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Via GW facebook stream. That pretty much answered that.

EDIT: I went back and listened again. It's real. They are going to slowly phase out retro marines.

Embrace the future, brothers and sisters.

 3orangewhips wrote:
Via GW facebook stream. That pretty much answered that.

EDIT: I went back and listened again. It's real. They are going to slowly phase out retro marines.

Embrace the future, brothers and sisters.

Dont see how its a full on replacement.

Marines still need to be made, they probably still need to be trained and gain a butt load of experience so there will always be a stock of "normal" marines running around. and there is always the potential that the upgrade booster shot is for the most part limited or slow to produce.

i for one however am glad that they are not a new fresh from the vat marines but rather upgrades. it doesnt cheapen what marines are and did and i find that cool.

They said the first generation was from Mars, but chapters can opt to create them, and existing Marines (i.e. Ragnar Blackmane) can become Primaris marines.

I for one welcome our new Primaris Overlords.

calling it here, the first "Primaris character" will be Cato Siciruas.

Can? Does that mean they all are? I liked the idea of the being tube-born Thunder Warriors who were detached from their humanity and had the potential to become blood-thirsty killers and threats to their own allies.

Maybe it's just my Primaris Marines then...

So this either confirms that:

(a) You can play your regular marines "counts-as" Primaris Marines

or (not xor)

(b) You can pay an upgrade cost to turn a marine into a Primaris Marine

 3orangewhips wrote:
They said the first generation was from Mars, but chapters can opt to create them, and existing Marines (i.e. Ragnar Blackmane) can become Primaris marines.

This was the one thing I'd been wondering, how they'd keep existing and popular space marine characters around if they were planning to upgrade them all to Primaris eventually.

I'm telling you, squatty marines have been Squatted. It's all Primaris from here on in.

 Marmatag wrote:
So this either confirms that:

(a) You can play your regular marines "counts-as" Primaris Marines

or (not xor)

(b) You can pay an upgrade cost to turn a marine into a Primaris Marine

more likely it's a fluff thing. (although counts as Primaris is fine so long as they don't have radically differant base sizes and you're not playing under strict matched play. but truthfully I expect a lotta people to end up with a casual gaming hybrid narrative/matched set up) partiuclarly to justify making characters into primarius Marines.

we also dunno the full creation sequence it could simply be an update. the first generation could simply be the Marines whom Accompanied Gulliman to Terra. is so that would mean the first generation could consist of elements from The Ultramarines, the progenitor chapters (2nd founding Ultramarines chapters) and possiably elements of the Raven Guard, White Scars, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Black Templars. (although I think the black templars all died)

that'd cover most of the big name bases so strikes me as a good possiability. and if it's an upgrade procedure it DOES address the biggest concern I have with these Marines.

I predict that depends on the popularity of these models. The thing is, I think they are going to be very popular.

Interested to see how this will work with Greyknights.

All hail the Primaris marines

Poor Legion of the Damned will be stuck in midget marine mode.

 JohnU wrote:
Poor Legion of the Damned will be stuck in midget marine mode.

That's why they're damned.

Azrael Primaris mode? That will be a good oportunity to give him a new model!

 Galas wrote:
Azrael Primaris mode? That will be a good oportunity to give him a new model!

thats kinda my feeling. I have a hunch we're gonna see at least one character specificly given the update. remember Cato Sicarus specificly accompanies Gulliman to Terra, I'd not be suprised AT ALL to see him given a new mini and an update.

I can't say this is much of a surprise. GW is now able to "push" the story by removing lackluster characters and update new ones to Primaris Super Sayan mode.

I can see the entire line-up being 5-10 years in the progress though. All you do is release a larger, Primaris sized model for new characters and they can simply be used as the old ones or given advanced stats.

Well, I'm glad I didn't rebase my Marines yet. I'll be keeping them on their 25mm bases, and just gluing those onto 32mm bases to increase their height up to being on par with the Primaris.

That, or just keep them on their 25mm bases as is, to help keep them easily distinguishable from the Primaris Marines. I was planning on creating a Successor Chapter to my home-brewed Chapter anyways, and may just use the new Primaris Marines for all of the new models.

I'm really disliking the fluff direction now, as GW has effectively written their own way out of undesirable situations. Now popular characters can still remain relevant by being upgraded to Primaris Marines. It also basically means that if Primaris Marines become popular, there would be no reason to completely wipe out the old marines except for maybe a handful of traitors, while if Primaris Marines prove unpopular they can then dovetail and say that the upgrade isn't manditory.

It leaves them with a lot of options, but it's poor writing imo. They're trying to have the best of both worlds.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm really disliking the fluff direction now, as GW has effectively written their own way out of undesirable situations. Now popular characters can still remain relevant by being upgraded to Primaris Marines. It also basically means that if Primaris Marines become popular, there would be no reason to completely wipe out the old marines except for maybe a handful of traitors, while if Primaris Marines prove unpopular they can then dovetail and say that the upgrade isn't manditory.

It leaves them with a lot of options, but it's poor writing imo. They're trying to have the best of both worlds.

seems smart thinking to me. also if it is an upgrade, no reason Marines can't be upgraded from the start, or later on.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm really disliking the fluff direction now, as GW has effectively written their own way out of undesirable situations. Now popular characters can still remain relevant by being upgraded to Primaris Marines. It also basically means that if Primaris Marines become popular, there would be no reason to completely wipe out the old marines except for maybe a handful of traitors, while if Primaris Marines prove unpopular they can then dovetail and say that the upgrade isn't manditory.

It leaves them with a lot of options, but it's poor writing imo. They're trying to have the best of both worlds.

I can agree with that, at least up to the primarchs but i honestly dont mind the adeptus restartes, i think its the smart choice and a great way to upgrade the line without invalidating the old line.

i HOPE to god they update the old line to big better scaled though. at least eventually. i dont think iv read anything that says the new marines are supposed to be extra tall than normal marines.

All the art I've seen show that the Nu-Marines have the same proportions as the old marines, so either they're suppose to have ginormous heads that aren't depicted on the models, or that the nu-marine scale isn't an indication of their genetic superiority, but the new scale for marines in general.

Nu-marines are bigger, better and faster that the standart Space Marines, but with this "upgrade" option they can just make Special Characters Primaris and pass away all the normal Space Marines in some years to the future.

And without a "Secondaris Marines" to compare, the Primaris Marines will be just the new standart marines, so we'll go back to the same status quo as before.

Basically, this was the only form that GW could do a relaunch of the Space Marines range in a bigger scale without going bankrupt.
Think about it, what if they release 2-3 boxes of Space Marines in a new scale? No one will buy other boxes of Marines, they'll wait for the new re-scaled version. And that can last for years. GW can't survive yeras without the Space Marines-line sales.

Sorry, nope. Just got Geigor Fell-Hand to serve as my Space Wolves "13th Company" Wolf Lord (though it'll be a normal Great Company now, though it functions the same in the new setting). My whole force of marines are staying true sons of Fenris, like any good Space Wolf.

I bet my chapter is going to hate that idea, their whole identity is them based on the fact they are flawed. (my own chapter).

I do think it would be unnecessary wierd for them to take in help from Robute so easily. But it would mean one of my chapters could come back from the grave so. Theres that.

I do like this idea alot though it is actually quite cool.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I bet my chapter is going to hate that idea, their whole identity is them based on the fact they are flawed. (my own chapter).

I do think it would be unnecessary wierd for them to take in help from Robute so easily. But it would mean one of my chapters could come back from the grave so. Theres that.

I do like this idea alot though it is actually quite cool.

well apparently Primaris Marines will still have the flaws of their parent chapter. no magic "cures by Gulliman" there. the more we know about this the more this seems to be simply "adding some new implants onto the existing marines" in scope, rather then a complete redevelopment of Astartes.

Chaos could shut this whole thing down by hijacking the shipments of upsized power pants.

So are chaos just going to remain short?

Or are they going to steal the Primaris powers.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm really disliking the fluff direction now, as GW has effectively written their own way out of undesirable situations. Now popular characters can still remain relevant by being upgraded to Primaris Marines. It also basically means that if Primaris Marines become popular, there would be no reason to completely wipe out the old marines except for maybe a handful of traitors, while if Primaris Marines prove unpopular they can then dovetail and say that the upgrade isn't manditory.

It leaves them with a lot of options, but it's poor writing imo. They're trying to have the best of both worlds.

Yeah, feeling the same-- super hedging their bets, making for a pretty lame idea in the process.