Which models should be "left behind" for 8th?

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**Ratius**

Which models due to their aesthetic, fluff, background or just downright sillyness do you think should have gone the way of the dodo with 8ths release (if any)?

No, Kanluwen, you cant comment here

**Tactical_Spam**

Wulfen (Digganobz) and Thunderwolves.

**mrhappyface**

Guilliman?

**Pancakey**

Any IC over 10 wounds!!!

**Vaktathi**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
Wulfen (Digganobz) and Thunderwolves.

^

Also, Centurions and the Taurox.

Nothing of value will be lost

**tneva82**

What's the point when none will?

**Ratius**

What's the point when none will?

Inane forum banter?

**mrhappyface**

Ratius wrote:
What's the point when none will?

Inane forum banter?

Isn't that part of the contract we sign when we come on here?

**Ratius**

I'm still on probation on here

**Unusual Suspect**

The Sled. Y'all know the one.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

The Taurox. So ugly. If my motor pool needs weren't already met by Chimera IFV's, I'd be looking into M3 Halftracks.

Also, the Fangfang and Wolfwolf gunship.

Edit: yeah, Santa Grimnar's Sleigh is stupid too.

**Luciferian**

Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

**Mr Morden**

Centurions
The new SM flyers

Speaking as a Space Wolf player:

"new" wulfen
The Wolf Sleigh
Thunder Wolves

Taurox

HATE them

**Luciferian**

Centurions should definitely be redone if not abandoned.

**Vaktathi**

Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

It's what happens when you let a thematic flair overrun the background to become a parody trope

Space Marines with Viking styling? Awesome.

Werewolves, wolf cavalry, wolf sleighs, wolf/fang/claw-*everything* gets...real dumb.

**Luciferian**

Agreed, it certainly does lack subtlety.

**jreilly89**

The entire Tau and Eldar line.

**Tactical_Spam**

Luciferian wrote:
Centurions should definitely be redone if not abandoned.

I'm on the redesign train. The concept of Centurians is good: Heavy-armored weapon platforms that can perform where tanks can't. The only problem is is that we got the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man out of that deal.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Luciferian wrote:
Damn, no love for Space Wolves here

I play Space Wolves. I wish I could play a game without a joke about needing rabies shots. What happened to being badass space vikings?

Wolfwolfs and Fangfangs, and Thunderwolves, and Grimnar's Sleigh, are all extremely silly.

**Boniface**

jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

I understand Tau, lots of people hate the look, but Eldar? They've been here since the beginning.

I basically agree with everything space wolves. I have never liked them from day 1 in the hobby (1990s) but more the latest stupidity I.e. wolf riders.

I don't really like orks either, everything about them seems silly. Everyone else in the grimdark is all grim, dark, and serious space wolves and orks do feel a little out of place in their over the top nature.

**Kanluwen**

Ratius wrote:
Which models due to their aesthetic, fluff, background or just downright sillyness do you think should have gone the way of the dodo with 8ths release (if any)?

No, Kanluwen, you cant comment here

To be fair, Rough Riders already have been "left behind", the models haven't been for sale for almost 4-5 years.

They went away around the time of the Astra Militarum book(2013).

IF (huge if) they have a radical redesign of the concept(no more of this garbage of them being part of the regiment themselves; make them an Auxiliary unit instead ala Ogryn or Ratlings) and make them into something like:

Feral World Cavalry Auxiliary

M10"-12" WS 4+ BS5+ S5 T4 or T5 2W 6A or 3W LD6 4+ or 5+ save(T and save should be dependent upon the type of mount that they go with--the lower value should be representative of "just" horsemen while the better value should be used to represent a xenobeast mount)
Wargear
Explosive Tipped Lance: 3" range, Strength 5(S of a Guardsman is 3; +2 for the Lance). AP -1 Only usable on the turn that the unit charges. Not one use only anymore(give them a limited number or if it's a fluff thing-- make it so that it's more like a "bangstick" that divers use; a hollowed out spear with an explosive cartridge that is 'fired' when it contacts the flesh of the target). Only one attack per Auxiliary; it's not something that can be reloaded on the fly.
Las/autopistol and Close Combat Weapon(S3 AP 0 to rep it being swung by the Guardsman and not the mount)
Hoof/Claws: 1" range, S5(Strength of the mount--higher if it's a big xenobeast mount or something).

<Cavalry>: The number of attacks is split between the Auxiliary and its Mount. Half of the attacks must be made with the Auxiliary's weapons; the reminder are made by the mount itself in a frenzy of "nope nope nope".
<Insert Fancy Name for Hit and Fade Strike Here>: This unit, after resolving its hits in combat, can immediately disengage. Roll 2D6(or 1D6 if it's a bigger mount) to see how far it disengages from the combat.
<Insert Fancy Name for Moving Quickly Here>: This unit can run and charge in the same turn.
<Insert Fancy Name For Big Animals Hitting Hard Here>: This unit doubles its attacks with Hoof/Claws on the turn that it charges.

This makes it so that it's a fragile unit if caught and held in place, but with a bit of offensive punch that the current unit lacks.

It also makes it so that, thematically, it's not just "Guardsmen on a horse". It doesn't detract from the Death Korps' Death Riders or the Tallarn Mukaali or any specific regiments that are known for having hussars, dragoons, whatever.

It fixes a big issue I have with the concept(I never thought it appropriate that they're considered "part of the regiment" in many cases; they should be auxiliary) and it makes a unit that finally can have a unique look made for them.

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Tactical_Spam wrote:
Luciferian wrote:
Centurions should definitely be redone if not abandoned.

I'm on the redesign train. The concept of Centurians is good: Heavy-armored weapon platforms that can perform where tanks can't. The only problem is is that we got the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man out of that deal.

There isn't really any way to redesign them without either making a nuTerminator or nuDevastator effectively.

**Galef**

jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

That would be sad considering Tau and Eldar have some of the best looking models GW has ever made. Much better than the gothic, clunky, boarder-line steam-punk Imperium junk.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Galef wrote:
jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

That would be sad considering Tau and Eldar have some of the best looking models GW has ever made. Much better than the gothic, clunky, boarder-line steam-punk Imperium junk.

The Exorcist is by far the best tank model GW makes. I will fight you on that.

I'd rather have flying cathedrals with flying buttresses and stained glass windows and tanks with artistic relief panels and pipe organs for missiles painted shining silver and gold and brass.

The Tau are all anime-like, and the Eldar are just sort of boring to look at. I'd rather have a mud-splattered Mk.V tank that's been crawling through shell-shattered no-man's land than weird curvy hovercraft or a gundam mecha.

**TheLumberJack**

I'm not really for discontinuing any models, but certain models need redone. Lot of the chaos line, some ig, and eldar are some of the lines in desperate need

**tneva82**

Tactical_Spam wrote:
Luciferian wrote:
Centurions should definitely be redone if not abandoned.

I'm on the redesign train. The concept of Centurians is good: Heavy-armored weapon platforms that can perform where tanks can't. The only problem is is that we got the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man out of that deal.

That's terminators and dreadnoughts...

**Ashiraya**

Guillimarines.

Burn them before they hatch.

**gnome_idea_what**

The Taurox should be axed, and the SM flyers could all use facelifts at least.

**Martel732**

I probably won't mind thunderwolves and Wulfen as much if they fix the crunch. They are WAY undercosted atm.

**dominuschao**

jreilly89 wrote:
The entire Tau and Eldar line.

And every grav weapon

**mrhappyface**

Ashiraya wrote:
Guillimarines.

Burn them before they hatch.

All it takes is one idiot, who's too curious for their own good, to stick their face in one of those eggs and we're all doomed!