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And I don't mean luring an already existing Ork horde into a planetary system.

Let's say there's an Imperial world that decided they don't want to be part of the IoM.
Nearby Inquisitor concludes it is not worth wasting resources going in an all out war with the renegade PDF. Instead, he visits his dear friend, an AdMech Xenobiologist, who has containers full of Ork spores he harvested from his specimen.
His plan is to secretly deploy Storm Trooper teams on several locations on planet's surface. Their mission is to scatter Ork spores in the secluded areas and get out without being noticed.

Inquisitor patiently waits, and after several months, the local PDF is suddenly fighting an Ork infestation, wasting people and resources trying to contain it.

How plausible is this? Has this happened in the fluff?

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Even for radical inquisitors that would seem like an unlikely thing for them to do. The main issue with this idea is that once the spores are released the Orks will either be periodically cleansed like on various worlds where they have been exposed, or they would overrun the world and become a potential sector-wide threat if they advance far enough to become a WAAAGH!

The other issue is that it goes against the tenets of Imperial dogma in the belief of human supremacy. While traitors are reviled, potentially giving a planet to the xenos is just as reprehensible.
   
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Hell I could see it being done. Just so Ork development can be studied
   
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First of all, that's going to be a very radical inquisitor! This is clearly heresy. Seems more like something an eldar might do as part of a long term plot to lure imperial forces into the right place to protect a craftworld from a Tyranid hive fleet.

Second, how effective is it? If there's no direct examples in fluff, then you can look at instances of planets dealing with ork spores long after an invasion. A nuisance to be sure but I don't think any of the worlds seemed in danger of being overrun. For one thing, the newly seeded Orks are going to be feral and lack many of the features of more established Ork Kulture. Orks being Orks, they're not going to quietly build up their forces until they're a sizable threat to the local PDF. They're going to start krumping humies whether or not they're worked out the right end of a shoota from the wrong end yet. So to be effective as a biological weapon, you're going to need another distraction for the local PDF. Now you're thinking with Tzeentch!

Third, even if it works there's the danger that you've just replaced a minor passive threat with a bigger more belligerent threat. This is not a good thing. There's going to be a sweet spot when the confrontation between the PDF and the feral orks leaves both weakened. To take advantage of this window, you'll need strike forces at the ready nearby. Meaning in system given the unreliability of warp travel.

Third and a half, if the plan involves leaving an already capable military force at the ready for months at a time then please read the article Rocks Are Not Free for why it might be more cost effective to just use devastating planet killing weaponry you already have
   
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One super-feral breed of Ogryn is used as Exterminatus in some cases. Ogryns are basically orks without the downsides.

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Radical Inquisitors are Radical for a reason. Feeding planets to Tyranids, using daemon weapons and possesed people, etc... so I will say that yes. A radical Inquisitor could do something like that... and more!

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Orks ARE a biological weapon. They were developed as such.

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An example of an Inquisitor taking such radical action...

he believes a certain region is under defended and will become venerable in the future.. But the Administratium wont deploy any additional forces or resources to that area..

So our good Inquisitor plants the Ork spores to show a threat to get his way

Or maybe he is just of the belief that conflict is good for humanity and that region has been too quite and has gone lax without a real threat.. so create an Ork issue for the good of the Imperium

(Oh yeah.. got a new storyline for Dark Heresy)

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 Luciferian wrote:
Orks ARE a biological weapon. They were developed as such.


Indeed. I could definitely see it as a leading strategy to sow them on worlds in front of Nids, Tau or Necrons. Thats using stratergy!

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GodDamUser wrote:
An example of an Inquisitor taking such radical action...

he believes a certain region is under defended and will become venerable in the future.. But the Administratium wont deploy any additional forces or resources to that area..



He is an Inquisitor, the Administratum will do as it is commanded, by order of the Holy Inquisition.

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I believe a fella named Kryptman tried to use the Orks for a similar reason. That incident is now called the Octarius War.

(I know it technically is rerouting a horde into a hive fleet, but it is basically the worst case scenaro of using Orks to fight your battles).

It is in the Imperium's best interest to keep their planets Ork-free.

   
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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
One super-feral breed of Ogryn is used as Exterminatus in some cases. Ogryns are basically orks without the downsides.


That seems like a very long-winded method of exterminatus. Especially if the planets local military has anything to say about it.

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I'd argue absolutely. I don't recall specifics but in several circumstances it has been hinted that Eldar "use" them as a distraction or means of slowing up certain forces/armadas/etc. That works for me.
   
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What do you mean "can they"? They ARE a biological weapon.

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 Deadshot wrote:

He is an Inquisitor, the Administratum will do as it is commanded, by order of the Holy Inquisition.


Well it also depends on the Inquisitors end goals as well or his method of operation... Also while Inquisitors are considered to be an obsolete authority as a whole.. There would be more then one sector governor around that would consider himself above that

Maybe it is the high lords themselves that have countermanded the request for a greater military presence, Maybe the Inquisitor follows the belief that conflict is good for humanity
   
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 Elbows wrote:
I'd argue absolutely. I don't recall specifics but in several circumstances it has been hinted that Eldar "use" them as a distraction or means of slowing up certain forces/armadas/etc. That works for me.


...By luring existing hordes into position, you mean?

The precise scenario concocted in the original post seems contrived and unhelpful. What does said Inquisitor stand to gain out of this? Why is a random Inquisitor the one in charge of doing something about a rebellious world? And when has the Imperium ever found a problem that they'd consider too unimportant to throw piles of bodies at?

I'd say if that scenario were actually to occur you'd be looking at a renegade Ordo Xenos Inquisitor who's gone totally off his rocker. Wants to examine the early stages of an Ork infestation at close range, or some such twisted justification.

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I think it was Perturabo who used nurglified Orks as suicide bombers once, spreading deseases and poison. I'd say that's a kind of bio-weapon.
   
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I would think that the ones employing Ork spores as a biological weapon will likely run into the same problems biological warfare has in real life: highly variable spread and very few methods of reliably containing it (the Orks are as likely fall into infighting with each other as to make them a nuisance as they are to coalesce into a near unstoppable Waaagh that necessitates Exterminatus to contain).
   
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Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I think it was Perturabo who used nurglified Orks as suicide bombers once, spreading deseases and poison. I'd say that's a kind of bio-weapon.


Yupp, and he used it to basically destroy a shrine world.

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Orks are already the greatest biological weapon ever created.

   
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 n0t_u wrote:
Orks are already the greatest biological weapon ever created.


The Tyranids would like to disagree here
   
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 Segersgia wrote:
I believe a fella named Kryptman tried to use the Orks for a similar reason. That incident is now called the Octarius War.

(I know it technically is rerouting a horde into a hive fleet, but it is basically the worst case scenaro of using Orks to fight your battles).

It is in the Imperium's best interest to keep their planets Ork-free.



I believe the Octarius War is still going! Kryptman thought both sides would wipe themselves out and the Imperium could then step in to "mop up". The big problem is both races thrive on war so whoever finally wins is going to be an absolute Juggernaut.

Oh and Ghazghkull is supposedly heading that way to call up more boyz for Da Great Waaagh...




 
   
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GodDamUser wrote:
 n0t_u wrote:
Orks are already the greatest biological weapon ever created.


The Tyranids would like to disagree here


My reasoning is we know the orks were created as a weapon of sorts while at don't know if the nids were created or evolved naturally to how they are now. Otherwise I'd say orks are the second best.

   
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 Phydox wrote:
 Segersgia wrote:
I believe a fella named Kryptman tried to use the Orks for a similar reason. That incident is now called the Octarius War.

(I know it technically is rerouting a horde into a hive fleet, but it is basically the worst case scenaro of using Orks to fight your battles).

It is in the Imperium's best interest to keep their planets Ork-free.



I believe the Octarius War is still going! Kryptman thought both sides would wipe themselves out and the Imperium could then step in to "mop up". The big problem is both races thrive on war so whoever finally wins is going to be an absolute Juggernaut.

Oh and Ghazghkull is supposedly heading that way to call up more boyz for Da Great Waaagh...

I think in WAAAGH! Ghazghkull he had already passed through after getting a few good fights, including one where he gets chewed and swallowed by a Mawloc only to fight his way out.

I think he was on his way to the Eye of Terror when last we left him.

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Orks are already biological weapons.
They were created by the Old Ones to serve as cheap cannon fodder, which is why they constantly produce breeding spores.
The imperium did try to use the Orks against the nids, but it backfired. Rather than wiping each other out they just got stronger.

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I suppose they could work, though you'd have to be the biggest idiot in the Imperium to do it.

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Broly wrote:
And I don't mean luring an already existing Ork horde into a planetary system.

Let's say there's an Imperial world that decided they don't want to be part of the IoM.
Nearby Inquisitor concludes it is not worth wasting resources going in an all out war with the renegade PDF. Instead, he visits his dear friend, an AdMech Xenobiologist, who has containers full of Ork spores he harvested from his specimen.
His plan is to secretly deploy Storm Trooper teams on several locations on planet's surface. Their mission is to scatter Ork spores in the secluded areas and get out without being noticed.

Inquisitor patiently waits, and after several months, the local PDF is suddenly fighting an Ork infestation, wasting people and resources trying to contain it.

How plausible is this? Has this happened in the fluff?





The Orks are already a massive bioweapon program running out of control. For over sixty five million years.


And anybody trying to pull a Kryptman with the Orks will learn what the Old Ones found out eons ago. To wit: The greenskins are more trouble than they are worth to use for such a scheme. It will backfire on you.

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