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2017/05/08 07:22:24
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I assume Dawn of War III takes place before Gathering Storm, as Biel-Tan seems quite well. If so, was Macha killed when Biel-Tan died? What about Rohahn (I bet he snuck away)? In general, how much of Biel-Tan do you think made it off the Craftworld, perhaps enough to recolonize one of the Exodite Worlds or attack and claim a minor Craftworld like Kaelor?
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2017/05/08 08:06:02
Subject: Re:Is Macha dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No idea about Macha, but there's the possibility that her Warhost wasn't even on Craftworld Biel-Tan.
Ronahn's an exile of Ulthwe, with no particular allegiance to anyone - chances are he wasn't there either.
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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2017/05/08 16:13:55
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Biel-Tan didn't die, it simply split into its component parts. Craftworlds are like space hulks in that they are actually giant amalgations of smaller spacecraft. I doubt that the death-toll from the Fracture was that large.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2017/05/08 22:30:37
Subject: Re:Is Macha dead?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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and it actually notes that BelTan is repairable, it'll just take "decades if not centuries"
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two |
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2017/05/09 17:29:12
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Corlath wrote:I assume Dawn of War III takes place before Gathering Storm
It almost certainly takes place after Fracture of Biel-Tan.
The original Dawn of War took place (began) in 999.M41.
Winter Assault takes place a matter of weeks/months later judging by the events of Trials of Isador, DoW: Ascension and DoW: Tempest.
Dark Crusade takes place an unspecified amount of time later.
Soulstorm is an unspecified amount of time after that.
Dawn of War II is an unspecified amount of time after that.
Chaos Rising begins a year after the end of DoW II (which takes place over several weeks)
Retribution is set ten years later
Then enough time has to pass for the Blood Ravens to have their Chapter purge and rebuild their numbers before Dawn of War III.
So DoW III is probably set late teens/early twenties .M42 at the earliest.
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2017/05/09 18:48:17
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes
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You really shouldn't bundle the books in with the rest of the franchise.
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2017/05/09 20:50:56
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'.
Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions.
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2017/05/09 22:04:30
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
Where ever the Emperor needs his eyes
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Lord Damocles wrote: If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'. Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions. In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.
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2017/05/10 06:11:29
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Fixture of Dakka
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Lord Damocles wrote:
If you start arbitrarily dismissing some sources, you might as well say 'You shouldn't bundle DoW II in with the rest of the franchise'.
Besides which, the books for all their (many) faults don't present any timeline contradictions.
In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.
Don't the books include Slaaneshi DE?
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2017/05/10 11:27:01
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes. Apparently Lelith Hesparax lived in the Eye Of Terror.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2017/05/14 04:07:47
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Speaking of... who wins DoW 3?
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123ply: Dataslate- 4/4/3/3/1/3/1/8/6+
Autopistol, Steel Extendo, Puma Hoodie
USRs: "Preferred Enemy: Xenos"
"Hatred: Xenos"
"Racist and Proud of it" - Gains fleshbane, rending, rage, counter-attack, and X2 strength and toughness when locked in combat with units not in the "Imperium of Man" faction.
Collection:
AM/IG - 122nd Terrax Guard: 2094/3000pts
Skitarii/Cult Mech: 1380/2000pts
Khorne Daemonkin - Host of the Nervous Knife: 1701/2000pts
Orks - Rampage Axez: 1753/2000pts |
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2017/05/14 09:53:07
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:In the books Taldeer is an upstart member of Macha's Seer Council that is blinded and killed (not to mention from Biel Tan, not Ulthwe). I'd say that is a contradiction. It's also got tentacle handed Space Marines, which just sorta goes against everything. Also the books have been ignored by the games.
1) That's not a timeline contradiction
2) Macha isn't [confirmed] as killed in Tempest. She just sort of... disappears...
3) Possibly book Taldeer and game Taldeer aren't the same - presumably the intent was that they were the same character (but then presumably the intent with the original book was that the ending would match the game...).
4) If every source with [possible] contradictions was ignored, we'd be left with very little background!
No. Lelith was in one of Goto's Deathwatch novels (I think). The Dark Eldar don't feature at all in his Dawn of War books.
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2017/05/14 18:29:06
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Gorgutz of course. He got his pointy stick.
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2017/05/20 01:20:17
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I watched the ending video, (It was terrible) and I'm not sure what happened but it looks like nobody cared anymore...
They all just walked away and Gorgutz took the spear for himself. I've heard the story wasn't good but man, that was a lazy ending.
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123ply: Dataslate- 4/4/3/3/1/3/1/8/6+
Autopistol, Steel Extendo, Puma Hoodie
USRs: "Preferred Enemy: Xenos"
"Hatred: Xenos"
"Racist and Proud of it" - Gains fleshbane, rending, rage, counter-attack, and X2 strength and toughness when locked in combat with units not in the "Imperium of Man" faction.
Collection:
AM/IG - 122nd Terrax Guard: 2094/3000pts
Skitarii/Cult Mech: 1380/2000pts
Khorne Daemonkin - Host of the Nervous Knife: 1701/2000pts
Orks - Rampage Axez: 1753/2000pts |
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2017/05/21 08:50:55
Subject: Is Macha dead?
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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123ply wrote:
I watched the ending video, (It was terrible) and I'm not sure what happened but it looks like nobody cared anymore...
They all just walked away and Gorgutz took the spear for himself. I've heard the story wasn't good but man, that was a lazy ending.
Of the three characters there, only Gorgutz actually wanted the thing at all and even then only because he thought owning it would make strong enemies come after him and guarantee some good fights. Macha and Angelos both wanted nothing to do with the spear and were actively striving to keep their own 'allies' away from it because they quite rightly thought that nothing good would come of it.
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