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So I was thinking about when the Numarines come out I might start another chapter of Space Marines and do an all Numarine company.

Thinking about which chapter I figured it oughta be a badly decimated/rebuilding chapter in the fluff.

So far I'm thinking either Crimson Fists or Invaders. Any input?
Or suggestions of other chapters that might be bloodied and rebuilding? Thanks

Why don't you make a chapter of NuMarines called the Numarines?

Maybe a reprisal for the Carcharodons? (even though that kind of wrecks their special snowflake broodiness)

Lamenters is a cool choice, maybe you can turn their bad luck around?

Ah, the Lamenters, that's a good one, hadn't thought of them.

Astral Knights.

The Fire Hawks if you like flame decals or the Star Phantoms if you like painting white.

The Fire Hawks were pretty much wiped out and the phantoms were reduced to below 400 strength after the Badab war.

Star Phantoms is a good one, aren't the Fire Hawks just the Legion of the Damned now?

As for the Astral Knights I thought they were going on some Ride off into the sunset death quest and not even recruiting?

And I was thinking about the Lamenters, they are still on that no recruitment penitent crusade just like the Mantis Warriors and Executioners, that is unless the plot is advancing by a bit, which would be cool.

Plus, we now know they're called Primaris Marines.

Unless, of course, you want to call your Chapter the NuMarines Chapter, for some unknown reason...

 TheAdversary wrote:
Star Phantoms is a good one, aren't the Fire Hawks just the Legion of the Damned now?

As for the Astral Knights I thought they were going on some Ride off into the sunset death quest and not even recruiting?

And I was thinking about the Lamenters, they are still on that no recruitment penitent crusade just like the Mantis Warriors and Executioners, that is unless the plot is advancing by a bit, which would be cool.

No, the Astral Knights are the ones that rammed their battle barge into the World Engine and proceeded to die gloriously to the last man as they took down the shields from the inside. Remember one thing about these Primaris marines; From what has been said, they are made from the annual 5% Progenoid Tithe all chapters give. Having done some quick math, that is roughly 3-5 billion Geneseed stored up over 10k years (give or take a few due to founding expansions, continuous destruction and rebuilding of chapters, etc). Cawl didn't care what Geneseed he used. He's got it all. Blood Raven, Ultramarine, Lamenters, Astral Knights, Black Dragons, Rainbow Warriors, etc, etc, and preserved prechaos samples from any of the countless chapters that have fallen. You name it, he's got seed from them.

Oh, wow, good point. Hadn't even thought about all that stored geneseed, could do any chapter really.

But I did come up with a few recently devastated chapters that might benefit from some Primaris marine reinforcments, like the Black Consuls, Brazen Claws, Scythes of the Emperor, Blood Ravens, Celestial Lions, and possibly the Mortifactors.

The fire hawks may or may not be the LotD but thier look is pretty cool.

The Badab War chapter were all heavily damaged.

What colours do you like painting? Or at least, are you willing to paint?
We can certainly match a damadged Chapter to a colour scheme.

I am curious to know if they I'll touch on what the Reserve and Scout companies react now that them Nu Marines took their jobs.


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I am curious to know if they I'll touch on how the Reserve and Scout companies react now that them Nu Marines took their jobs.

Emperors scythes are pretty battered right now!

I like the idea of a custom chapter called the NuMarines.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I am curious to know if they I'll touch on what the Reserve and Scout companies react now that them Nu Marines took their jobs.


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I am curious to know if they I'll touch on how the Reserve and Scout companies react now that them Nu Marines took their jobs.

Some may not stop. Nu marines are good but that means your reliant on them getting to you.
Local recruitment likely br maintained as you cannot risk not having recruits.

Are the Crimson fists back up to full strength in the current timeline yet? They have the advantage of sharing the IF badge so there are plenty of parts you could use.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Are the Crimson fists back up to full strength in the current timeline yet? They have the advantage of sharing the IF badge so there are plenty of parts you could use.

I don't think it's been specified. my gut feeling is GW's gonna, at least at the introductionnot specify too heavily, so as to not make people feel invalidated. such as if they said "ohh there was only 1 badly depleted space wolf great company left, and Gulliman built 12 new great companies for the space wolves of new Marines" that could piss off a lot of space wolf players. on the other hand specificly saying "the space wolves refused to accept ANY Primarius Marines" means space wolf players are left in the cold. my gut feeling is all the cannon chapters will be "mixed groupings" and Primarius companies and chapters will be left vague and "up to the player to decide"

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Are the Crimson fists back up to full strength in the current timeline yet? They have the advantage of sharing the IF badge so there are plenty of parts you could use.

I don't think it's been specified. my gut feeling is GW's gonna, at least at the introductionnot specify too heavily, so as to not make people feel invalidated. such as if they said "ohh there was only 1 badly depleted space wolf great company left, and Gulliman built 12 new great companies for the space wolves of new Marines" that could piss off a lot of space wolf players. on the other hand specificly saying "the space wolves refused to accept ANY Primarius Marines" means space wolf players are left in the cold. my gut feeling is all the cannon chapters will be "mixed groupings" and Primarius companies and chapters will be left vague and "up to the player to decide"

If memory serves, it's been less than a century since Rynn's World, so I would say they are probably back up to half strength, since there weren't specific numbers given on total casualties. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about total fluff, because these are YOUR DUDES. This is the OPs headcannon. Me personally, I would say every chapter should have a company or two of these guys. An Astartes won't hold a defensive line as well as push an offensive. These guys seem tailored to hold a line and not give ground.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Are the Crimson fists back up to full strength in the current timeline yet? They have the advantage of sharing the IF badge so there are plenty of parts you could use.

I don't think it's been specified. my gut feeling is GW's gonna, at least at the introductionnot specify too heavily, so as to not make people feel invalidated. such as if they said "ohh there was only 1 badly depleted space wolf great company left, and Gulliman built 12 new great companies for the space wolves of new Marines" that could piss off a lot of space wolf players. on the other hand specificly saying "the space wolves refused to accept ANY Primarius Marines" means space wolf players are left in the cold. my gut feeling is all the cannon chapters will be "mixed groupings" and Primarius companies and chapters will be left vague and "up to the player to decide"

If memory serves, it's been less than a century since Rynn's World, so I would say they are probably back up to half strength, since there weren't specific numbers given on total casualties. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about total fluff, because these are YOUR DUDES. This is the OPs headcannon. Me personally, I would say every chapter should have a company or two of these guys. An Astartes won't hold a defensive line as well as push an offensive. These guys seem tailored to hold a line and not give ground.

I could see them being added to codex chapters as an 11th company. acting much like the 1st and 10th in that they typically split up and add detcvhments to battle companies on an as needed basis. truthfully iot'll be intreasting to see what happens. the man who wrote the codex is back, GW's suddenly got options in that way, if Gulliman released a "revised and expanded codex astartes" (which I suspect he'll do with the numarines in mind) it'd give GW a chance to make some tweeks to generic space marine structure without having to retcon anything

I think they will just be a straight plug and play in to previous codex positions, Brian. Just a guess though, based on the fact that whole chapters can be Primaris now.

 Rippy wrote:
I think they will just be a straight plug and play in to previous codex positions, Brian. Just a guess though, based on the fact that whole chapters can be Primaris now.

there's some evidance though as to slightly differant orginization though. the core "Tatical squad" is called an intercessor squad (fun fact. intercessor is someone whom intervenes on behalf of another. a good name for a reinforcement unit) and cannot take special stuff. (it's possiable BTW that GW is allowing "pure numarine" forces to orginize under the standard tac, assault, devestator set up, and intercessor squads are just the ones you can slap into standard Marine armies, but my gut says that won't be the case) so it's clear some orginizational changes are happening. and if so those changes will be updated and appended into the Codex Astartes (which IS a living document.)

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Are the Crimson fists back up to full strength in the current timeline yet? They have the advantage of sharing the IF badge so there are plenty of parts you could use.

I don't think it's been specified. my gut feeling is GW's gonna, at least at the introductionnot specify too heavily, so as to not make people feel invalidated. such as if they said "ohh there was only 1 badly depleted space wolf great company left, and Gulliman built 12 new great companies for the space wolves of new Marines" that could piss off a lot of space wolf players. on the other hand specificly saying "the space wolves refused to accept ANY Primarius Marines" means space wolf players are left in the cold. my gut feeling is all the cannon chapters will be "mixed groupings" and Primarius companies and chapters will be left vague and "up to the player to decide"

If memory serves, it's been less than a century since Rynn's World, so I would say they are probably back up to half strength, since there weren't specific numbers given on total casualties. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about total fluff, because these are YOUR DUDES. This is the OPs headcannon. Me personally, I would say every chapter should have a company or two of these guys. An Astartes won't hold a defensive line as well as push an offensive. These guys seem tailored to hold a line and not give ground.

According to 5th Ed SM Codex, it took 96 years for the Ultramarines to rise above 50% after the Battle for Macragge, and 116 to fully replenish it's forces. The Ultramarines have 9 worlds to recruit from as well, where the CF have just 1. I'd put their forces at 25% at absolute max.

The Celestial Lions!
They are awesome and have the added benefit of having a really cool colour scheme.

 Deadshot wrote:

According to 5th Ed SM Codex, it took 96 years for the Ultramarines to rise above 50% after the Battle for Macragge, and 116 to fully replenish it's forces. The Ultramarines have 9 worlds to recruit from as well, where the CF have just 1. I'd put their forces at 25% at absolute max.

IIRC the Crimson fists are based on Rynns world but they don't recruit from it. They have several nearby worlds with more suitable populations. But as you say Astartes recruitment is really slow even for chapters that use multiple worlds. Although even if they are at full strength the idea of painting up the new Primaris Marines as the Rogue trader cover stars still appeals.

Another Idea that's been rattling around my head since the dark Imperium preview is a Blood angels relief force. A small group of BA and successor chapter vets caught on the Terra side of the great rift, leading a force of Primaris reinforcements trying to reach Baal in time to help there brothers.

Anyway TheAdversary, post pics of your Lamenters when they are done pls

I'm tempted to do up a numarines company as the blood ravens. mostly cause everytime I sit down to game with someone I can then point at models of his I like and joke about my blood ravens borrowing it

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm tempted to do up a numarines company as the blood ravens. mostly cause everytime I sit down to game with someone I can then point at models of his I like and joke about my blood ravens borrowing it

No no, just paint them up in other chapter colours and change the chapter badges to Blood Ravens.. say that these reinforcements for the other chapters were instead "gifted" to the chapter lol

 Ginsu33 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm tempted to do up a numarines company as the blood ravens. mostly cause everytime I sit down to game with someone I can then point at models of his I like and joke about my blood ravens borrowing it

No no, just paint them up in other chapter colours and change the chapter badges to Blood Ravens.. say that these reinforcements for the other chapters were instead "gifted" to the chapter lol

well the real reason for considering blood ravens is I wanna take a break from painting in something other then Macragge Blue

 Luvvo wrote:
Emperors scythes are pretty battered right now!

Definitely on my list

 Iron_Captain wrote:
The Celestial Lions!
They are awesome and have the added benefit of having a really cool colour scheme.

Don't think I have the painting skill to pull that one off, cool chapter though.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Another Idea that's been rattling around my head since the dark Imperium preview is a Blood angels relief force. A small group of BA and successor chapter vets caught on the Terra side of the great rift, leading a force of Primaris reinforcements trying to reach Baal in time to help there brothers.

That sounds awesome.

 Rippy wrote:
Anyway TheAdversary, post pics of your Lamenters when they are done pls

Well, I haven't made up my mind just yet but don't know about the Lamenters, I'm terrible with checkerboard pattern and yellow so it'd be a challenge with my modest painting skills.

Yeah, I was just being cheeky, the checkers are tough to get straight.

ChadMarines