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So, let me say first off that I am not a fan of the new primaris marines. I wanted Thunder Warriors with rage/destabilizing flaws. But, on to the topic at hand. I have seen a fair amount of comments talking about the absurdity of making new, larger marine models. I have to say that it isn't that insane when you consider that Ogryns are abhumans, simply humans that due to environmental factors developed into massively hulking beasts, already larger than an old marine by many times (the model) and still larger than the primaris marines (in terms of sheer bulk). What say ye?
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You are straying dangerously close to heresy Citizen. You should present yourself to the nearest Imperial Doctrine Education Clinic for continuing education treatment. These doubts you are having about the new saviors of the Imperium and comparing them to those things are disquieting at best, and heresy, punishable by execution at worst. Reeducation is your only salvation now.
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Primaris marines are an abomination they aren't even abhumans. They are designed by a Xenos pawn and a heretek slug both pretending to be the rightful rulers of the IoM better men have been excommunicated for these sins. Its time to purge them and their creators with fire.
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oldzoggy wrote: Primaris marines a an abomination they aren't even abhumans. They are designed by a Xenos pawn and a heretek slug both pretending to be the rightful rulers of the IoM better men have been excommunicated for these sins.
Its time to purge them and their creators with fire.
Someone that has seen what I have seen behind the imperial propaganda.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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Grumblewartz wrote: So, let me say first off that I am not a fan of the new primaris marines. I wanted Thunder Warriors with rage/destabilizing flaws. But, on to the topic at hand. I have seen a fair amount of comments talking about the absurdity of making new, larger marine models. I have to say that it isn't that insane when you consider that Ogryns are abhumans, simply humans that due to environmental factors developed into massively hulking beasts, already larger than an old marine by many times (the model) and still larger than the primaris marines (in terms of sheer bulk). What say ye?
There is a big difference between millennia of environmentally induced evolution and a decade or so of genetic modification. To make a Primaris Marine as big as they are would kill the patient through either nutrition deprivation, multiple organ failure, overextension of the muscles, fatal destruction the the skeletal structure or just sheer agony. Or any combination of the above.
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Tamwulf wrote: You are straying dangerously close to heresy Citizen. You should present yourself to the nearest Imperial Doctrine Education Clinic for continuing education treatment. These doubts you are having about the new saviors of the Imperium and comparing them to those things are disquieting at best, and heresy, punishable by execution at worst. Reeducation is your only salvation now.
Tamwulf wrote: You are straying dangerously close to heresy Citizen. You should present yourself to the nearest Imperial Doctrine Education Clinic for continuing education treatment. These doubts you are having about the new saviors of the Imperium and comparing them to those things are disquieting at best, and heresy, punishable by execution at worst. Reeducation is your only salvation now.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Grumblewartz wrote: So, let me say first off that I am not a fan of the new primaris marines. I wanted Thunder Warriors with rage/destabilizing flaws. But, on to the topic at hand. I have seen a fair amount of comments talking about the absurdity of making new, larger marine models. I have to say that it isn't that insane when you consider that Ogryns are abhumans, simply humans that due to environmental factors developed into massively hulking beasts, already larger than an old marine by many times (the model) and still larger than the primaris marines (in terms of sheer bulk). What say ye?
There is a big difference between millennia of environmentally induced evolution and a decade or so of genetic modification. To make a Primaris Marine as big as they are would kill the patient through either nutrition deprivation, multiple organ failure, overextension of the muscles, fatal destruction the the skeletal structure or just sheer agony. Or any combination of the above.
course if we're going to bring SCIENCE into this, Tyranids should pretty much collapse into themselves as well
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
That though assumes they obey this galaxies biological rules and structures.
The fact they can construct capilliary towers that reach lower atmospheric levels proves they dont.
I think this was from Gothic
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By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
Grumblewartz wrote: Ogryns are abhumans, simply humans that due to environmental factors developed into massively hulking beasts,
No they aren't. They were engineered into that with Dark Age technologies to fit into those environments.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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Ratius wrote: That though assumes they obey this galaxies biological rules and structures.
The fact they can construct capilliary towers that reach lower atmospheric levels proves they dont.
I'm not talking biology rules, I'm talking simple physics apparently once you get above a certain side, an exo-skelliton wouldn;t support your body mass. This is just one example, 40k isn't ABOUT realism, it's about fun.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Not debating that Just pointing out that Nids are truly extra galactic and perhaps their physiology defies even this galaxies laws of physics.
How do Wraithlords walk with agility as good as their own foot troopers? Space magic and fun again.
Ork super Squiggoths? Orks that fight and grow to tank sized proportions? Space magic.
I never equate realism to 40k stuff, just positing an idea
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
Ratius wrote: Not debating that Just pointing out that Nids are truly extra galactic and perhaps their physiology defies even this galaxies laws of physics.
How do Wraithlords walk with agility as good as their own foot troopers? Space magic and fun again.
Ork super Squiggoths? Orks that fight and grow to tank sized proportions? Space magic.
I never equate realism to 40k stuff, just positing an idea
right every army tends to have at least one thing that takes the laws of physics out behind the woodshed. 40k owes more to star wars then 2001 if you take my meaning
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
So this is what primaris marines are? I thought that they were just going to be a new mega-chapter of regular space marines.
Them being bigger than regular space marines makes little sense. The emperor had a bunch of genetic architects under his employ. But somehow Rowboat can just whip them up no bother somehow at a level better than the Big E despite technology having been stagnant and him being in a deep freeze for 10,000 years.
But what can you do, GW's inability to get away from the "New" space marines formula is the turd that won't flush. The moment you think it's gone back up it comes.
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Madoch1 wrote: So this is what primaris marines are? I thought that they were just going to be a new mega-chapter of regular space marines.
Them being bigger than regular space marines makes little sense. The emperor had a bunch of genetic architects under his employ. But somehow Rowboat can just whip them up no bother somehow at a level better than the Big E despite technology having been stagnant and him being in a deep freeze for 10,000 years.
But what can you do, GW's inability to get away from the "New" space marines formula is the turd that won't flush. The moment you think it's gone back up it comes.
except this project has been in the works since shortly after the Heresy (when Gulliman was the defacto leader of the IoM, if not in effect Emperor, he was certainly the Prime Minister) chances are a lot of those "genetic architects in the Emperor's employ" ended up working for Gulliman under Cawl. Also the emperor didn't design the Space Marines to be the absolute BEST, he designed them to be "good eneugh". the need to create better Marines makes plenty of sense in the aftermath of the Heresy. buty during the great crusade, Marines clearly had no need to be better. So look at it this way, Cawl and company have been working ten thousand years, with access to the Emperor's notes, documentation and laboratories most likely (assuming they wheren't all destroyed in the seige) and they produced Marines that are better, but not exceptionally so.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Grumblewartz wrote: Ogryns are abhumans, simply humans that due to environmental factors developed into massively hulking beasts,
No they aren't. They were engineered into that with Dark Age technologies to fit into those environments.
Cool, I didn't know about that little bit.
Either way, I brought up the point only in regards to the size of the models and/or their size in the fluff. Either way, I am definitely converting ogryn into Thunder warriors to represent numarines.
Active armies, still collecting and painting First and greatest love - Orks, Orks, and more Orks largest pile of shame, so many tanks unassembled most complete and painted beautiful models, couldn't resist the swarm will consume all
Armies in disrepair: nothing new since 5th edition oh how I want to revive, but mostly old fantasy demons and some glorious Soul Grinders in need of love
First and greatest love - Orks, Orks, and more Orks 
largest pile of shame, so many tanks unassembled 
most complete and painted 
beautiful models, couldn't resist 
the swarm will consume all
nothing new since 5th edition 
oh how I want to revive, but mostly old fantasy demons and some glorious Soul Grinders 
in need of love 
bag!"
200pts Order of Ash and Silver
