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Made in pl
Regular Dakkanaut






Greetings.
I felt a little bit inspired after the preview of new starter box hit and now I am 100% sure that I want to start collecting the new Primaris Marines. I decided to create a new Chapter called the Dice Casters. Hope it is a nice read.
Any comments are welcome and necessary, as I explore the vast lore of Space Marines of which I have little to no idea of, as I am mostly a Mechanicus fan.

Dice Casters is a relatively young Chapter. Formed entirely out Primaris Marines from the gene-seed stock of Imperial Fists they are eager to prove that they are above and beyond any expectations befalling the new generations of Sons of Dorn. Chapter was created largely due to strategic prognostication of the high ranking Cardinals who forwarded their concerns to the Ecclesiarch himself. Believed to be no mere coincidence but the will the Emperor the High Lords of Terra decided to found a new Chapter in hopes of preventing yet unknown disaster.

Their colours consist of black armour with dark brown recesses and brass trimmings. Their Chapter symbol is brown and black checker on either or both of their pauldrons.

Due to belief that they were fated by the Emperor to do great things the Dice Casters are known for the particularly strong tendencies to resort to the Emperors judgment in form of casting of dice when contemplating on problem at hand. The result of complicated ritual is to be followed without question. To make sure that the ritual is not compromised by the forces of Chaos or mere chance every Company Captain is supplied with a holy artifacts much revered throughout the Chapter – set of consecrated dice carved from the bones of an Imperial martyr.

Maybe because of that tendency forces of Dice Casters are made to be flexible on the battlefield (you never know what kind of tactic the Emperor favour that day). Formed in small squads with additional support of heavy armament mounted on their transport, they are taught to be as versatile in the ever changing geometry of warfare as possible. Be it fast hit and run, guerilla warfare or siege, the Dice Casters are surely to adapt their tactics accordingly.

Though fleet based, they were tasked with patrolling the Azar Sector in Segmentum Tempestus, quickly becoming fond of the Agri Worlds that fill the sector, much to Adeptus Mechanicus displease. Previously the only one reaping the gains from these worlds Mechanicus was quite bitter about having to yield part of the materials for the entirely new Chapter while also fearing the destabilization that their recruitment methods would sow in the Knight Houses organization. Due to these concerns a deal was struck – the Dice Casters would not recruit from the nobles of the planets, instead resorting to recruitment from the common folk and even peasantry. This way the nobles would end up protecting the Agri Worlds as Knights pilots under the rule of the Mechanicus and the Chapter would be able to draw from the much larger pool of men living in much more strained environment. Though not perfect, with some of the Knights claiming superiority to Space Marines recruits coming from the planets and Mechanicus still having to deal with Chapter “leeching” precious resources it was deemed a necessary evil.

Although their the Chapter motto reads: -Alea Iacta Est- (The die is cast) it is not used as their battle cry. Instead you can hear phrases such as “We are the Emperors fated” or “Emperor favours the bold”.

What do you think? Done good or done goofed? Should I expand the lore behind them?
   
Made in us
Snord




Midwest USA

*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).
   
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 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).


Dies, as in something similar to the moulds that are used to make, I don't know, little figurines. I think it is a very clever play on words.

That being said, I don't like the premise, but I think that is more to do with my view on 40k fluff and 'how things should be.' I prefer my fluff to be more gritty, more realistic, more immersive - but like I say, that's my view on it, I can certainly see where you are coming from, and a lot of people will like it, its just not my cup of tea.

What I would say (baring in mind my take on fluff), it seems that your primaris marines have established themselves and a way of fighting very quickly, I see primaris marines as new and still 'trying to find themselves and their style.' Also, the random nature doesn't really fit with my image of Space Marines in general.

Well, that's my view on the lore

Currently working on a Hive World Imperial Guard 'Codex' - You can find the WIP here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/711392.page

'My Sword'
'Where did you leave it'
'In the back of a Primarch'

Cookie if you can remind me who said that 
   
Made in pl
Regular Dakkanaut






 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).


When I studied few years ago we were told that the die being cast meant "we are at point of no return" - a point where all bets are set and players both "casted" (rolled) their dies - only thing that left is to see who wins. I don't know which version is correct tbh, it is just what I was told at unversity (thought I didn't study Classical history, it was just a side lecture). Besides the "Alea iacta est" literally points to the game backgammon as alea points to a game of chance.

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Made in gr
Longtime Dakkanaut




Halandri

Famed for their battlecry 'Anything but a one'!
   
Made in us
Snord




Midwest USA

 Kandela wrote:
Spoiler:
 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).
When I studied few years ago we were told that the die being cast meant "we are at point of no return" - a point where all bets are set and players both "casted" (rolled) their dies - only thing that left is to see who wins. I don't know which version is correct tbh, it is just what I was told at unversity (thought I didn't study Classical history, it was just a side lecture). Besides the "Alea iacta est" literally points to the game backgammon as alea points to a game of chance.
Which that is the key point of the phrase, yes. Here we are, and here we go, no turning back now. Roll a die, and the result is what you get. Cast a miniature in a die (mold), and get what comes out. Dye a shirt, and the color is stuck. Caesar knew that if he proceeded, he would not be able to take it back and say "Oops, sorry!"

Looking over your fluff again, I get the idea that they would be "random" in making their plans and strategies, but they would be stubborn and fixed when engaging their forces, as they adhere to that particular "casting of the die". What do they do? Consult the tables, and stick to them when they know what has been cast before them. Sounds like something we could see in 40K as an alternative to the draconian bureaucracy of the Imperium at large that take forever to make a decision.

Over all, I like the premise. Keep it up!
   
Made in pl
Regular Dakkanaut






nareik wrote:
Famed for their battlecry 'Anything but a one'!

That's gonna be my go to battlecry whenever my Hellblasters shoot a plasma weapon
   
Made in us
Sinewy Scourge




Boulder, Colorado

 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).


I always thought that it was a way of saying that there isn't any going back from here? But that's just from taking Latin for the length of high school (like the language, not the history) so I could very well be wrong

   
Made in us
Snord




Midwest USA

 gummyofallbears wrote:
Spoiler:
 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).
I always thought that it was a way of saying that there isn't any going back from here? But that's just from taking Latin for the length of high school (like the language, not the history) so I could very well be wrong
No, you are correct. I just went a little deep on explaining too much, I think. That is the point of the phrase, that there is no turning back. I was just pointing out what I remember my Latin professor telling me about the specifics of the vocabulary.
   
Made in us
Sinewy Scourge




Boulder, Colorado

 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
 gummyofallbears wrote:
Spoiler:
 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).
I always thought that it was a way of saying that there isn't any going back from here? But that's just from taking Latin for the length of high school (like the language, not the history) so I could very well be wrong
No, you are correct. I just went a little deep on explaining too much, I think. That is the point of the phrase, that there is no turning back. I was just pointing out what I remember my Latin professor telling me about the specifics of the vocabulary.


Interesting, I learned that it was a gambling metaphor but thats from a public high school years ago

   
Made in us
Snord




Midwest USA

 gummyofallbears wrote:
 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
 gummyofallbears wrote:
Spoiler:
 BunkhouseBuster wrote:
*puts on Classical studies major hat*



When Caesar used that phrase in antiquity, it was when he was marching his army onto Rome itself, the culmination of many political factors leading to the Roman Civil war that ended the Republic, but created the Empire.

And it says the die is cast, yes. But, if my memory serves me correctly, the die that it is referring to is typically believed to be a mold from which items are cast into shape and created. Ever hear of die-cast cars? That is likely what Caesar was referring to before making his historical attack. I'm not familiar with the Latin word for dice as in the random-number-generator-cubes, but thanks to the English language, it works both ways! (Heck, you can even say that the DYE is cast!)

The point of the phrase in any case is that things have been set, and are going to happen. It would be similar to using a card playing metaphor, "play the cards you are dealt." Caesar was the one dealing the cards in this case, as he was making the even happen, "casting the the die".

/

I hope that helps! I do like the idea of tying in Roman and Greek history and mythology into everything Imperium of Man, considering how those ancient cultures influenced nearly everything in the world today. I plan on collecting some Primaris Marines and painting them to look like Roman Legionaries (silver, red and gold trim).
I always thought that it was a way of saying that there isn't any going back from here? But that's just from taking Latin for the length of high school (like the language, not the history) so I could very well be wrong
No, you are correct. I just went a little deep on explaining too much, I think. That is the point of the phrase, that there is no turning back. I was just pointing out what I remember my Latin professor telling me about the specifics of the vocabulary.
Interesting, I learned that it was a gambling metaphor but thats from a public high school years ago
I hadn't heard of it used in that way, but it makes sense. English, in all it's eccentricities, gave us 2 direct ways that this Roman phrase can be translated, and both work equally well, and BOTH work extra well in the case of die-cast models in a game using dice that are cast. That's some deep Inception stuff right there!

I think I need to get me a Ty-DYED shirt to come full triangle here
   
Made in au
Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine





Are you going to attempt making molds for custom stuff? I really adore the idea of DIY chapters, but the offical chapter upgrade kits prevent me from creating one, I just don't fee the benefit when you miss out on so much extra kit for Marines and vehicles.
   
Made in pl
Regular Dakkanaut






 Ginsu33 wrote:
Are you going to attempt making molds for custom stuff? I really adore the idea of DIY chapters, but the offical chapter upgrade kits prevent me from creating one, I just don't fee the benefit when you miss out on so much extra kit for Marines and vehicles.

I'm going to try and freehand the checkers on pauldrons, knee-pads and vehicles as making them out of greenstuff would look weird in my opinion. I am quite proficient in making stuff using my insta-mold though, guess I will have a go at it when the release of new box hits - always wanted to make a set of fluffy dies hanging from the boltguns of my Space Marines
   
Made in au
Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine





Hmm, maybe you should take this to the next logical level..

Primaris Royal Chapter.

First Co. Kings (Crown on the pad/knee)
Second Co. Hearts (heart on the pad/kee)
Thrid Co. Diamonds (same as above you get the idea)
Fourth Co. Clubs
Fifth Co. Spades

Primaris Royal ChapterMaster: JOKER!

Slay one, Slay all! Watch as the Ball of FAITH circles the wheel of JUDGEMENT, where will it lfall BROTHERS?!

   
Made in pl
Regular Dakkanaut






 Ginsu33 wrote:
Hmm, maybe you should take this to the next logical level..

Primaris Royal Chapter.

First Co. Kings (Crown on the pad/knee)
Second Co. Hearts (heart on the pad/kee)
Thrid Co. Diamonds (same as above you get the idea)
Fourth Co. Clubs
Fifth Co. Spades

Primaris Royal ChapterMaster: JOKER!

Slay one, Slay all! Watch as the Ball of FAITH circles the wheel of JUDGEMENT, where will it lfall BROTHERS?!


Nice idea but I like my die-rolling company a little bit better. There is some meta-thingy when your dudes are rolling the dies when it's in a universe of die-rolling tabletop game.
Probably will differentiate companies a little bit though - every company will have a number that can be rolled on two dies, just have to figure out if veteran company should be called "Snake Eyes" or "Boxcars"
   
 
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