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With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

No idea.

It won't die, but all the people who actually care about the game will have been replaced by people who just want to push models and roll dice and children who don't know the difference by the time 9th rolls around.

Getting chewed out as the Enemy of Fun for trying to remind people that a rulebook exists or pointing out that GW's marketing language is misleading is starting to become the norm already.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

What forum are you reading..? On the whole, I'm seeing that most people are fairly happy with 8th edition. There are some dissenters, and some that don't like certain upcoming aspects, but for the most part, the forum seems pretty optimistic.

As to your question, the game will continue for as long as people remain playing. I highly doubt that GW will up and close shop out of the blue. If people are still purchasing models and books, then they will continue making said products so long as it remains profitable.

Honestly, once interactive VR blue movies become available I think all other entertainment systems are going to struggle!

I have to question what forums your reading that has a majority 8th hatred.

A vast majority of people are at least cautiously optimistic that 8th will be better than 7th. I would honestly expect there to be some growth in the player base.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I have to question what forums your reading that has a majority 8th hatred.

Some people only read the threads/comments that echo their sentiments, and base their view on that.

 Purifier wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I have to question what forums your reading that has a majority 8th hatred.

Some people only read the threads/comments that echo their sentiments, and base their view on that.

Doesn't that go both ways?

 Talamare wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I have to question what forums your reading that has a majority 8th hatred.

Some people only read the threads/comments that echo their sentiments, and base their view on that.

Doesn't that go both ways?

What, that other people only read threads and comments that are in stark contrast to their own opinions and base their view on that? I guess?

People thought the ship was sinking when they announced Unbound too.

by comparison, the reaction to gun nerfings and nu marines is a drop in the bucket.

You can't judge a single thing by these forums. It is a tiny, tiny subset of all the players. And there are some people on here who are exceedingly bitter (I'm sure with good cause).

I've only seen a few people here pissed off about 8th. Outside of these forums, i've only seen excitement.

The people with the strongest opinions tend to be the most vocal. There's no reason WH40K can't go on basically forever in one fashion or another.

The only thing that'll kill it entirely is if another company buys up GW and shuts them down because they're competition.

 Marmatag wrote:
I've only seen a few people here pissed off about 8th. Outside of these forums, i've only seen excitement.

And let's be honest, many of the doomsayers are nearly histrionic.

"OMG I can't roll on three different tables in two different books to see if my tank is destroyed by shrubbery, this game is so dumbed down and unrealistic! SIIIIIIIGGMMMARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!"

I was one who at first glance was hesitant over the initial changes coming in 8th. These I will admit were based on AOS and the loss of fluff. That being said and further research have found most people are relatively opotomistic about 8th, especially with the whole 7th debacle. You will always have those who hate change, and scream foul. I don't see GW going anywhere anytime soon as their fan base is IMO growing, and with the versatality of 8th I believe it will appeal to more and more players.

 Kroem wrote:
Honestly, once interactive VR blue movies become available I think all other entertainment systems are going to struggle!

Exactly. That's why ever since chess was released in a digital form you never see people playing chess on a chessboard.

I would say the painting part of the hobby drives more sales than the gaming part.

Right now, at this very moment, at this time, at this hour, at's coming, right now, blacking out your screen, bye.

Been around 30 years, why not 30 more?
With advances in moulds/3-d designs, bigger production runs, paints/airbrushes etc theres no limit model wise.
Just depends on how GW decides to keep peoples interests with new fluff/rules and editions.

If they continue to listen/engage with the community as they have been doing theres no end really.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
It won't die, but all the people who actually care about the game will have been replaced by people who just want to push models and roll dice and children who don't know the difference by the time 9th rolls around.

Getting chewed out as the Enemy of Fun for trying to remind people that a rulebook exists or pointing out that GW's marketing language is misleading is starting to become the norm already.

This seems about right.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

People have been pissed about the New Edition, whichever edition that was, for the last 10 years

4th to 5th, 2008, I recall moaning about how you could no longer consolidate into a new combat and have a squad of genestealers roll through a parking lot of IG, and vehicles becoming way too survivable

5th to 6th, there was moaning of the survivability of vehicles being nerfed into the ground, the randomness everywhere, forging the narrative and the move towards a definitive beer and pretzels ruleset, flyers, fortifications, tables upon tables while you played on tables (dawg).

6th to 7th was complaints on how no rule was really addressed, it was a rehash edition with no real changes, the OPness of Psykers, Lords of War.

7th to 8th will be no different.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

Who's pissed about eighth?? Nobody I know.
It'll still be about in another 30 years as there will always be people who prefer this kind of hobby/craft based game. It'll just keep having to reinvent itself to stay fresh.
I could however see Games Workshop disappearing and there games systems and models becoming internet based only, but that's a different topic

It's hard for me to be objective about 6/7 th, but I like most of what I see in 8th. I knew it wouldn't be 100% agreement with my views,though.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth

Huh? 8E is beating 7E something like 5:1 - way better than when 6E replaced 5E or 3E replaced 2E.

The only complaints I've seen about 8th is specific things: Battle Cannons are still meh, elite MSU are going to dominate, morale is going to hurt hordes badly, etc. But those are just gripes, everbody I've met (dispite what they may think about the new systems, AoSifying) is looking forward to something and is optimistic, our group for one is going to greet 8th with open arms since we having been playing as much since 7th came around.

I'm looking forward to Night Lords and Daemon Lord shenanigans.
Our Ork player is gushing over the new Morkanaught.
The DA/Knight player loves the nu-marines.
The Guard player is looking forward to running ranks and ranks of Leman Russ'.
The Eldar players LOVE Khaine.
The oldest of our group is excited because he managed to get a LOT of rubrics, cheap, and is going to run them with his sorcerors.

The only player who isn't happy is the BA player (but he's never happy) although he also plays Necrons so I'll see what he thinks about the new barge.

Overall, we're (reservedly) excited!

Count me as another "what are you talking about, OP?" 8th Ed seems to have mostly positive reaction so far.

Edited by Moderator.

Rule Number One is Be Polite.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
It won't die, but all the people who actually care about the game will have been replaced by people who just want to push models and roll dice and children who don't know the difference by the time 9th rolls around.

Getting chewed out as the Enemy of Fun for trying to remind people that a rulebook exists or pointing out that GW's marketing language is misleading is starting to become the norm already.

People have been making basically the exact same complaint on the internet since at least 3rd ed.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

One things for certain: far longer than the lowest point of 7E.

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

lol, pissed about 8th? Most of the people I interact with are eagerly awaiting 8th after the crapshow that 7th was.