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Question came up about how to move assaulting units.

Unit was charging a single large based model.
After moving the initial charger, (closet model to nearest point), the rest of the unit has to move into base contact if it can.
But, do the rest of the models in the unit have to follow the rule of the shortest possible route? Or as long as they get into base contact and have the charge distance, can they be moved as the controller sees fit?

Thanks

What does the second bullet point under Move Initial Charger say?

 Charistoph wrote:
What does the second bullet point under Move Initial Charger say?

It says chargers must move into base contact when possible (with unengaged models, or with a model that is already enaged)

It does not state they have to move in the shortest route possible as it does for the initial charger.

But later in the description for charging through difficult terrain it says this "If, when charging, one or more models have to move through difficult terrain in order to reach the enemy by the shortest possible route..."

There was an big disagreement on this issue between our players.

Is this about spreading out your model strategically around the large model to minimize stomps?

Realmgames wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
What does the second bullet point under Move Initial Charger say?

It says chargers must move into base contact when possible (with unengaged models, or with a model that is already enaged)

It does not state they have to move in the shortest route possible as it does for the initial charger.

But later in the description for charging through difficult terrain it says this "If, when charging, one or more models have to move through difficult terrain in order to reach the enemy by the shortest possible route..."

There was an big disagreement on this issue between our players.

How does one exempt the other?

Difficult Terrain doesn't say you have to take the shortest route, just that it applies as if you would be taking the shortest route.

Realmgames wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
What does the second bullet point under Move Initial Charger say?

It says chargers must move into base contact when possible (with unengaged models, or with a model that is already enaged)

It does not state they have to move in the shortest route possible as it does for the initial charger.

But later in the description for charging through difficult terrain it says this "If, when charging, one or more models have to move through difficult terrain in order to reach the enemy by the shortest possible route..."

There was an big disagreement on this issue between our players.

You don't have to move models after the frist one by the shortest route, but if the shortest route to the enemy unit for any model would be through difficult terrain then you subtract 2" from your charge distance. If you have the charge distance after that you can move however you want within the normal limits of charging. If you avoid actually going through the difficult terrain because you still have enough charge range to go around it, you can save yourself the initiiative penalty in combat (you can't, of course, if the initial charger goes through the difficult terrain, or if the only way one of your other models can meet the requirements for charging -such as getting into base contact - is to actually move though the difficult terrain).

 Stephanius wrote:
Is this about spreading out your model strategically around the large model to minimize stomps?

No, it was about one player telling the other how to place his models around his Blood Thirsters base (by the shortest route after the first). which then meant the second charging unit was forced to go through difficult terrain. (and subsequently failed the charge).



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 doctortom wrote:

Realmgames wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
What does the second bullet point under Move Initial Charger say?

It says chargers must move into base contact when possible (with unengaged models, or with a model that is already enaged)

It does not state they have to move in the shortest route possible as it does for the initial charger.

But later in the description for charging through difficult terrain it says this "If, when charging, one or more models have to move through difficult terrain in order to reach the enemy by the shortest possible route..."

There was an big disagreement on this issue between our players.

You don't have to move models after the frist one by the shortest route, but if the shortest route to the enemy unit for any model would be through difficult terrain then you subtract 2" from your charge distance. If you have the charge distance after that you can move however you want within the normal limits of charging. If you avoid actually going through the difficult terrain because you still have enough charge range to go around it, you can save yourself the initiiative penalty in combat (you can't, of course, if the initial charger goes through the difficult terrain, or if the only way one of your other models can meet the requirements for charging -such as getting into base contact - is to actually move though the difficult terrain).

This is how I would have ruled it. I wasn't at the shop at the time. The players called GW and GW ruled otherwise. (though I not 100% sure they knew the full nature of the question since it took me awhile to figure out what the argument was)