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2017/05/05 19:28:56
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
So working on the info that GW has confirmed: 5 army books released Day 1 will include all currently available models from every faction AND these books will be low in cost (likely lower than the current $50 codex price), how do you think this will play out?
I am thinking this:
1) Space Marines (all Chapters including Wolves, Angels & maybe GKs)
---Likely will have only shared datasheets like "Tactical Marine" in which a "Chapter tactic" will add so rule to.
With only 5 books and what feels like several hundred factions, this looks to be the way they'd have to do it. The Xenos book would be massive though. o_O
Have we had any word of what FW are going to do about releasing updated rules for all Imperial Armour books? I really want to see what the Daemon Lords look like with the new 'buffed' statlines and what 'keywords' they'll have.
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2017/05/05 19:35:17
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
The only Faction I'm unsure about is Grey Knights. They are likely to be in the Space marine book since they share transports and Dreads, but are just as likely to be in the "Imperial Agents" book since they work so close with Inquisition.
Sorry, I didn't mean to forget Ynnari, i just thought it was assumed with the Aeldari books
The Xenos book might indeed be big, but i don't think it would be any bigger than the Space marine or Chaos books
Galef wrote: The only Faction I'm unsure about is Grey Knights. They are likely to be in the Space marine book since they share transports and Dreads, but are just as likely to be in the "Imperial Agents" book since they work so close with Inquisition.
Same problem with Legions of the Damned.
2017/05/05 20:35:36
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
Galef wrote: The only Faction I'm unsure about is Grey Knights. They are likely to be in the Space marine book since they share transports and Dreads, but are just as likely to be in the "Imperial Agents" book since they work so close with Inquisition.
Same problem with Legions of the Damned.
I'd say LotD would be in the Marine book considering they are currently in the 7th ed Marine book. On that note, GKs are more likely to be in the "Imperial Agents" book rather than the SM book for the same reason.
Grimgold wrote: Yeah that was my exact though from last week:
I think there are just too many Imperial factions currently to put them all in 1 book, that is why I think they will split it as SMs + Everyone else Imperial And as "unique" as Tau, Orks, Necrons and Nids are from each other, I don't see a single book including them all having much more content than a Space Marine book that includes all the currently playable chapters
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Galef wrote:I'd say LotD would be in the Marine book considering they are currently in the 7th ed Marine book. On that note, GKs are more likely to be in the "Imperial Agents" book rather than the SM book.
LotD are in three different books. They have a 6th edition codex. They're in the 7th ed space marines book. They're also in the Imperial Agents book.
2017/05/05 21:07:16
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
I would think if Marines/Imperium and Aeldari/Xenos were going to be in different "Grand Alliance" books, they would also be in different section on the website.
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2017/05/05 22:03:25
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
There is no indication there are "Grand alliances" the original five books are grouped for convenience's sake rather than reflecting some deeper connection.
Since they confirmed keywords, I expect the three top level keywords to be Imperial, Xenos, and Chaos. Below those, we will have specific faction keywords such as Space Marine, Aeldari, Adeptus Mechanicus, Tau, Necron. Below those will sub-factions like Blood angels, farsight enclave, Skitarii, black legion, and Sahutek dynasty. Then there will be descriptive keywords like humanoid, android, daemon, skimmer, tank, heavy, etc. The final will be organizational keywords, like fast attack, Troop, elite, etc.
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2017/05/05 22:17:52
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
Another thought possibility based one AoS release is Imperium (including all Space Marines), Chaos (including all CSM), Xenos, Astartes, and Death Guard (The last two based on starter set rumors)
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2017/05/07 16:41:19
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
Glad they did this, some people have been asking for amalgamated codexes for a while now.
Printing is getting more expensive and there is less profit to be made that way, its now time to fix and give the game a solid rules foundation.
Secondary productions beyond a most number of codexes will probably be campaign packs.
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2017/05/08 02:52:21
Subject: Re:How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
Bullsh**. For four editions they've been chopping my Inquisition army up into smaller and smaller peices, and now they're finally going to make something convenient for me? There's got to be a catch.
(Bet you I get no Command points if I take an Inquisitor and Stormtroopers in the same army.)
Talamare what makes the Necrons an "Evil" Xeno army? I just see lots of mindless robot-zombies marching into galactic warfare while the "Silent King" searchs for a way to give them their "souls" back by looking for suitable lifeforms while trying to prevent the Tyranids from eating all the suitable lifeforms.
Odrankt wrote: Talamare what makes the Necrons an "Evil" Xeno army? I just see lots of mindless robot-zombies marching into galactic warfare while the "Silent King" searchs for a way to give them their "souls" back by looking for suitable lifeforms while trying to prevent the Tyranids from eating all the suitable lifeforms.
Hmmm... Maybe their a bit evil...
Everyone Faction in 40k is Evil to be honest, It's more aesthetics than it is Lore.
Eldar and Tau are fairly clean and tends to be advertised in a bright fashion.
Necrons, Tyranids, and Orkz tends to advertised a little dirtier and a little more brutal.
Dark Eldar tho is the odd duck, I would have put them in the Evil book, but I wouldn't want to separate them from the rest of the Eldar. If it wasn't for the Harlequin and potentially Ynnead factions blurring the lines between Eldar and Dark Eldar it probably wouldn't be an issue.
Robin5t wrote: You missed Ynnari in the Aeldari book. They're the Aeldari's flagship faction, they'll be taking centre-stage in there.
dang, dude, do you have the winning lotto #'s to Wed's CA Super Lotto draw, too?
Anyway, OP's set up looks to be the most practical, if it is indeed 5 grouped faction books. But as others have said, could be a combo of faction grouped books and/or fluff book(s) and/or GHB, etc
Everyone Faction in 40k is Evil to be honest, It's more aesthetics than it is Lore.
to be fair, I'd argue Tyranids are not evil at all, possibly the only non-evil faction in the game. it'd be like calling bees evil for gathering pollen. Orks are kinda close, too.
But I get what you're saying. And I get and agree w/ the generalized portrayals part.
I honestly believe the only purely evil factions are the Imperium (sans Marines, since they're kinda just following orders and fighting for survival. But all other branches are pretty evil), some Chaos legions (really, they're fighting for freedom of religious practices, right??? But some are just downright evil...), and potentially the Tau (indoctrination, eugenics, caste discrimination, etc).
I've thought a lot about DE and Eldar recently and I'd say they're both leaning towards non-evil. DE just needs to devour souls and torture people to survive! Sure they have a conscience of some sort and should know better, and can just accept dying of old age...but again, it's just survival. Eldar? Lots of psychopaths and narcissists. Some Craftworlds I believe obliterate innocents, depending on the given situation. But I think in general, their intentions are pure. ...for their own species at least. They do help other species, let's not forget, on occasion.
But yeah, my theory - Tyranids (and maybe Orks) are (ironically?) the only non-evil factions in the game.
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Odrankt wrote: Talamare what makes the Necrons an "Evil" Xeno army? I just see lots of mindless robot-zombies marching into galactic warfare while the "Silent King" searchs for a way to give them their "souls" back by looking for suitable lifeforms while trying to prevent the Tyranids from eating all the suitable lifeforms.
Hmmm... Maybe their a bit evil...
Their whole MO is to eradicate all life in the universe. From a Necron PoV they're good, but from literally any other being in the universe, they're evil.
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2017/05/08 06:22:03
Subject: How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
All the terrain, fortifications and scenarios could take up an entire book by themselves.
Each xeno faction should be around 50 pages so a xeno book will be about 400 pages (if they are all bunched together)
1. Terrain, scenarios and detachments
2. Space marines
3. special space marines and other imperials
4. Spiky space marines and deamons
5. everyone else
2017/05/08 06:46:11
Subject: Re:How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
Citation please. Necrons aren't a monolithic one world view force, there are certain factions within the Necrons that are xenocidal, for the most part though, the Necrons don't care enough about the lesser races to make exterminating them a priority. If that desire were common to all Necrons then destroyers wouldn't be a weird cult, they would be my cousin Ahno-hotep who replaced his legs with some shiny new kit. Since examples are better, here are some non-adversarial interactions between the lesser races and the Necrons:
Trazyn the infinite is rather amused by the lesser races and even saved Cadia from Abaddon's forces multiple times. Most of his museum is devoted to saving the history of the lesser races.
Immohtek opened relations with the Tau, A relationship that has made the ultima segmentum much more dangerous for the IoM.
The silent king worked with the blood angels and was so impressed by Dante he spoke with him directly (which is a big deal, he is called the silent king for a reason).
Necrons have actually worked more with the IoM than the Tau have. Things are bad on a Necron controlled worlds for the lesser races, but even then Necrons vary considerably, some might launch full scale purges, and another might give a deadline for the lesser races to get off of their planet, and some might open trade. The ultimate goal of the Necrons is to restore their empire and maybe reverse transference (since those were the wishes of the silent king when he gave his final command). That's not even getting into the crazy necrons, like the ones that got their minds wiped by their AI and now serve the AI by taking over other tomb worlds, or the tomb world where the flayer virus affected everyone bu the Phaeron, and now the Phaeron serves his people by leading raids against the living to get more flesh for them to "consume".
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2017/05/08 07:21:49
Subject: Re:How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
I do NOT expect to see rules for Khorne Daemonkin, Crimson Slaughter, Farsight Enclaves, Tempestus Scions (as a separate entity, they'll still be in the AM section), or basically anything else unless it has rules that actually change on the datasheet.
Later we'll get supplements and faction books for them with unique Relics and Force Orgs, command points etc.
I expect these initial rules to be fairly bare bones to just make sure absolutely every model is playable out the door in 8th, and then it will be back to business as usual of releasing one Codex/Supplement at a time.
I put Tau in twice because they could go in either, you'd just rename them to be Xenos Vol 1 and Xenos Vol 2.
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2017/05/08 07:48:04
Subject: Re:How are the 5 army books for 8th likely to be divided
JesseS wrote: I do NOT expect to see rules for Khorne Daemonkin, Crimson Slaughter, Farsight Enclaves, Tempestus Scions (as a separate entity, they'll still be in the AM section), or basically anything else unless it has rules that actually change on the datasheet.
Don't think those really differ much from different chapters or say different traitor legions.
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