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I had been very excited about Kharadron Overlords and bought the army book.
But the prices on the Kharadron kits coupled with the very cool Dark Imperium starter for 40k have me leaning toward 40k again.

The only other AoS player I have in the area (an hour drive) is the guy I gave my starter Khorne to since he refuses to buy GW.
40k, on the other hand, has a weekly gaming presence even when 7th was driving players away.

How has the new 40k release---set for next weekend---affected your AoS plans, if at all?

it hasn't. I had no plans for buying the new 40k set (too pricey). i'm waiting for the digital rulebooks is all, which i'll buy when i'm able to.

I do want a kharadron ship though, somehow. dwarf air pirates are a dream.

I think the main thing is 40k looks like a better version of the AoS rules now.

The starter set doesn't do it for me though, and I generally prefer the fantasy aesthetic.

I'd like to start up a 40k army at some point in the future, but I have many months of AoS to paint first.

sadly the new 40k (which I personally greatly dislike) has killed what little interest there was in AoS that we had been trying to build.

I honestly don't think so. In so far there's been too little a frame to draw conclussions from and we are still a bit away from GHB II. IMO I think it will introduce changes and only then we will be able to truly speak about it.

I really think the character rule in 8th (can't target characters with shooting/psychic behind units unless they have more than 10 wounds) REALLY needs to be ported to AoS. Hero sniping with mass shooting is starting to become a problem.

There's too much shooting in the new AoS armies I think. My only problem with it really.

hasent realy affected my plans at all.

i have allways favored 40k but never their rulebook that at best could be used as a blunt weapon. it was never casual friendly at all.

aos made a nightmare of a game(fantasy) into a playable game but it is clear that GHB needs a lot of work combined whit some actual support for ALL grand alliances and their old sub factions.
i naturaly dont have read the 40k rules books, but fomr waht little i have seen sofar on the tube, there are deffo some ideas there that aos need to use aswell.

as a death player, aos does no longer appeal to me untill i see some death support, so i will be moving to 40k for the time beeing.

I've always played both, but my area is like most areas I've read about... its about 90% 40k and 10% whfb/AOS.

I'd like to see a lot of the 40k stuff make it into AOS. There are a lot of AOS mechanics that I quite simply hate because for me it ruins the immersion.

I won't stop playing AOS. But my meta is primarily driven by 40k. The GW store here only has AOS games going on when we have our club AOS campaign that runs during the summer. Having now read the 40k rulebook and seen the indices myself, I can conclude from my own opinion that 40k 8th ed is several steps the superior game system over AOS.

Other then that, I've never seen a WHFB or AOS game in the five years the store has been here. And the last time I saw a WHFB game in one of our LGS was 2007 at the height of 7th edition WHFB.

*note - I am not omnipotent and everywhere at once so I'm sure some whfb / aos games have been played in public somewhere here, but I've just never seen it, its always always ALWAYS 40k.

I am very excited by 40K, and I know quite a few friends who are prominent AoS podcasters and a big part of the tournament scene are also embracing the new 40K.

But it's not at all at the detriment of AoS. AoS remains my tournament game and my collectors game, whereas 40k gives me an avenue to collect and play a new army (my GSC), I certainly don't plan to collect every single faction in 40k like I do with the Grand Alliances in AoS.

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

That's one other thing. while i'm excited by the new rules, part of that excitement is that i hope to use the two armies i already have (GSC and marines) more. So it might change my playing options in that i'll hopefully have more of them, but not my buying decisions.

Which are still going to be not much of anything, but more likely will be for AoS if i do

 Bottle wrote:
I am very excited by 40K, and I know quite a few friends who are prominent AoS podcasters and a big part of the tournament scene are also embracing the new 40K.

But it's not at all at the detriment of AoS. AoS remains my tournament game and my collectors game, whereas 40k gives me an avenue to collect and play a new army (my GSC), I certainly don't plan to collect every single faction in 40k like I do with the Grand Alliances in AoS.

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

The new 40k is definitely in the spotlight right now. But I think in a couple months once the hype dies down things will be somewhat normal again. After DG and Primaris get their codexes I expect an AoS release, at the very least 1 new blood bowl team in plastic and shadespire starter set...which they said is due late 2017. I'll be shocked if AoS doesn't get at least one new army book out before the end of the year. There is still like 4-5 months until oct/november and that is plenty of time. If GW really decides to goof around and drag out the 40k starter set armies then...it's going to be a very dull next few months.

 Bottle wrote:
I am very excited by 40K, and I know quite a few friends who are prominent AoS podcasters and a big part of the tournament scene are also embracing the new 40K.

But it's not at all at the detriment of AoS. AoS remains my tournament game and my collectors game, whereas 40k gives me an avenue to collect and play a new army (my GSC), I certainly don't plan to collect every single faction in 40k like I do with the Grand Alliances in AoS.

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

Well I was going to post my stance on the matter but Bottle was nice enough to do it for me!

To quote the girl from the taco shell commercial, "Why not both?"

I mean, I would love to participate in both systems, but my time, money, and space are both seriously limited right now. I have about 1800 points of Destruction and 1000 points of Chaos to paint (more if I can use some Reaper models for my armies), but a couple 40K armies already painted and ready to play, with many more painting projects on the back log for 40K. I am having to sell off a bunch of models just to be able to afford the new rulebooks (if anyone is interested in Khador stuff, I can hook you up ). I will participate in both games, but for 40K, it really depends on who I am playing. For AoS, all the local players are (so far) relaxed and laid back, and wanting to get a Narrative Campaign going soon.

40K is what got me into wargaming as a hobby, but AoS has been my exclusive game while 7th Edition kept catering to the local WAAC players. We have a local group of about 5 or 6 AoS players, and all but one of us have more years in 40K (and that one guy got a Dark Angels army recently, but never did much in 40K). I imagine our group will soon transition from the "local AoS group" to the "narrative and relaxed wargamers group", which I am okay with that

Both indeed.

Theres not many in my area who do play. Maybe 8-12, but when you look at 40k players, easily 30 or more. Some play both. I did Khorne for AoS and plan to scifi the guys up a little and use them as khorne for 40k army. Can easily use them still for AoS

I can see how it would effect people though. Its the new hotness, and the 40k 8th ruleset is most of what is good for AoS but improved upon.

I see tem fixing up the AoS rules more in time to come to match how much better 40k 8th is.

I'm doing both. I've slowly been working on my small Bloodbound, but they are a taking a little bit of a back seat as I come full circle and paint up some Dark Eldar again. Another thing that has spurred my 40k focus is the fact that, indeed it looks like a better AoS, and my not-so-favorite local gaming store (read: glorified card shop) is starting a little league with the release of the new edition so I want to help foster a local community so I don't have to drive an hour for a game.

Yeah, AoS had a small prescence here then died, gonna buy my friends Nagash then just BLEGH it.
But I dont regret buying because I only paint 50$, most was bought on credit.

In the long term I don't see any impact really, for a number of reasons but two really big ones.

Some people like fantasy imagery, some people really want high tech weapons and tanks. That preference drives the decision for a lot of people.

Even with the updates to the new edition of 40k, it is a different type of game from AoS. My personal preference is for the light, open, and fairly minimal rules AoS provides, and enjoy playing it in its skirmish form. 40k has more complexity and more moving parts, and I think its a good thing that the two games are more different now than they were in the past because it gives players another distinguishing characteristic to make their decision about.

The only downside to 40k getting the attention for a while is that somebody will point out that AoS isn't getting new releases, thus it is a failure and getting put to bed or some other nonsense.

Honestly if people are saying that AoS is going down just because it's not getting updated didn't pay attention... considering the Kharadron Overlords and Skirmish are still pretty recent...

That and of course 40k is going to get more focus right now, it's getting a new edition and it's the most popular series the company has.

I really think it comes down to: "are you interested" since this IS time, effort, and money being put into this. People are more likely to be dragged into the scene if they look at the models and the battle and say "That looks pretty cool."

Another thing that can attract people to AoS is that it's pretty easy to pick up. Rules are easy to learn and fast to pick up, From there you can introduce other things like campaigns and matched play. Also the games can be pretty quick compared to 40k... which is ironic if you think about it...

 Bottle wrote:
I am very excited by 40K, and I know quite a few friends who are prominent AoS podcasters and a big part of the tournament scene are also embracing the new 40K.

But it's not at all at the detriment of AoS. AoS remains my tournament game and my collectors game, whereas 40k gives me an avenue to collect and play a new army (my GSC), I certainly don't plan to collect every single faction in 40k like I do with the Grand Alliances in AoS.

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

Thanks Bottle for sharing my sentiments on this whole matter. Saves me some typing.

 Bottle wrote:

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

I love AoS and have been a big supporter all along, building a group that can get about 10-15 people for tournaments and regularly sees 6-8 at monthly club days, and I think I can safely say 9 months without a significant release would be pretty harmful to the community momentum here. Not looking to whine about it, GW is killing it all around in my opinion, but that would be a big misstep. 40K could handle being on the back burner as the communities were established and they still got releases right? At least a new Tau book and surely some other new stuff, books, models, etc... I don't think here in the states AoS is in a strong enough position, at least locally to handle that kind of blackout period without community casualties.

Either way I'm still loving and playing AoS, Just my 2 cents

mikosan wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

There's probably going to be 9 months or longer with no significant AoS release while 40k takes the spotlight like AoS did during it's launch. If a hobbyist's monthly hobby budget goes on 40k for the next 9 months or so and then back onto AoS when it takes the spotlight once more, it's only a win-win in my eyes

I love AoS and have been a big supporter all along, building a group that can get about 10-15 people for tournaments and regularly sees 6-8 at monthly club days, and I think I can safely say 9 months without a significant release would be pretty harmful to the community momentum here. Not looking to whine about it, GW is killing it all around in my opinion, but that would be a big misstep. 40K could handle being on the back burner as the communities were established and they still got releases right? At least a new Tau book and surely some other new stuff, books, models, etc... I don't think here in the states AoS is in a strong enough position, at least locally to handle that kind of blackout period without community casualties.

Either way I'm still loving and playing AoS, Just my 2 cents

I honestly doubt it will be that long. Remember, in theory there's at least one more army to be released this year PLUS shadespire which will be like 6-8 warbands on launch.

I may not have cannibalized sales but 8th has definitely cannabalized the AoS threads ...been too quiet over here :/

pretty much the final nail in AoS coffin here, we are down to 2 players (counting me)

Blowing dust from my Eldar models from a very different era. I'd like to complete 1000 points of Stormcast army and should GW release the Aelves I think I'll continue to focus my efforts on AoS rather than 40k.

Then there's the skirmish and Path of Glory where I'd like to build a small Tzeench force.

 Knight wrote:
Blowing dust from my Eldar models from a very different era. I'd like to complete 1000 points of Stormcast army and should GW release the Aelves I think I'll continue to focus my efforts on AoS rather than 40k.

Then there's the skirmish and Path of Glory where I'd like to build a small Tzeench force.

tzeentch can be pretty fun in skirmish, but start a bit sucky. hang in with them though and it gets fun

The Tzaangors and Cultists are beautiful, bit disappointing there are no rules for Ogroid. If I had the money and time I'd gladly bought Kairos just for the coolness factor.

Anyway, I've picked Vandus and Plague Guarden novel, also played two games of skirmish with Stormcasts. I think this settles of what system is going to keep me busy for a while.

The new 40k, as great as it is (not sarcastic, really like it) hasn't dented my interest in AoS one bit. I'm currently knee deep in a project to build an Overlord fleet. I'm also still working on Bloodbound, and I'm aiming to get a Disciples Of Tzeentch airforce. AoS was still doing well in my area right up until 40k came out, and I'm sure that once the excitement dies down it'll return again.

I just started playing AOS and am finding it's very much a fun and heavily underrated game.
Right now, I'm putting together a demon army combined with mortals, beastmen, and Skaven in an escalation league setting.

I believe with the announcement of the GHB II AoS will be just fine, especially with Paths to Glory coming out as well. I think most avid AoS players who are looking at 8th ed 40K will jump right back in to Aos once the new books are dropped.

It's because unfortunately AoS was a failed launch, it had what it needed but stripped right out the gate. When they shut out their old players and kinda nuked the world it really left a bitter taste in people's mouth.

The other problem I see with AoS is that, who the gak is the target audience? Like not trolling here really wanna know who were they trying to appeal to with AoS, it sure as hell was not fantasy players.

I love the AoS game, is very fun with the few small game so have played and I have a full army planned and slow going to get it but, it's so dead at my store almost no one plays it, even our store manager has kinda given up on it.