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I assume Dawn of War III takes place before Gathering Storm, as Biel-Tan seems quite well. If so, was Macha killed when Biel-Tan died? What about Rohahn (I bet he snuck away)? In general, how much of Biel-Tan do you think made it off the Craftworld, perhaps enough to recolonize one of the Exodite Worlds or attack and claim a minor Craftworld like Kaelor?
   
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Outer Space, Apparently

No idea about Macha, but there's the possibility that her Warhost wasn't even on Craftworld Biel-Tan.

Ronahn's an exile of Ulthwe, with no particular allegiance to anyone - chances are he wasn't there either.

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Hyperspace

Biel-Tan didn't die, it simply split into its component parts. Craftworlds are like space hulks in that they are actually giant amalgations of smaller spacecraft. I doubt that the death-toll from the Fracture was that large.



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and it actually notes that BelTan is repairable, it'll just take "decades if not centuries"

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Corlath wrote:
I assume Dawn of War III takes place before Gathering Storm

It almost certainly takes place after Fracture of Biel-Tan.

The original Dawn of War took place (began) in 999.M41.
Winter Assault takes place a matter of weeks/months later judging by the events of Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.
Dark Crusade takes place an unspecified amount of time later.
Soulstorm is an unspecified amount of time after that.
Dawn of War II is an unspecified amount of time after that.
Chaos Rising begins a year after the end of DoW II (which takes place over several weeks)
Retribution is set ten years later
Then enough time has to pass for the Blood Ravens to have their Chapter purge and rebuild their numbers before Dawn of War III.

So DoW III is probably set late teens/early twenties .M42 at the earliest.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.


You really shouldn't bundle the books in with the rest of the franchise.
   
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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.


You really shouldn't bundle the books in with the rest of the franchise.

If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'.

Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.


You really shouldn't bundle the books in with the rest of the franchise.

If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'.

Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions.


In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.

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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.


You really shouldn't bundle the books in with the rest of the franchise.

If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'.

Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions.


In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.

Don't the books include Slaaneshi DE?

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Hyperspace

Yes. Apparently Lelith Hesparax lived in the Eye Of Terror.



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Speaking of... who wins DoW 3?

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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.

1) That's not a timeline contradiction
2) Macha isn't [confirmed] as killed in Tempest. She just sort of... disappears...
3) Possibly book Taldeer and game Taldeer aren't the same - presumably the intent was that they were the same character (but then presumably the intent with the original book was that the ending would match the game...).
4) If every source with [possible] contradictions was ignored, we'd be left with very little background!


pm713 wrote:
Don't the books include Slaaneshi DE?

 Verviedi wrote:
Yes. Apparently Lelith Hesparax lived in the Eye Of Terror.

No. Lelith was in one of Goto's Deathwatch novels (I think). The Dark Eldar don't feature at all in his Dawn of War books.
   
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123ply wrote:
Speaking of... who wins DoW 3?


Gorgutz of course. He got his pointy stick.

 
   
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 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
123ply wrote:
Speaking of... who wins DoW 3?


Gorgutz of course. He got his pointy stick.


I watched the ending video, (It was terrible) and I'm not sure what happened but it looks like nobody cared anymore...
They all just walked away and Gorgutz took the spear for himself. I've heard the story wasn't good but man, that was a lazy ending.

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123ply wrote:
 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
123ply wrote:
Speaking of... who wins DoW 3?


Gorgutz of course. He got his pointy stick.


I watched the ending video, (It was terrible) and I'm not sure what happened but it looks like nobody cared anymore...
They all just walked away and Gorgutz took the spear for himself. I've heard the story wasn't good but man, that was a lazy ending.
Of the three characters there, only Gorgutz actually wanted the thing at all and even then only because he thought owning it would make strong enemies come after him and guarantee some good fights. Macha and Angelos both wanted nothing to do with the spear and were actively striving to keep their own 'allies' away from it because they quite rightly thought that nothing good would come of it.
   
 
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