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Hi all, question is in the title. It looks like an addition mainly for fluff, but from a competitive point of view Fireblade is just so much better than the Laer blade and it makes Fulgrim into a close combat monster. But I don't want to be abusing an option which only meant strictly for narrative games.

Maybe its acceptable as long as it's modeled? I'm just not sure how the 30k community views this.

I would expect it to be modelled.

To be honest who is to say the model Fulgrim is equipped with isn't Fireblade? Does the kit from FW say (1 Fulgrim model with Laer Sword)? TBH in my case and I think the case of most people I have interacted with in my local group and at events like LVO I wouldn't care as long as you told me beforehand and your army looked good


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As far as using fireblade in just any game. I don't think in general people would take issue with it unless you were specifically playing a narrative campaign that was meant to reflect the fluff at a certain time or place where he might not have it.

agurus1 wrote:
To be honest who is to say the model Fulgrim is equipped with isn't Fireblade? Does the kit from FW say (1 Fulgrim model with Laer Sword)? TBH in my case and I think the case of most people I have interacted with in my local group and at events like LVO I wouldn't care as long as you told me beforehand and your army looked good

Well, FW have literally said that Fulgrim's modelled weapon is the Laer Blade, and it clearly resembles it. I mean, if we're using the excuse that it doesn't specify what the model is armed with, then the Space Marine Commander model could be armed with a power sword, power fist AND lightning claw simultaneously, despite WYSIWYG being otherwise, because it doesn't specify the weapon on the kit?

The unaltered FW model is equipped with the Laer Blade. If you narratively want to use the Fireblade, or use it, I would ask that you represent it somehow - some kind of paintjob or scuplted flames would be brilliant for it.

As far as using fireblade in just any game. I don't think in general people would take issue with it unless you were specifically playing a narrative campaign that was meant to reflect the fluff at a certain time or place where he might not have it.

In a narrative game, I'd certainly expect Fulgrim to use the Laer Blade for anything Post-Istvaan V.

A game before that, or a tourney game, all bets are off.

I always assumed even without being told that the miniature was modelled with the Laer blade - otherwise, why does it look so much like Slaanesh's rune?

I don't see why folks would quibble in a friendly game or tbh a tournament setting that their opponent should convert their Fulgrim model to represent Fireblade. It's not like there will be multiple Fulgrim models on the table to get confused with. If I was a EC player I would be a little peeved if every time I wanted to switch my list up a bit my opponents expected me to make a small conversion to my Primarch model, especially if I liked the way the model looks stock more and didn't want to mess with it.

The model has a sword, as far as I am concerned that meets the criteria for WYSIWYG purposes. Yes it is the laer blade, but that doesn't matter as far as rules go, the sword works for either of his options. I wouldn't expect anyone to convert or modify a £60 infantry model just to suit my sense of 'correctness.'

 JamesY wrote:
The model has a sword, as far as I am concerned that meets the criteria for WYSIWYG purposes. Yes it is the laer blade, but that doesn't matter as far as rules go, the sword works for either of his options. I wouldn't expect anyone to convert or modify a £60 infantry model just to suit my sense of 'correctness.'

I wouldn't expect someone to modify their stupidly expensive chunk of resin unless they really knew what they were doing and could pull it off. In this case, it's a great model, he has a sword, and no, I wouldn't mind a player calling it Firebrand. Now if he wanted to use the model as a Preator armed with a Thunder Hammer instead...

What I would have a problem with is a player then using that exception to say his support squad modeled with bolters and flamers, actually have all plasma guns. Then hearing claims of double standards and being a hypocrite...

Sometimes I come off as a either/or, absolute, jerk and . But it's the internet, and you miss up to 90% of the message when it's written, and not in person and spoken. Common sense should prevail.

No, expecting modification is silly.

If we're going that far, then everyone needs to be cutting Ferrus' head and hammer off if they intend to use him in any game post Istvaan.

My friend who plays EC never uses the Laer blade, and no one has ever had an issue with it. If you run across someone who does, well they're taking things just a little to far.

Yeah, 30K tends to be a bit more exclusive, but if you're getting to the point that you're taking the fun away from people over something as little as "that's not the right sword", then you're the problem.

Pfft. A little effort never hurt anyone. Use the Laer sword rules is the model is armed with it, they aren't thaat bad.
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It's not about the effort it's about the fact that you just could potentially ruin a £60 model that is also the centerpiece of your army. And not everyone has great GS or modeling skills.

I mean I wouldn't expect a player to tear apart their corax model to represent him in the aftermath of istvaan if we we decided to play though that campaign that he was being hunted in.