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Here's a draft of their codex
Please note that it's a work in progress
and its inspired by this 40k theories video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdSUK-bjXd8
 Filename Codex Silent Claws.docx [Disk] Download
 Description
 File size 24 Kbytes

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Right so summing up:
A Night Lords Loyalist successor chapter,
Cast out by the Imperium due to a confrentation with a Loyalist chapter,
Homeworld is now a death world,
They worship a new goddess,
They are trusted within their own system due to saving them from chaos warbands.

Seems alright, two changes I would make (personal preference):
1. I'd have the chapter found out by the Sons of Guilliman because of Silent Claw marines carrying out acts of torchure and/or falling in and out of schizophrenic psychopathy (show that they have the flaws of Night Lords geneseed) rather than just for dishonourable tactics. The problem with them having a problem with them just being sneaky is because the Raven Guard do that too.
2. Not sure whether I like the creation of a brand new Goddess, better to say they were lead by the remnents of one of the Eldar Goddess' who is seaking to use them to stop chaos.

Hope this helps!

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 Marmatag wrote:
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Looking for the Rest of the II Legion

Yay loyalist traitors! My favorite kind.


 
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
Right so summing up:
A Night Lords Loyalist successor chapter,
Cast out by the Imperium due to a confrentation with a Loyalist chapter,
Homeworld is now a death world,
They worship a new goddess,
They are trusted within their own system due to saving them from chaos warbands.

Seems alright, two changes I would make (personal preference):
1. I'd have the chapter found out by the Sons of Guilliman because of Silent Claw marines carrying out acts of torchure and/or falling in and out of schizophrenic psychopathy (show that they have the flaws of Night Lords geneseed) rather than just for dishonourable tactics. The problem with them having a problem with them just being sneaky is because the Raven Guard do that too.
2. Not sure whether I like the creation of a brand new Goddess, better to say they were lead by the remnents of one of the Eldar Goddess' who is seaking to use them to stop chaos.

Hope this helps!

Good points there I'll continue to edit it
I have many ideas in mind but the problem I'm having is wording out the lore additionally I'm waiting for all of the 8th edition codexs to be published notably the ones involving the adeptus astartes
The problem with not having them worship a new deity is the outcasts are her form of daemon they were inspired by this video by 40k theories
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9ReSLE6p8

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I've updated the codex
 Filename Codex Silent Claws.docx [Disk] Download
 Description
 File size 25 Kbytes

   
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So Renegade Marines

That have turned their back on the God Emperor and should be purged to the man
   
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Looking for the Rest of the II Legion

Awesome narrative you have going here; I like the whole death world theme.


 
   
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 Aetare wrote:
Awesome narrative you have going here; I like the whole death world theme.

thanks mate
   
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The god sounds like Cegorac the eldar laughing god,

Could the Harlequins be at the centre of all of this? have they seen colourful visions while battling eldar?

Also the whole schizophrenic ultra violent thing was more of a nurture over nature thing. The gene seed gave them some kind of thermal vision and a piercing scream. The torture thing comes from an exaggerated obsession with vigilante justice and order through fear which descended into killing and torturing people for kicks.


"That's how a Luna Wolf fights."
"If you can't keep up, go and join the Death Guard"
"It had often been said that Space Marines knew no fear, but when Angron charged, he ran" 
   
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Taffy17 wrote:
The god sounds like Cegorac the eldar laughing god,

Could the Harlequins be at the centre of all of this? have they seen colourful visions while battling eldar?

Also the whole schizophrenic ultra violent thing was more of a nurture over nature thing. The gene seed gave them some kind of thermal vision and a piercing scream. The torture thing comes from an exaggerated obsession with vigilante justice and order through fear which descended into killing and torturing people for kicks.

not what i intended but how do i word their brutality to be more akin to the Carcharodons and they have no mercy to chaos, orks, dark eldar, tyranids, and tau.
they usually avoid conflict with allied eldar and imperial forces they'd rather sneak their way out of there stealth's always been the specialty but they'll leave with wounds regardless.
they are savage at heart due to their feral origins but not every silent claw is an aqualyan some were survivors from their previous homeworld secretis.
however your suggestion could be possible

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Could they be a Raven Guard successor with a particularly violent zealous streak?

Could they're chapter master have been at the centre of some harlequin performance which showed him visions of a crippled emperor cowering on his throne while a great jester and warrior rallied his troops against chaos. This could have turned them away from the emperor and now they spend their days searching for this courageous jester who will lead them in the final battle with chaos?


"That's how a Luna Wolf fights."
"If you can't keep up, go and join the Death Guard"
"It had often been said that Space Marines knew no fear, but when Angron charged, he ran" 
   
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Taffy17 wrote:
Could they be a Raven Guard successor with a particularly violent zealous streak?

Could they're chapter master have been at the centre of some harlequin performance which showed him visions of a crippled emperor cowering on his throne while a great jester and warrior rallied his troops against chaos. This could have turned them away from the emperor and now they spend their days searching for this courageous jester who will lead them in the final battle with chaos?

perhaps please enlighten me on what ideas you have in mind
   
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naoki the curseblood wrote:
Taffy17 wrote:
Could they be a Raven Guard successor with a particularly violent zealous streak?

Could they're chapter master have been at the centre of some harlequin performance which showed him visions of a crippled emperor cowering on his throne while a great jester and warrior rallied his troops against chaos. This could have turned them away from the emperor and now they spend their days searching for this courageous jester who will lead them in the final battle with chaos?

perhaps please enlighten me on what ideas you have in mind
That was pretty much it...

Blood Angels and Space Wolves are known for their violent tendancies as well so that's an option but they're both less sneaky and wolves don't have successors.

A Blood Angels successor could work, they're gene seed makes them particularly violent to start with, and there is stories of blood drained corpses being found occasionally when guard are garrisoned with blood angels and their successors


"That's how a Luna Wolf fights."
"If you can't keep up, go and join the Death Guard"
"It had often been said that Space Marines knew no fear, but when Angron charged, he ran" 
   
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Taffy17 wrote:
naoki the curseblood wrote:
Taffy17 wrote:
Could they be a Raven Guard successor with a particularly violent zealous streak?

Could they're chapter master have been at the centre of some harlequin performance which showed him visions of a crippled emperor cowering on his throne while a great jester and warrior rallied his troops against chaos. This could have turned them away from the emperor and now they spend their days searching for this courageous jester who will lead them in the final battle with chaos?

perhaps please enlighten me on what ideas you have in mind
That was pretty much it...

Blood Angels and Space Wolves are known for their violent tendancies as well so that's an option but they're both less sneaky and wolves don't have successors.

A Blood Angels successor could work, they're gene seed makes them particularly violent to start with, and there is stories of blood drained corpses being found occasionally when guard are garrisoned with blood angels and their successors

it could be original to have a stealthy blood angel successor but the red thirst and black rage could be a problem
   
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what if the red thirst was particularly bad and instead of trying to resist it they sneak out at night and kill and drink the blood of the guardsmen on patrol. You could also say while the red thirst was particularly bad they have a suprisingly low amount succumb to the black rage.

They could be old school night menace style vampire space marines.

They could get caught and they choose to flee for some reason instead of being wiped out.


"That's how a Luna Wolf fights."
"If you can't keep up, go and join the Death Guard"
"It had often been said that Space Marines knew no fear, but when Angron charged, he ran" 
   
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Taffy17 wrote:
what if the red thirst was particularly bad and instead of trying to resist it they sneak out at night and kill and drink the blood of the guardsmen on patrol. You could also say while the red thirst was particularly bad they have a suprisingly low amount succumb to the black rage.

They could be old school night menace style vampire space marines.

They could get caught and they choose to flee for some reason instead of being wiped out.

perhaps i'm feeling conflicted whether i should keep them as night lord successors or make them blood angel successors
could you help me decide?

   
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Seriously?

what do you want from an army?


"That's how a Luna Wolf fights."
"If you can't keep up, go and join the Death Guard"
"It had often been said that Space Marines knew no fear, but when Angron charged, he ran" 
   
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Blood Angels successors is certainly more fluff friendly.

Frankly, with how many people go with "traitor legion BUT THEY'RE GOOD", it's a bit of cliche.
Just to point out too, but the parent Chapter doesn't necessarily impact the descendant. Not every Ultramarine descendant is Greco-Roman and worships the Codex (Mortifactors, Fire Hawks), not every White Scar descendant is a speed freak (Storm Dragons, Rampagers), not every Blood Angel descendant is obsessed with blood and killing (the Lamenters break this trend by being rather level-headed as Marines go).

In truth, you could give them any demeanour you like, and still pair them to any geneseed.


They/them

 
   
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Blood Angels successors is certainly more fluff friendly.

Frankly, with how many people go with "traitor legion BUT THEY'RE GOOD", it's a bit of cliche.
Just to point out too, but the parent Chapter doesn't necessarily impact the descendant. Not every Ultramarine descendant is Greco-Roman and worships the Codex (Mortifactors, Fire Hawks), not every White Scar descendant is a speed freak (Storm Dragons, Rampagers), not every Blood Angel descendant is obsessed with blood and killing (the Lamenters break this trend by being rather level-headed as Marines go).

In truth, you could give them any demeanour you like, and still pair them to any geneseed.

I guess i'll change them to blood angel successor with the points you bring up plus it could give me new ideas for units
   
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heck if you wanna be oddball and do something that's differant in being bog standard make them ultramarines sucessors. 90% of chapters are ultramarine but so few custom chapters seem to be.

Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two 
   
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naoki the curseblood wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Blood Angels successors is certainly more fluff friendly.

Frankly, with how many people go with "traitor legion BUT THEY'RE GOOD", it's a bit of cliche.
Just to point out too, but the parent Chapter doesn't necessarily impact the descendant. Not every Ultramarine descendant is Greco-Roman and worships the Codex (Mortifactors, Fire Hawks), not every White Scar descendant is a speed freak (Storm Dragons, Rampagers), not every Blood Angel descendant is obsessed with blood and killing (the Lamenters break this trend by being rather level-headed as Marines go).

In truth, you could give them any demeanour you like, and still pair them to any geneseed.

I guess i'll change them to blood angel successor with the points you bring up plus it could give me new ideas for units

Noooo! Not blood angels! Night Lords are so much better!

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
heck if you wanna be oddball and do something that's differant in being bog standard make them ultramarines sucessors. 90% of chapters are ultramarine but so few custom chapters seem to be.

I'd prefer to not to go with them i'm not really a fan of the ultramarines
I don't mean to be rude of course


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 mrhappyface wrote:
naoki the curseblood wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Blood Angels successors is certainly more fluff friendly.

Frankly, with how many people go with "traitor legion BUT THEY'RE GOOD", it's a bit of cliche.
Just to point out too, but the parent Chapter doesn't necessarily impact the descendant. Not every Ultramarine descendant is Greco-Roman and worships the Codex (Mortifactors, Fire Hawks), not every White Scar descendant is a speed freak (Storm Dragons, Rampagers), not every Blood Angel descendant is obsessed with blood and killing (the Lamenters break this trend by being rather level-headed as Marines go).

In truth, you could give them any demeanour you like, and still pair them to any geneseed.

I guess i'll change them to blood angel successor with the points you bring up plus it could give me new ideas for units

Noooo! Not blood angels! Night Lords are so much better!

then they'll be a vote for it
the choices are
1. night lords
2.blood angels
3.raven guard
4.mixed gene seed

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Why Aye Ya Canny Dakkanaughts!

Come on Night Lords!
1. They have the best paint scheme out of all the space marine chapters/legions.
2. Their Primarch was Space Batman. SPACE. FREAKIN. BATMAN!
3. How many chapters can avoid all out war by making the enemy leaders surrender out of fear of being turned into a meat cape? (Night Lords love meat capes)
4. Seriously! Space Batman!

I think this puts a pretty good arguement together for our bat eared friends. "Ave Dominus Nox"

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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OK that's one vote!
1. night lords 1
2.blood angels 0
3.raven guard 0
4.mixed gene seed 0
   
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mrhappyface wrote:Come on Night Lords!
1. They have the best paint scheme out of all the space marine chapters/legions.
2. Their Primarch was Space Batman. SPACE. FREAKIN. BATMAN!
3. How many chapters can avoid all out war by making the enemy leaders surrender out of fear of being turned into a meat cape? (Night Lords love meat capes)
4. Seriously! Space Batman!

I think this puts a pretty good arguement together for our bat eared friends. "Ave Dominus Nox"
In my most humble opinion? Not really?

Again, go back to what I said - the parent Chapter has no real bearing on the descendent Chapter. It's something I think so many people overlook when making a Chapter.
"I don't want my Chapter to be Ultramarine related, they'll be just like them"
"I want my guys to be related to the World Eaters so they'll be SUPER ANGRY"
"Only the best bikers are related to the White Scars"
when that's simply not true.

Gene-seed has effect on a few things, and some physiological differences, but other than that, the Chapter's culture and demeanour can be caused by ANYTHING, under any geneseed.

All of your points there relate to the Night Lords themselves. And yes, I'll be the first one to say that those are all amazing traits (seriously, when I move onto my second HH army, they'll be Night Lords), that doesn't mean someone with their geneseed would behave anywhere near the same.
Why would a Loyalist Chapter, assuming Loyalist implanted with Traitor genes, behave ANYTHING like them? The NL geneseed was actually very stable, but it had no effect of mass rage like the Blood Angels. Any cultural thing of meat cloaks and fear tactics wouldn't be linked to their heritage at all. Hell, there could probably be an Ultramarine successor that did that.

Therefore, if OP wants an easy reason to be rage filled and suchlike, I choose Blood Angels. If OP wants any other trait, like stealth, they could pick literally ANY geneseed. I'd personally avoid using traitor ones because:
A) Very unlikely in the fluff.
B) Very much a cliche at this point.


They/them

 
   
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Remember Loyalist elements of Legions from the heresy probably went extinict ages ago during the Rebellion.

And many legion survivors either joined in the scouraging or were killed because of the Horus Heresy. We know for a fact not many astartes of these loyalist legions survived as most died on Isstavan III.

Its really only fluff text by then. Most interesting chapters are from loyalist legions anyway. There are some rumored to be from traitor legions but as the codex literally puts it most are taken from the ultramarines or other chapters. Ultramarines are actually rather interesting as a first founding due many factors and plus how many can say their primarch is still alive and kicking?

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:Come on Night Lords!
1. They have the best paint scheme out of all the space marine chapters/legions.
2. Their Primarch was Space Batman. SPACE. FREAKIN. BATMAN!
3. How many chapters can avoid all out war by making the enemy leaders surrender out of fear of being turned into a meat cape? (Night Lords love meat capes)
4. Seriously! Space Batman!

I think this puts a pretty good arguement together for our bat eared friends. "Ave Dominus Nox"
In my most humble opinion? Not really?

Again, go back to what I said - the parent Chapter has no real bearing on the descendent Chapter. It's something I think so many people overlook when making a Chapter.
"I don't want my Chapter to be Ultramarine related, they'll be just like them"
"I want my guys to be related to the World Eaters so they'll be SUPER ANGRY"
"Only the best bikers are related to the White Scars"
when that's simply not true.

Gene-seed has effect on a few things, and some physiological differences, but other than that, the Chapter's culture and demeanour can be caused by ANYTHING, under any geneseed.

All of your points there relate to the Night Lords themselves. And yes, I'll be the first one to say that those are all amazing traits (seriously, when I move onto my second HH army, they'll be Night Lords), that doesn't mean someone with their geneseed would behave anywhere near the same.
Why would a Loyalist Chapter, assuming Loyalist implanted with Traitor genes, behave ANYTHING like them? The NL geneseed was actually very stable, but it had no effect of mass rage like the Blood Angels. Any cultural thing of meat cloaks and fear tactics wouldn't be linked to their heritage at all. Hell, there could probably be an Ultramarine successor that did that.

Therefore, if OP wants an easy reason to be rage filled and suchlike, I choose Blood Angels. If OP wants any other trait, like stealth, they could pick literally ANY geneseed. I'd personally avoid using traitor ones because:
A) Very unlikely in the fluff.
B) Very much a cliche at this point.

that's two votes
1. night lords 1
2.blood angels 1
3.raven guard 0
4.mixed gene seed 0


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 Asherian Command wrote:
Remember Loyalist elements of Legions from the heresy probably went extinict ages ago during the Rebellion.

And many legion survivors either joined in the scouraging or were killed because of the Horus Heresy. We know for a fact not many astartes of these loyalist legions survived as most died on Isstavan III.

Its really only fluff text by then. Most interesting chapters are from loyalist legions anyway. There are some rumored to be from traitor legions but as the codex literally puts it most are taken from the ultramarines or other chapters. Ultramarines are actually rather interesting as a first founding due many factors and plus how many can say their primarch is still alive and kicking?

good points there but who are you voting for?

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:Come on Night Lords!
1. They have the best paint scheme out of all the space marine chapters/legions.
2. Their Primarch was Space Batman. SPACE. FREAKIN. BATMAN!
3. How many chapters can avoid all out war by making the enemy leaders surrender out of fear of being turned into a meat cape? (Night Lords love meat capes)
4. Seriously! Space Batman!

I think this puts a pretty good arguement together for our bat eared friends. "Ave Dominus Nox"
In my most humble opinion? Not really?

Again, go back to what I said - the parent Chapter has no real bearing on the descendent Chapter. It's something I think so many people overlook when making a Chapter.
"I don't want my Chapter to be Ultramarine related, they'll be just like them"
"I want my guys to be related to the World Eaters so they'll be SUPER ANGRY"
"Only the best bikers are related to the White Scars"
when that's simply not true.

Gene-seed has effect on a few things, and some physiological differences, but other than that, the Chapter's culture and demeanour can be caused by ANYTHING, under any geneseed.

All of your points there relate to the Night Lords themselves. And yes, I'll be the first one to say that those are all amazing traits (seriously, when I move onto my second HH army, they'll be Night Lords), that doesn't mean someone with their geneseed would behave anywhere near the same.
Why would a Loyalist Chapter, assuming Loyalist implanted with Traitor genes, behave ANYTHING like them? The NL geneseed was actually very stable, but it had no effect of mass rage like the Blood Angels. Any cultural thing of meat cloaks and fear tactics wouldn't be linked to their heritage at all. Hell, there could probably be an Ultramarine successor that did that.

Therefore, if OP wants an easy reason to be rage filled and suchlike, I choose Blood Angels. If OP wants any other trait, like stealth, they could pick literally ANY geneseed. I'd personally avoid using traitor ones because:
A) Very unlikely in the fluff.
B) Very much a cliche at this point.

Yes it is a nuture over nature here but I was assuming that this chapter was founded by loyalist elements of the Night Lords rather than simply made rom their geneseed. If the founding had been made using the NL geneseed but under the guidence of say an Ultramarine Captain, then yes they would likely lack the traits of the NL. However if the founding had been over seen by a loyalist NL then they would have likely past down their teachings of stealth and fear to the chapter, perhaps some of the new members of the chapter would observer their founder falling into torcherous psychopathy during battle as many of the mentally unhinged members of the NL had.

As for cliche? It has become rather common to see renegade chapters popping up but perhaps it is a sign of more people who play Space Marines disliking the fluff of the Imperium but rather than buy a new codex they simply stamp their army with renegades.

Ghorros wrote:
The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
 
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
Yes it is a nuture over nature here but I was assuming that this chapter was founded by loyalist elements of the Night Lords rather than simply made rom their geneseed. If the founding had been made using the NL geneseed but under the guidence of say an Ultramarine Captain, then yes they would likely lack the traits of the NL. However if the founding had been over seen by a loyalist NL then they would have likely past down their teachings of stealth and fear to the chapter, perhaps some of the new members of the chapter would observer their founder falling into torcherous psychopathy during battle as many of the mentally unhinged members of the NL had.
As you say, the more mentally unhinged Night Lords observed the torturous psychopathy. With a case of this, do you think that one such individual would stay loyal? Why would such a person stay loyal to the Imperium, despite all the distrust and dislike of that kind of warfare?

Again, until it's defined as what the Night Lord influence is (trained by Night Lords or merely having their geneseed), we don't really know how these guys would behave.

Still, I would say that, personally, the idea of "Horus Heresy marines who got spat out of the warp ten thousand years late and they're loyal and are allowed to fight for the Imperium BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD GUYS BUT COOL" is a little overdone to me. There's so much out there to play around with in just Loyalist Space Marines.

As for cliche? It has become rather common to see renegade chapters popping up but perhaps it is a sign of more people who play Space Marines disliking the fluff of the Imperium but rather than buy a new codex they simply stamp their army with renegades.
But how does the fluff of the Imperium relate to this? You can easily behave like NIght Lords without being descended from Kurze, so why does the fluff of the Imperium matter? There's nothing restricting it.

I don't understand why people think "I need to make my guys related to people that lived thousands of years ago if I want this certain theme or method of warfare", when the fluff of the Imperium supports that they can be like that, and related to any of the "default" Primarchs.
I mean, what about the Imperial fluff is so bad that you can like Space Marines, but the only way it makes sense is being renegade? The only real ones I can think of are fraternising with the enemy (xenos, chaos, heretics) or using forbidden tech/magics, and OP has no real influence of that.

I just think that, to me, if you CAN do it without making leaps of plausibility, then you should do that. As such, Blood Angels make the most sense for this.


They/them

 
   
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
Yes it is a nuture over nature here but I was assuming that this chapter was founded by loyalist elements of the Night Lords rather than simply made rom their geneseed. If the founding had been made using the NL geneseed but under the guidence of say an Ultramarine Captain, then yes they would likely lack the traits of the NL. However if the founding had been over seen by a loyalist NL then they would have likely past down their teachings of stealth and fear to the chapter, perhaps some of the new members of the chapter would observer their founder falling into torcherous psychopathy during battle as many of the mentally unhinged members of the NL had.
As you say, the more mentally unhinged Night Lords observed the torturous psychopathy. With a case of this, do you think that one such individual would stay loyal? Why would such a person stay loyal to the Imperium, despite all the distrust and dislike of that kind of warfare?

Again, until it's defined as what the Night Lord influence is (trained by Night Lords or merely having their geneseed), we don't really know how these guys would behave.

Still, I would say that, personally, the idea of "Horus Heresy marines who got spat out of the warp ten thousand years late and they're loyal and are allowed to fight for the Imperium BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD GUYS BUT COOL" is a little overdone to me. There's so much out there to play around with in just Loyalist Space Marines.

As for cliche? It has become rather common to see renegade chapters popping up but perhaps it is a sign of more people who play Space Marines disliking the fluff of the Imperium but rather than buy a new codex they simply stamp their army with renegades.
But how does the fluff of the Imperium relate to this? You can easily behave like NIght Lords without being descended from Kurze, so why does the fluff of the Imperium matter? There's nothing restricting it.

I don't understand why people think "I need to make my guys related to people that lived thousands of years ago if I want this certain theme or method of warfare", when the fluff of the Imperium supports that they can be like that, and related to any of the "default" Primarchs.
I mean, what about the Imperial fluff is so bad that you can like Space Marines, but the only way it makes sense is being renegade? The only real ones I can think of are fraternising with the enemy (xenos, chaos, heretics) or using forbidden tech/magics, and OP has no real influence of that.

I just think that, to me, if you CAN do it without making leaps of plausibility, then you should do that. As such, Blood Angels make the most sense for this.

well could a mixed gene seed be possible?
as 40k therioes said in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33UdKehffN8

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