Why do Chaos marines not use scouts?

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**TheLumberJack**

Some of my favorite units in all of 40k are the scout, ranger, or pathfinder profession. But CSM don't have these sort of advanced recon units. Why is that? Is there a fluff reason? Surely they have converted marine scouts to chaos before

**BrianDavion**

I imagine they use heretic spies, summoned deamons, or sorcery to investigate that

**Galas**

For the same reason they don't use Drop pods... GW don't want it.

"TODAY I DECLARE OUR SECCESION FROM THE IMPERIUM, FROM THIS DAY TO THE DAY WE DIE, WE WILL FIGHT FOR CHAOS!"

"Yes, for Chao-!"
"Not so fast Brother Sergeant Ilmantios, Scouts aren't allowed to join Chaos"
"W-what?! B-but... I'll even kill my oun squad mates because they didn't want to be corrupted!"
"Ish... I know, I know... probably I should say it to yourself before you did that but... "
"I hate you Captain"
"Good, you'll have to, because you are going back to the Imperium!"

**BrianDavion**

Galas wrote:
For the same reason they don't use Drop pods... GW don't want it.

in fairness I can't imagine many chaos marines would willfully wear less armor and scout out so their companions can grab the glory

**Galas**

BrianDavion wrote:
Galas wrote:
For the same reason they don't use Drop pods... GW don't want it.

in fairness I can't imagine many chaos marines would willfully wear less armor and scout out so their companions can grab the glory

Night Lords... not every Chaos Marine is a Khorne Berzerker you know?

**epronovost**

Were there Scout Space Marines during the Horus Heresy? If not, that's why there is no Scout in their ranks. On the other side, why would they not have developped some. They would be much more useful to them than to the imperium since they are less numerous. Guerilla warfare in tough when you're in suit that makes lots of noise.

**TheLumberJack**

epronovost wrote:
Were there Scout Space Marines during the Horus Heresy? If not, that's why there is no Scout in their ranks. On the other side, why would they not have developped some. They would be much more useful to them than to the imperium since they are less numerous. Guerilla warfare in tough when you're in suit that makes lots of noise.

Tons of chapters have turned after the heresy though, so I would imagine some scouts have joined chaos. And yeah guerrilla warfare for chaos makes sense

**Nightlord1987**

It's just a part of the whole differentiating Loyalist and chaos thing even though Loyalist keep finding all these ancient weapons and CSM are stuck with plasma and melta.

**BrianDavion**

Nightlord1987 wrote:
It's just a part of the whole differentiating Loyalist and chaos thing even though Loyalist keep finding all these ancient weapons and CSM are stuck with plasma and melta.

with any luck that'll change with 8th edition, as marines can now get their new "Cawltech!" and chaos can be given old ehresy stuff.

**MechaEmperor7000**

As I understood it, Chaos Marines are a greedy lot. I would assume anyone in scout armor was probably killed unceremoniously or obtained a suit of power armor and wore it because no more rules (either he scavenged it from a fallen marines or, less likely, stabbed the current owner and took it). Anyone without Scout Armor are probably not deemed worthy enough to join warbands, kicked out, or just doesn't show up with the rest of the force.

**BrianDavion**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
As I understood it, Chaos Marines are a greedy lot. I would assume anyone in scout armor was probably killed unceremoniously or obtained a suit of power armor and wore it because no more rules (either he scavenged it from a fallen marines or, less likely, stabbed the current owner and took it). Anyone without Scout Armor are probably not deemed worthy enough to join warbands, kicked out, or just doesn't show up with the rest of the force.

another thing to consider, chaos marines may not BE ABLE to remove their armor. their armor tends to emrge with them

**TheLumberJack**

BrianDavion wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
As I understood it, Chaos Marines are a greedy lot. I would assume anyone in scout armor was probably killed unceremoniously or obtained a suit of power armor and wore it because no more rules (either he scavenged it from a fallen marines or, less likely, stabbed the current owner and took it). Anyone without Scout Armor are probably not deemed worthy enough to join warbands, kicked out, or just doesn't show up with the rest of the force.

another thing to consider, chaos marines may not BE ABLE to remove their armor. their armor tends to emrge with them

I've never been a fan of that piece of fluff, so in my head they don't fuse to their armor

**MechaEmperor7000**

That and this is the current fluff for Chaos Terminators; they either find a suit or shank the current wearer.

**BrianDavion**

TheLumberJack wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
As I understood it, Chaos Marines are a greedy lot. I would assume anyone in scout armor was probably killed unceremoniously or obtained a suit of power armor and wore it because no more rules (either he scavenged it from a fallen marines or, less likely, stabbed the current owner and took it). Anyone without Scout Armor are probably not deemed worthy enough to join warbands, kicked out, or just doesn't show up with the rest of the force.

another thing to consider, chaos marines may not BE ABLE to remove their armor. their armor tends to emrge with them

I've never been a fan of that piece of fluff, so in my head they don't fuse to their armor

Maybe but given it's offical it might explain the lack of scouts as well.

**Galas**

But it doesn't explain the lack of scouts in all the renegade Chaos Chapters. And not ALL Chaos marines are fussed with their armour, only the most corrupted ones.

GW can try to give it a fluff explanation but the reality is that they don't have scouts for , I assume, thematical and balance reasons.

**epronovost**

Galas wrote:
But it doesn't explain the lack of scouts in all the renegade Chaos Chapters. And not ALL Chaos marines are fussed with their armour, only the most corrupted ones.

GW can try to give it a fluff explanation but the reality is that they don't have it for , I assume, thematical and balance reasons.

It would be bad for their game to have one army have ALL the options of another one plus some of its own. Chaos Space Marines need to be different than their loyalist counterpart, but that's one I would have let them have.

**jeff white**

No good reason it seems. Another reason to run chaos as just twisted space marines instead of chaos by the codex.

**MagicJuggler**

Aren't Scouts still Scouts because they're still waiting for the Black Carapace to fully mature so they can interface with Power Armor proper?

**MechaEmperor7000**

Space Wolf Neophytes are fielded as Blood Claws with full Power Armor, so that theory is moot.

**Oldmike**

30k has scouts hell thousand sons have superior ones as well as regular scouts the only reason I see chaos can't get them is to stop them from having a cheep troop with small footprint

**Galas**

MagicJuggler wrote:
Aren't Scouts still Scouts because they're still waiting for the Black Carapace to fully mature so they can interface with Power Armor proper?

It depends of the chapter. Normally the new space marines are Scouts, but Space Wolves scouts are actually normally the most veterans ones, for example.

**Wyzilla**

Scouts are used specifically because of the Codex to help weed out chaos taint by dragging the process of creation on. Chaos obviously doesn't really care for this, so they have no reason to not to produce Astartes at the fastest rate possible.

**epronovost**

MagicJuggler wrote:
Aren't Scouts still Scouts because they're still waiting for the Black Carapace to fully mature so they can interface with Power Armor proper?

Technically yes, but it would be the same thing for Chaos Space Marines, plus some Chapters use fully trained Space Marine in that role like the Space Wolves or the Raptors.

**MurderKing**

They carry out reconnaissance missions, and perform the functions of scouts, while wearing power armor. Some warbands may use scouts in the same way that loyalists does. There's plenty of renegade chapters that might still have kept their old modus operandi of using scouts too. Also, as stated earlier, the Traitor forces do not have to wait until they install the black carapace. They want more Astartes and they want them now. The recon assets probably vary greatly between legion/ warband.

**Manchu**

I thought Scouts were another innovation of Codex Astartes, specifically as part of the 1000-man structure of Chapters. I don't remember hearing about Scouts among the Legions.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Because you can't give every SM unit to CSM as they're supposed to be two separate armies.

**MurderKing**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Because you can't give every SM unit to CSM as they're supposed to be two separate armies.

The Legions had scouts. Pretty sure Talos was a scout.

**Manchu**

I don't recall that. I only have the first of FW's HH books but I also don't recall scouts on the Legion org chart.

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BTW here is a pic of that chart:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BZRT6jGlo34/Vs5asOfddTI/AAAAAAAAANQ/UGKycRWj06c/s1600/IMG_1308.jpg

**MurderKing**

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MKIV-Recon-Squad

^Scouts

**Manchu**

Ah you just mean sneaky guys in PA, sure.