knowledge of war craft already ingrained in their being. They just knew a lot of the shizzle. I think they were fed a lot of it whilst they were gestating in their tanks.

Not really a fan of this new idea myself as doesn't it make the old marines redundant in a way. Will have to wait for the fluff before I pass final judgement

the GS series may have advanced it maybe a year but we have no idea what 8th is gonna be, for all we know 8th starts off with "a century ago Cadia fell..." that said, you're assuming it would take that long, during the great crusade it was MUCH quicker to raise space marines. honestly I hope these new marines aren't quick grown in tanks. the space marines recruiting methods that resulted in chapters with differant cultures was a biiig part of what made space marines intreasting

Well in the past to shoe horn in new crap like the mini flyers and centurions they just retconned and said - nope always been there.

They might just say that the program has been underway for a millennia or so - or even longer.

Re OP:

Poorly.

My thoughts are this is something that has been going on for Millennia as Cawl and Guilliman seem to have been hatching this plan since after the Heresy. I'm expecting something using the Primarch technology to create clones or vat grown Marines with all the necessary knowledge.

I'm excited about it as it opens the door to how the story may move in the future and we may see a new Heresy and the Imperium fracturing.

They are gonna approach it like a bull in a china shop.

Meaning its gonna get hamfisted into the lore just so they can have SUPER MARINES! when all the lore already says, dont screw with human genetics especially the space marines. All in the name to sell more models.

My money is on it being the culmination of whatever naughty Inqusition-AdMech-Fabius Bile collaboration was going on during the 21st Founding, see the 3rd edition Cursed Founding Index Astartes article:

"Day 38: The laboratorium we discovered contained a plethora of ancient machines, and my heart leapt to see so much techno-arcana preserved in such an undamaged condition. But it was the centre of the laboratoria that demanded my most immediate attention. Connected by vast bundles of pulsing tubes and cables to the machines were six ceiling height incubation tanks. Three were empty, but the others contained amniotic fluid with an enormous human male floating within them. The physiology of these giants put me in mind of Space Marines, but these brutes were far larger than those members of the Adeptus Astartes whom I have laid eyes upon."

"I have performed similar examinations on members of the Adeptus Astartes before this and can say with utter certainty that these subjects are far superior to them in every way."

Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Thunder Warriors (or at least that's what I'm hoping).

They were already stronger, faster, tougher and larger than the Astartes at the cost of longevity and stability, so either Girlyman has accepted they won't last as long (which makes sense considering they're going to be thrown into the "darkest age") or has upgraded them to V2.

 kestral wrote:
Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Well the video proclaims: "Geneforged beyond the capabilities of their brethren. Armed and equipped with weapons befitting their stature as the truest heirs of the Primarch's legacies" which would to appear to clearly set them apart from existing marines fluffwise.

 Gashrog wrote:

 kestral wrote:
Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Well the video proclaims: "Geneforged beyond the capabilities of their brethren. Armed and equipped with weapons befitting their stature as the truest heirs of the Primarch's legacies" which would to appear to clearly set them apart from existing marines fluffwise.

Couldalso be referring to their in modified humans? Since humans were once their brethren.



Automatically Appended Next Post:

 kestral wrote:
Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Also source on them being bigger then deathguard ?

 kestral wrote:
Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Because currently literally the entire space marine and chaos space marine miniatures ranges are basically cross-compatible, and you can mix/match parts between almost any of them. GW isn't going to invalidate and phase out two entire miniature lines just for "super marines".

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 kestral wrote:
Do we know they aren't just going to declare "These are our new marine models". After all, are they going to be bigger than the death guard in the starter box?

Because currently literally the entire space marine and chaos space marine miniatures ranges are basically cross-compatible, and you can mix/match parts between almost any of them. GW isn't going to invalidate and phase out two entire miniature lines just for "super marines".

I really hope that's the case - both for everyone who has spent the money and also so we don't just have Marine releases non stop - it will be bad enough with the Nu marines and all their baggage, - special characters, vehicles, flyers, etc etc etc.

Their going to be included in the 'Starter Box Set', of course they are the new models, and there will be chapter specific upgrade kits for them I am sure.

BrianDavion wrote:
the GS series may have advanced it maybe a year but we have no idea what 8th is gonna be, for all we know 8th starts off with "a century ago Cadia fell..." that said, you're assuming it would take that long, during the great crusade it was MUCH quicker to raise space marines. honestly I hope these new marines aren't quick grown in tanks. the space marines recruiting methods that resulted in chapters with differant cultures was a biiig part of what made space marines intreasting

This. I hope the creation methodology remains basically the same for the reasons stated. I see no reason why 8th could not happen years, or even decades after the Cadia mess.

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the GS series may have advanced it maybe a year but we have no idea what 8th is gonna be, for all we know 8th starts off with "a century ago Cadia fell..." that said, you're assuming it would take that long, during the great crusade it was MUCH quicker to raise space marines. honestly I hope these new marines aren't quick grown in tanks. the space marines recruiting methods that resulted in chapters with differant cultures was a biiig part of what made space marines intreasting

This. I hope the creation methodology remains basically the same for the reasons stated. I see no reason why 8th could not happen years, or even decades after the Cadia mess.

I've often expressed the thought that we'll get a minor timeskip, nothing major (100 years for 40k is NOTHING) just eneugh to justify any other big changes GW wants to make. this would also explain why creed was pokeballed.

The idea that Marines take a long time to raise is bollocks invented by GW that doesn't make sense regarding just the sheer amount of Gene-Seed that Marines must have available by simple math or heresy recruitment speeds. It's clear the only thing standing in the way of massive amounts of marines is dogma/the plot.

I'm pretty excited about the possibility of female marines now, since there no longer will be any real rationale not to introduce them. Not that there really was before, of course, but now there won't even be the thinnest fluff based justification.

All my Marines will wear helmets, so not much of a difference to be excited about.

Female Guardsmen I can understand excitment, you can actually see a difference.

 Ginsu33 wrote:
All my Marines will wear helmets, so not much of a difference to be excited about.

Female Guardsmen I can understand excitment, you can actually see a difference.

except if they're all in helmets you proably can't. the armor would pretty much hide any sense of gender on them. boob plates etc are complete and utter fiction,

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ginsu33 wrote:
All my Marines will wear helmets, so not much of a difference to be excited about.

Female Guardsmen I can understand excitment, you can actually see a difference.

except if they're all in helmets you proably can't. the armor would pretty much hide any sense of gender on them. boob plates etc are complete and utter fiction,

You can, I've seen it done with the old Starship troopers miniatures line. Light Mobile Infantry had females in it, they had slim legs and arms compared to the males, and female faces (lips, checks and eyes being the give away that they were female) the detail wasn't GW level, but it was enough to tell they were women and it worked.

They didn't have any rubbish gear either, same body armour as the males, same uniforms, all helmets. (the below image has two women, one on the far right and the other far left.

that's not heavy plate ala space marines though. I've seen women in full plate armor, virutally indistinguishable.

 Ouze wrote:
I'm pretty excited about the possibility of female marines now, since there no longer will be any real rationale not to introduce them. Not that there really was before, of course, but now there won't even be the thinnest fluff based justification.

There is zero reason to make female space marines except deplorable inclusiveness for the sake of inclusiveness. Nevermind that we know they're going to be male, there was no female bodies in the pods we saw.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I'm pretty excited about the possibility of female marines now, since there no longer will be any real rationale not to introduce them. Not that there really was before, of course, but now there won't even be the thinnest fluff based justification.

There is zero reason to make female space marines except deplorable inclusiveness for the sake of inclusiveness. Nevermind that we know they're going to be male, there was no female bodies in the pods we saw.

doesn't mean it can't be done, but yeah assum ing numarines automaticly means female marines is a bit of a leap of logic.

BrianDavion wrote:
that's not heavy plate ala space marines though. I've seen women in full plate armor, virutally indistinguishable.

No argument there, that's why I said if GW want women, do it for guard. Marines is pointless.

 Ouze wrote:
I'm pretty excited about the possibility of female marines now, since there no longer will be any real rationale not to introduce them. Not that there really was before, of course, but now there won't even be the thinnest fluff based justification.

I hope we get to the point where old-marines and female numarines have super babies.

What if they simply became a new army like a cross between talons of the emperor and marines?

All I know is that I wanted to make a start on a new Marine army for 8th, but now I'm holding off because I'm worried that my initial purchases will be obsolete.