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Just what it says in the question, really. After a battle against Craftworld Eldar, what would an enemy do with all the soulstones left behind? I can guess a few, but others I'm not sure about. I'd assume that...

-Craftworld Eldar obviously recover their soulstones.
-Slaaneshi and maybe Undivided Chaos just break them open to feed Slaanesh.
-Orks seem like they'd just stick it onto a vehicle or a weapon as decoration, not knowing what it is.
-Tyranids seem to be able to eat them, going by the Doom of Malan'Tai
-Exodites would probably return it to the Craftworld, as they're on good terms.

What about the other factions, though? Khornate or Nurglite Chaos forces shouldn't want to feed a rival God, right? The Imperials don't like Eldar, but they don't like Chaos even more, and wouldn't want to feed Slaanesh. In the cases where it's just Guardsmen where no one would no of the significance, is some Imperial group paying attention to these valuable things. The Tau wouldn't have much use for them, but I'd imagine they've realized how important they are to the Eldar, and they seem very open to negotiations. Necrons are pretty anti-Chaos, but also very anti-Eldar. Dark Eldar I think might give them back in exchange for resources, but I can also see them abusing the soul inside for sustenance.
   
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with humans eaither the inqusition would gather them up, or they'd be sold on the black market

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By and large, the Eldar go through hell to recover every soulstone they can, so I'd say they get at least 95% of them regardless of the battle's outcomes. I think most imperials would go with "This is Eldar crap, mail it to the inquisition asap." I think Tau would leave them, seeing as they aren't into the soul-belief and all that.

Also, undivided or unaligned chaos tend to take soulstones and use them for bartering (there's a short story focused entirely around this). What the non-Slaaneshi want with these is uncertain.
Now what I want is a story about a CSM who takes an Eldar Soulstone as a trophy and ends up with a bored, snarky, eldar ghost following him around. Add a little mutation to stop him just throwing the stone away and we're set.

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If I remember correctly, in some source they mention how Imperial Nobility and Rogue Traders valued Soulstones as nice complement to make jewelry and wear in fancy dresses.

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Now what I want is a story about a CSM who takes an Eldar Soulstone as a trophy and ends up with a bored, snarky, eldar ghost following him around. Add a little mutation to stop him just throwing the stone away and we're set.


Khorne CSM picks up the stone, but Tzeentch makes it undestroyable and everytime he gets rid of it it appears back. Tzeentch does this because why not. Khorne Marine is stuck in eternal anger at the snarky ghost
   
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 TheLumberJack wrote:
Mudrat wrote:
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Now what I want is a story about a CSM who takes an Eldar Soulstone as a trophy and ends up with a bored, snarky, eldar ghost following him around. Add a little mutation to stop him just throwing the stone away and we're set.


Khorne CSM picks up the stone, but Tzeentch makes it undestroyable and everytime he gets rid of it it appears back. Tzeentch does this because why not. Khorne Marine is stuck in eternal anger at the snarky ghost


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There's a deathwatch relic or weapon with a few soul stones on I think as decoration.

The eldar kind of don,t like it.

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I can see Rogue Traders and black market xeno-tech dealers valuing them highly in trade with Eldar.

Khornate chaos worshippers would probably keep it as a taunt that they own something that belongs to Slaanesh.

Tzeentchian dudes would probably use them in sorcerous spells.

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If I remember correctly, in some source they mention how Imperial Nobility and Rogue Traders valued Soulstones as nice complement to make jewelry and wear in fancy dresses.



I think that would be hell for most Eldar, dangling from a woman's ears or on her chest for a few hundred years before being passed to successive women, until Chaos or Tyranids comes to devour them

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In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.

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In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

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I remember reading a fluff piece somewhere that the Dark Eldar cloning tech isn't quite like growing a body and then transferring a mind across.

Basically, one of the methods for paying the haemis is in little slivers of one's own soul. I'd wager that their cloning tech centres around harvesting these little fragments of soul and then using them as a kernel to grow a clone around.

If that is the case, i can see why the craftworlders wouldn't want to do that.

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 Deadshot wrote:
 Galas wrote:
If I remember correctly, in some source they mention how Imperial Nobility and Rogue Traders valued Soulstones as nice complement to make jewelry and wear in fancy dresses.



I think that would be hell for most Eldar, dangling from a woman's ears or on her chest for a few hundred years before being passed to successive women, until Chaos or Tyranids comes to devour them


There is a history about a planetary governor killing a Farseer and using his soulstones as ordinary jewelry (it's hinted that the Farseer even told him the truth about the gems trying to reason with him.)

The Craftworld response was wiping clean the planet and handle the Governor to the Dark Eldars as punishment for that. "and our Dark kin didn't like pretty much humans using eldar souls as toys so they kept him under Haemonculus best attentions for 500+ years)
   
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Chaos worshipers value immensly Soul Stones as they are extremly powerful psychic focus. Eldars don't only use them for emprisoning their souls, but also as psychic wards and boosters. Chaos sorcerer love the for this reason. Having the soul of an Eldar captive is also a high sign of status and strength.

The Imperium probably has a black market for such good for they are indeed very useful to psykers, but are also extremely rare and valuable due to their beauty.

Orks and Tau have probably very little use for them and either ignore them or ransom them back to Eldars.

Tyranid will devour them as they are valuable as base material for their psychic beasts.

Necrons would probably keep them to torment and keep as trophy. They do hate eldars tremendoulsy.

Dark Eldar Incubi fracture them and transform them in dangerous psychic weapons called crucificatrix and blood stone. Haemonculi also torture them since the soul Inside can feel pain and anguish.
   
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 Deadshot wrote:
 Galas wrote:
If I remember correctly, in some source they mention how Imperial Nobility and Rogue Traders valued Soulstones as nice complement to make jewelry and wear in fancy dresses.



I think that would be hell for most Eldar, dangling from a woman's ears or on her chest for a few hundred years before being passed to successive women, until Chaos or Tyranids comes to devour them

Seems more likely that some Striking Scorpions would pay them a visit.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE?

It's probably an issue of preserving their way of life.

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With the exception of Eldar and Chaos, they use them as...

A: Shiny stones for decoration
B: Bartering with the Eldar (which usually fails, as the Eldar usually just kills for the stones instead)

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 Deadshot wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

As to what factions would do with Soulstones?
Imperium: Depending on whether the Imperial forces know what they are, they are likely to be either turned over to the Inquisition, left alone or looted and sold as shiny gemstones.
AdMech: Xenos tech! They'd hoard the hell out of it. Purely for research purposes, of course...
Orks: They might loot some, but overall Orks are more interested in dakka than in shiny.
Chaos: Depending on whether the Chaos forces know what they are, they will likely either attempt to torture and corrupt the Eldar souls inside, harness their energy, or leave them alone. Some enterprising renegades might loot them and try to sell them.
Necrons: They'd probably just destroy them out of spite.
Tyranids: The same Tyranids do with every single thing in the galaxy. Eat it.
Dark Eldar: Depending on the motives of the Dark Eldar, they could go from torturing the souls inside to using them for some arcane purpose to even returning them to their Craftworld to establish some goodwill ( a favour for a favour?).

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

That's just wrong. A lot of Craftworlders lived on worlds in the Empire like everyone else and left as the Fall was reaching the part where Slaanesh was born. They were hardly "hillbillies". The reason the Craftworld technology is less advanced is because they live on modified cargo ships and things like that so they hardly have the best infrastructure for research.

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Orks would trade them to the Bad Moons, since the Bad Moons love opulence and wealth.

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pm713 wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

That's just wrong. A lot of Craftworlders lived on worlds in the Empire like everyone else and left as the Fall was reaching the part where Slaanesh was born. They were hardly "hillbillies". The reason the Craftworld technology is less advanced is because they live on modified cargo ships and things like that so they hardly have the best infrastructure for research.

The Eldar Empire was totally and utterly destroyed. Any Eldar that lived on its worlds did not survive. Even the Craftworlds that were not far away enough from the Empire when the Fall happened were still destroyed, only those that were far away survived. So while they may have taken refugees from the core Eldar worlds aboard, given the fact that all Craftworlds close to the core worlds were destroyed it can't have been much. The vast majority of Eldar that survived the Fall were thus those that either lived far away from the Eldar Empire or in the Webway.
Before the Fall, the Craftworlds served as trading ships. Travelling at sublight speeds meant that the Eldar communities crewing these ships were away from the Empire for thousands and thousands of years and thus did not participate in its societal and technological developments (which is a major reason the Craftworld Eldar aren't as depraved as the Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsairs). Being so far removed and isolated from Eldar civilisation means they were very much the Eldar equivalent of hillbillies.

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pm713 wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Galas wrote:
If I remember correctly, in some source they mention how Imperial Nobility and Rogue Traders valued Soulstones as nice complement to make jewelry and wear in fancy dresses.



I think that would be hell for most Eldar, dangling from a woman's ears or on her chest for a few hundred years before being passed to successive women, until Chaos or Tyranids comes to devour them

Seems more likely that some Striking Scorpions would pay them a visit.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE?

It's probably an issue of preserving their way of life.


Hell, few thousand years of bring passed down thr family, countless balls, events and human monkeys wearing shiny things and dance in strange mating rituals.

The poor eldar might be insane by the end lol.

Depending how decorated, and family status they may never know its a soul stone or get forgotten.

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 Iron_Captain wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

That's just wrong. A lot of Craftworlders lived on worlds in the Empire like everyone else and left as the Fall was reaching the part where Slaanesh was born. They were hardly "hillbillies". The reason the Craftworld technology is less advanced is because they live on modified cargo ships and things like that so they hardly have the best infrastructure for research.


The Eldar Empire was totally and utterly destroyed. Any Eldar that lived on its worlds did not survive. Even the Craftworlds that were not far away enough from the Empire when the Fall happened were still destroyed, only those that were far away survived. So while they may have taken refugees from the core Eldar worlds aboard, given the fact that all Craftworlds close to the core worlds were destroyed it can't have been much. The vast majority of Eldar that survived the Fall were thus those that either lived far away from the Eldar Empire or in the Webway.
Before the Fall, the Craftworlds served as trading ships. Travelling at sublight speeds meant that the Eldar communities crewing these ships were away from the Empire for thousands and thousands of years and thus did not participate in its societal and technological developments (which is a major reason the Craftworld Eldar aren't as depraved as the Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsairs). Being so far removed and isolated from Eldar civilisation means they were very much the Eldar equivalent of hillbillies.


The Eldar empire was pretty much focused in their Crone worlds with Webway access to the rest of the Galaxy planets or outpost when Slaanesh was born only the Eldar far away from those Crone worlds survived that doesn't mean they where *removed* from civilization just moved away in time.

A lot of Craftworlds served as Trading ships originally but some other was specifically build to flee from the depravation around. Mind you the Fall it's not something that suddenly happen out of nowhere (Slaanesh birth aside) it took several centuries to reach the pivotal point, and the Craftworlders choose to leave the core of the empire before it was too late. Also Craftworlders aren't depraved because they are isolated but because they practice a strick self-control trainning (the Path).

The only Eldar somehow close to a Hillbillies would be Exodites and even then they are as Advanced and clever as Craftworlders or Dark Eldars it's just they refuse to live a granted life and prefer to live on their own, in a similar way you can choose to leave your comfy life in a city with a given job and decide to life from a Farm alone.
   
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 Iron_Captain wrote:

Dark Eldar: Depending on the motives of the Dark Eldar, they could go from torturing the souls inside to using them for some arcane purpose to even returning them to their Craftworld to establish some goodwill ( a favour for a favour?).



Apparently Eldar trade with each other. Craftworld and Corsairs trade in commoragh. What do they trade, we dont really know, but DE can manufacture a lot of stuff and they can steal a lot of other things. They can't make psykically manufactured old tech, so that might be something they want.
As to what craftworlds or corsairs might want, again DE have everything, but any soulstones would probably be traded at high value.

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pm713 wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Deadshot wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

That's just wrong. A lot of Craftworlders lived on worlds in the Empire like everyone else and left as the Fall was reaching the part where Slaanesh was born. They were hardly "hillbillies". The reason the Craftworld technology is less advanced is because they live on modified cargo ships and things like that so they hardly have the best infrastructure for research.

The Eldar Empire was totally and utterly destroyed. Any Eldar that lived on its worlds did not survive. Even the Craftworlds that were not far away enough from the Empire when the Fall happened were still destroyed, only those that were far away survived. So while they may have taken refugees from the core Eldar worlds aboard, given the fact that all Craftworlds close to the core worlds were destroyed it can't have been much. The vast majority of Eldar that survived the Fall were thus those that either lived far away from the Eldar Empire or in the Webway.
Before the Fall, the Craftworlds served as trading ships. Travelling at sublight speeds meant that the Eldar communities crewing these ships were away from the Empire for thousands and thousands of years and thus did not participate in its societal and technological developments (which is a major reason the Craftworld Eldar aren't as depraved as the Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsairs). Being so far removed and isolated from Eldar civilisation means they were very much the Eldar equivalent of hillbillies.

For one thing I can name at least 4 Eldar who survived in the Empire on a single planet so that's incorrect. Second escaping the Eye of Terror doesn't mean they lived far away from the Empire at all the Craftworlds left at different times over a period not all at once. A ship could leave from anywhere and be safe long before the Eye formed.
Again many inhabitants of the Craftworlds came from the Empire worlds so unless someone living in an average city counts as a hillybilly then by no means are Craftworlders hillbillies. As well not all the Eldar were depraved lunatics there were significant portions that were not.

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In the short stories about the Shield of Baal, Anrakyr the Travellerhas some and does not really kow what they are - some "primative form of soul transference" so he has them as trophies and occassionally plays with them or breaks them open when bored.



Interesting. Perhaps the method of soul transfer that DE use for their clones is closer to the Necrontyr's transformation into Necrons. Also, why don't Eldar just grow clones for themselves as with DE? They don't need to do all the torture stuff but why not have a body ready and waiting for when they die, thus mitigating losses?

Probably because they do not have the tech. Dark Eldar technology, especially that of the Haemonculi (who are the former rulers of the Eldar Empire) represents the peak of Eldar technological knowledge, while the Craftworlders before the Fall were basically space-dwelling hillbillies that only rarely were in contact with the Empire. Therefore their technology is usually less advanced (Compare the Bright Lance to the Dark Lance for example).
Also, the Eldar were jaded and cruel before the Fall as well. It is quite possible that there simply is no way to transfer a soul to a new body without all the torture stuff.

That's just wrong. A lot of Craftworlders lived on worlds in the Empire like everyone else and left as the Fall was reaching the part where Slaanesh was born. They were hardly "hillbillies". The reason the Craftworld technology is less advanced is because they live on modified cargo ships and things like that so they hardly have the best infrastructure for research.


The Eldar Empire was totally and utterly destroyed. Any Eldar that lived on its worlds did not survive. Even the Craftworlds that were not far away enough from the Empire when the Fall happened were still destroyed, only those that were far away survived. So while they may have taken refugees from the core Eldar worlds aboard, given the fact that all Craftworlds close to the core worlds were destroyed it can't have been much. The vast majority of Eldar that survived the Fall were thus those that either lived far away from the Eldar Empire or in the Webway.
Before the Fall, the Craftworlds served as trading ships. Travelling at sublight speeds meant that the Eldar communities crewing these ships were away from the Empire for thousands and thousands of years and thus did not participate in its societal and technological developments (which is a major reason the Craftworld Eldar aren't as depraved as the Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsairs). Being so far removed and isolated from Eldar civilisation means they were very much the Eldar equivalent of hillbillies.


The Eldar empire was pretty much focused in their Crone worlds with Webway access to the rest of the Galaxy planets or outpost when Slaanesh was born only the Eldar far away from those Crone worlds survived that doesn't mean they where *removed* from civilization just moved away in time.
If a group of humans had left Earth during the Late Neolithic only to return once every thousand years you can bet their technology would be quite a bit behind 21st Century Earth tech. The original Craftworlders were seperated from the rest of Eldar civilisation by vast distances and only returned every few thousand years. This means that their society was disconnected from mainstream Eldar society and developed differently.

Lord Perversor wrote:A lot of Craftworlds served as Trading ships originally but some other was specifically build to flee from the depravation around.
All Craftworlds were sublight trading ships. Some Eldar boarded them because they wanted to get away from their society. Others boarded for different reasons. It does not really matter. What does matter is that once they were aboard the Craftworlds, they became isolated from the rest of Eldar society and thus did not further participate in the chances in said society that led to the Fall.
Lord Perversor wrote:Mind you the Fall it's not something that suddenly happen out of nowhere (Slaanesh birth aside) it took several centuries to reach the pivotal point, and the Craftworlders choose to leave the core of the empire before it was too late.
That is true. The changes in Eldar society leading up to the Fall took millennia. But while the Craftworlds were crewed by people who wished to leave, the vast majority of Eldar within the Eldar Empire were not aware of any chances in Eldar society and thus would not have had any reason or desire to leave. The Fall was a very slow, gradual decline of Eldar society into depravity. The pace of the chances was too slow for the Eldar to really notice. Only those who were outside of Eldar society and only visited once every few thousand years noticed just how much had changed and how things were going wrong.
Lord Perversor wrote:Also Craftworlders aren't depraved because they are isolated but because they practice a strick self-control trainning (the Path).
The system of the Paths did not exist before the Fall. It was created after the Fall by the Craftworlders to prevent something like the Fall from eventually happening to them as well. The only reason the Craftworlders aren't as depraved as the Dark Eldar is because they left Eldar society before it evolved to DE-level depravity.

Lord Perversor wrote:The only Eldar somehow close to a Hillbillies would be Exodites and even then they are as Advanced and clever as Craftworlders or Dark Eldars it's just they refuse to live a granted life and prefer to live on their own, in a similar way you can choose to leave your comfy life in a city with a given job and decide to life from a Farm alone.

Exodites are more like the Eldar equivalent of Amish or similar groups that willingly choose to isolate themselves from society to live an ascetic lifestyle in an environment with less technology. They are much more extreme than the Craftworlders (up to the point that some Exodites refuse contact with craftworlds because they believe the Craftworlders are too close to the depraved old Eldar ways). The Exodites left much earlier than the Craftworlders did (and thus they participated even less in the events leading to the Fall). Apart from that, Exodites and Craftworlders are pretty similar. You could call them both hillbillies.

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For one thing I can name at least 4 Eldar who survived in the Empire on a single planet so that's incorrect. Second escaping the Eye of Terror doesn't mean they lived far away from the Empire at all the Craftworlds left at different times over a period not all at once. A ship could leave from anywhere and be safe long before the Eye formed.
Again many inhabitants of the Craftworlds came from the Empire worlds so unless someone living in an average city counts as a hillybilly then by no means are Craftworlders hillbillies. As well not all the Eldar were depraved lunatics there were significant portions that were not.

Someone living in an average city is continuously in contact with mainstream culture and its developments. The Craftworlders only got in touch once every few thousand years. And a city that only has contact with the outside world every few thousand years isn't really an average city, isn't it?
And yeah, pretty much all Eldar were depraved (apart from Craftworlders and Exodites and other isolated groups). The pace at which the depravity of Eldar society increased was too slow and gradual to notice for most Eldar, therefore it was not possible for them to really make a choice about it. It was just something that happened to you without you ever noticing it. If the vast majority of Eldar hadn't been so depraved, the birth of Slaanesh would never have happened. Those Eldar that were dissatisfied with their society and left as Exodites or on Craftworlds are probably only a tiny minority of a vast population, similarly to how in thereal world only very few Humans turn their back on society.
The Craftworlds did all leave at different times, that is true, but that does not matter so much. What does matter is that all of them became isolated once they left.

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Again Craftworlders are not entirely from people on trading ships. Many were from the worlds of the Empire and were therefore up to date on the various technologies.

Well Eldar were effectively immortal so they could definitely see it happen and the Exodites, Craftworlders and survivors combined are a significant amount of people. Some weren't depraved and weren't leaving for example they were just bored and uninvolved as much as possible like Asurmen was before he became a Phoenix Lord.

There weren't exactly leaps and bounds in technology after Craftworlds departed.

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Yeah Iron_Captain's got the gist of it pretty right. The Craftworlds were sublight trading vessels that spent thousands of years away from the Empire on trading missions. That would suggest that the pace of technological development would be slower than in the heart of the Empire.

That's borne out in the models and fluff by the fact that the Dark Eldar have more advanced technology than the Craftworlders. Most of their heavy weapons are as powerful as their Craftworld equivalents, but are small enough to be man-portable. They've solved the elven birth-rate problem using widespread cloning that doesn't appear to have downsides. They have a knowledge of the mechanisms of the webway, if not its routes, that surpasses even the Harlequins. Definitely more advanced.

However, pm713 is right in that the current populations of the Craftworlds do comprise Eldar from the Empire. When the word spread of the sh*t going down in the Empire, the Craftworlds raced back to rescue as many non-depraved people as possible (presumably through the webway, given that craftworlds of those days were much smaller and the webway wasn't as fractured). How much they were actually able to salvage at that point I have no idea. Presumably not very much at all, given their unsurpassed technological might pre-Fall and their current technology base.

We also know from the book Asurmen: Hand of Asuryan that the depravity varied among the worlds of the Eldar Empire, with the core worlds/webway domains being the most depraved and the outer worlds being much less affected. We also know that there were citizens of the Empire who fought against the pleasure cults stalking the streets, forming a vigilante organisation called the 'True Guardians'.

The other thing to think about with the Craftworld technology level is that each craftworld has at least one webway portal. I'd assume that such an esoteric device was constructed pre-Fall as I haven't actually heard of the Eldar being able to create permanent webway gates in 40k so I assume they've lost the technology to do so (remember, they've gone through a similar level of technological regression compared to their previous state as the Imperium). That would mean that they would have an FTL link back to the Empire while on their trade missions.

However, perhaps it's worth thinking of the Craftworlds as being somewhat like mobile distant colonies of the Eldar Empire. Still linked, but distant from the core of industry and development.

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There was a webway gate on each craftworld, so I doubt any truly tremendous technological difference would have passed them by for an extended period of time. At the same time though, knowing about an advance doesn't equate to having the equipment to replicate it.

I like to think of it in 19th century terms. In the same way you'd have various merchants and other factions passing through a colony bringing new medicines, information, devices, and so forth, but the means of manufacture and research are located back at the heart of the Empire and the spread of those things gets slower the further off the beaten track you get.

If that's even remotely accurate, those craftworlds who were furthest away in webway travel terms would likely have been the most backward. I'm not sure what correlation that would have to realspace travel though.


 
   
 
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