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2017/06/21 11:23:49
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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I have been looking at the new 40k rulebook and I noticed "The Many Faces of the Aeldari" on the second page of the Aeldari section. They list all of the different Eldar factions, but one is marked as classified. The picture associated with it looks like some kind of mutant or warp creature to me. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knows what this is, or if it is a teaser for a new faction? I am not as up to date on the fluff as I would like to be though, so it might just be something I have missed.
The other non-classified images are:
Aeldari
Exodites
Craftworlders
Corsairs
Outcasts
Drukhari
Harlequins
Ynnari
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2017/06/21 11:29:22
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Neat! I wouldn't automatically assume it means new models though. There's tons of little snippets dropped in the rulebooks and codices that are just meant to add depth and substance to the background without ever becoming models.
Couple of things it could be though:
1. Croneworld/Chaos Eldar (probably unlikely, but possible)
2. Covens as their own separate culture (possible, but I'd have thought they'd be part of Drukhari)
3. Expanded Mandrake faction (possible too, given The Decapitator opening his portal during FoBT)
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2017/06/21 11:29:34
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I saw it too, I'm not sure could be a reference to the old Chaos Eldar from the beginning of 40k that supposedly exist on Crone Worlds
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ONEovdNcwNU/TicuffjKmMI/AAAAAAAAAII/PM1Z69KcnO8/s1600/Czevak%2BArt.jpg
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2017/06/21 11:32:49
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2017/06/21 18:31:57
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Thanks for the comments and for pointing out the existing thread!
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2017/06/21 18:48:44
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think that is a renegade inquisitor, rather than an Eldar?
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2017/06/21 20:37:04
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Furious Fire Dragon
A forest
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I hope they dont make chaos eldar. I dont feel they fit into the fluff very well
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2017/06/21 20:42:03
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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JamesY wrote:
I think that is a renegade inquisitor, rather than an Eldar?
The guy in the multicoloured coat is High Inquisitor Czevak, but he's just killed a Chaos Eldar.
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2017/06/21 21:45:29
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Fixture of Dakka
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TheLumberJack wrote:I hope they dont make chaos eldar. I dont feel they fit into the fluff very well
Why not?
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2017/06/21 23:03:55
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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I have seen this picture many times but I had never cared about the Chaos eldar, thinking he was a deamon !
Nice !
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2017/06/22 01:28:19
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Furious Fire Dragon
A forest
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In the fluff, they hate and fear chaos because of she who thirsts. It seems odd to have a faction that is chaos. From a business standpoint there is already a spikey eldar force, so no reason to make another one
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2017/06/22 01:56:54
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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In the fluff Craftworld Eldar hate and fear Chaos, Dark Eldar not so much.. Except for Slaneesh
But it is reasonable that some Eldar made deals with the Chaos Gods as an escape from being consumed
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2017/06/22 02:01:14
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It would continue to weaken the Eldar as a neat, identifiable portion of the game though.
GW started with several rather distinct, different races. The more factions, sub-factions, alternate versions they add...just dilutes the individuality of said races.
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2017/06/22 02:05:20
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Seems pretty clear to me that it is referring to the birth of Slaanesh. The title is 'redacted' because the eldar prefer to not remember the incident. I don't really see how this could be hinting at a new faction. Quite a stretch.
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2017/06/22 08:52:39
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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TheLumberJack wrote:
In the fluff, they hate and fear chaos because of she who thirsts. It seems odd to have a faction that is chaos. From a business standpoint there is already a spikey eldar force, so no reason to make another one
I thought this myself when I made my Croneworlders, but it's quite simple when you put a little imagination to it.
Whoever said these Eldar are fighting for Slaanesh of their own free will?
Slaanesh has billions upon billions of Eldar souls contained within her, either consumed whole (all the worse for the Eldar as they retain consciousness after death), or all chopped up into itty bitty pieces. What's to say she doesn't reform some of them as toys and playthings?
Slaanesh strikes me as the sort of entity who plays with her food...
Oh, and aesthetically there's more you can do with Chaos Eldar than 'just stick some spikes on them'
#ShamelessSelfPromotion
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2017/06/22 09:03:22
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Fixture of Dakka
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TheLumberJack wrote:
In the fluff, they hate and fear chaos because of she who thirsts. It seems odd to have a faction that is chaos. From a business standpoint there is already a spikey eldar force, so no reason to make another one
So does the Imperium.
Just make their aesthetic Eldar Empire. Problem solved.
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2017/06/22 09:27:17
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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pm713 wrote: TheLumberJack wrote:
In the fluff, they hate and fear chaos because of she who thirsts. It seems odd to have a faction that is chaos. From a business standpoint there is already a spikey eldar force, so no reason to make another one
So does the Imperium.
Just make their aesthetic Eldar Empire. Problem solved.
Well said.
And that'd be a cool aesthetic to go for. Rather than 'spikes', go for utterly decadent silks, festooned with flashy jewellry, and banners and ribbons galore. With some suitable mutation thrown in of course
I would say that the Ynnari are sort of supposed to be aesthetically leaning towards pre-Fall Eldar garb, so that would set up a bit of an issue if they decide to come out with some dedicated Ynnari stuff in the future.
I still don't quite see the issue with mashing Daemonettes and Eldar together and seeing what you come up with. That's probably what Slaanesh spends most of her time doing anyway
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2017/06/22 16:22:55
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ynnari don't really seem to be anything to me. One is a big monster, one looks Dark Eldary and the other looks Craftworldy to me.
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2017/06/23 11:50:35
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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pm713 wrote:Ynnari don't really seem to be anything to me. One is a big monster, one looks Dark Eldary and the other looks Craftworldy to me.
Yeah I think that was intentional from the characters, but if you read the design notes for the Visarch that came in the White Dwarf accompanying their release it's clear what their direction is. In a nutshell, it's basically that the Ynnari are seeking to rekindle the old Eldar Empire (who isn't these days?) and are dressing more and more like they did pre-Fall. The Visarch is the clearest example of this, with visual cues that tie into Craftworld, Commorrite and Harlequin aesthetics (with a dash of exodite thrown in for good measure), but also more extravagant and decadent. It's basically 'look at the Visarch...this is what pre-Fall Eldar looked like'.
It's actually really quite neat if you look at the Visarch and think a bit. You can see how each of the major refugee groups' aesthetics stemmed from that look in the intervening 10,000 years of cultural change. The Craftworlders, who are basically ascetics, look a lot more unadorned and spartan compared to the Visarch, echoing their cultural change. The Dark Eldar retained their decadence, but moved more towards pain and seem to have got more spikes and barbs and blades. The Harlequins have gone down the 'faces on things' route pretty hard, and the feathered ruff is exoditey. Really nice work on that sculpt
That's the aesthetic they wanted for the Ynnari, and they nailed it with the Visarch. Yvraine's dark-eldary look is more to do with tying her to her Wych-gladiator roots.
Personally, it's not the aesthetic I've gone for my Ynnari, or the one I picture most of them as. Mine are more 'prophets of the Dead God, draped in rags'. They're not looking to rekindle the flame of what's lost (that's what the melancholic craftworlders do). They have a new God and a new vision. They don't want to reconstruct glories past. The universe has changed, and the Eldar shall rise to their rightful place, lords and masters of all. A new culture forged in the image of the Whispering King.
That's my take on it anyway, which would leave plenty of space for pre-Fall-ish Chaos Eldar aesthetically, and do something with Eldar that hasn't really been done before (ragged, torn, bedraggled, dirty, Blanchian).
OrkPlayer137 wrote:
The other non-classified images are:
Aeldari
Exodites
Craftworlders
Corsairs
Outcasts
Drukhari
Harlequins
Ynnari
Something that's just struck me. 'Outcasts' are held to be a separate population from Craftworlders which is new AFAIK. Makes sense from an in-world perspective as their mode of living would classify them as a different population, but it's just interesting. If I was into baseless rumour-mongering I'd suggest a new faction, but I don't really think that's the case.
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2017/06/23 12:27:29
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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In gathering storm, Yvraine & co. go to the crone worlds, in search of one of the swords they need to power-up the Yncarne.
They don't find any trace of it, and don't encounter any chaos eldar.
But, what if the crone worlds really were really inhabited by chaos eldar, and those guys actually found the sword first. Then maybe they brought the sword to Slaneesh, since she would probably really like to have her hands on it. That would explain the absence of sword and people on these words.
As a reward, she granted daemon-princehood to the chaod eldar who brought the sword. That would make an upcoming Slaneesh release full of chaos eldar (with appropriate crab claw mutations), led by a daemon prince. They could even make something up in AoS to explain that Slaneesh managed to corrupt/possess some of the elves that were keeping her locked up (I think that's the current lore in AoS), so that the new elf-looking daemons could be a cross game release.
Of course that's extremely far-fetched. But I think it could be a nice development if Slaneesh manages to get her hands on one of the swords (space chaos-elves or not). Having your enemy hold the tools you need to destroy her is nice twist.
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2017/06/23 12:30:19
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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fresus wrote:In gathering storm, Yvraine & co. go to the crone worlds, in search of one of the swords they need to power-up the Yncarne.
They don't find any trace of it, and don't encounter any chaos eldar.
But, what if the crone worlds really were really inhabited by chaos eldar, and those guys actually found the sword first. Then maybe they brought the sword to Slaneesh, since she would probably really like to have her hands on it. That would explain the absence of sword and people on these words.
As a reward, she granted daemon-princehood to the chaod eldar who brought the sword. That would make an upcoming Slaneesh release full of chaos eldar (with appropriate crab claw mutations), led by a daemon prince. They could even make something up in AoS to explain that Slaneesh managed to corrupt/possess some of the elves that were keeping her locked up (I think that's the current lore in AoS), so that the new elf-looking daemons could be a cross game release.
Of course that's extremely far-fetched. But I think it could be a nice development if Slaneesh manages to get her hands on one of the swords (space chaos-elves or not). Having your enemy hold the tools you need to destroy her is nice twist.
...love it.
Please let this happen
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2017/06/23 13:59:48
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Somewhere in the 2nd edition background is mention of Eldar from the Fall who turned to the worship of Chaos, and are described as among the mightiest of Chaos Champions. Then there's the Phoenix Lord Arha, who "burns with the dark light of Chaos".
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2017/06/23 14:08:23
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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AndrewGPaul wrote:Somewhere in the 2nd edition background is mention of Eldar from the Fall who turned to the worship of Chaos, and are described as among the mightiest of Chaos Champions. Then there's the Phoenix Lord Arha, who "burns with the dark light of Chaos".
Yeah the former is a throwaway line that hasn't materialised or manifested anything else until this picture, but is a neat source of inspiration.
The latter has sort of changed depending on whose story you read. The 'burning with the dark light of Chaos' is the Craftworld perspective, but interestingly in the Path books you get the Dark Eldar perspective which is that Arhra wanted to expand their teachings to the DEldar and the other Phoenix Lords didn't leading to him being cast out. Fighting Chaos at one point, he ended up being corrupted in body (but not in mind) and ordered his followers to execute him and then take his techings to the Dark Eldar, becoming the Incubi.
Which one is actually true, I have no idea nor any desire to find out. Uncover too many mysteries about a fantasy universe and it loses its magic.
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2017/06/23 14:23:30
Subject: Re:New Eldar faction?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Ynneadwraith wrote:fresus wrote:In gathering storm, Yvraine & co. go to the crone worlds, in search of one of the swords they need to power-up the Yncarne.
They don't find any trace of it, and don't encounter any chaos eldar.
But, what if the crone worlds really were really inhabited by chaos eldar, and those guys actually found the sword first. Then maybe they brought the sword to Slaneesh, since she would probably really like to have her hands on it. That would explain the absence of sword and people on these words.
As a reward, she granted daemon-princehood to the chaod eldar who brought the sword. That would make an upcoming Slaneesh release full of chaos eldar (with appropriate crab claw mutations), led by a daemon prince. They could even make something up in AoS to explain that Slaneesh managed to corrupt/possess some of the elves that were keeping her locked up (I think that's the current lore in AoS), so that the new elf-looking daemons could be a cross game release.
Of course that's extremely far-fetched. But I think it could be a nice development if Slaneesh manages to get her hands on one of the swords (space chaos-elves or not). Having your enemy hold the tools you need to destroy her is nice twist.
...love it.
Please let this happen
I'll second this. Until this stroke of inspiration I didn't know I needed Chaos Eldar in my life.
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2017/06/23 16:30:43
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ynneadwraith wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:Somewhere in the 2nd edition background is mention of Eldar from the Fall who turned to the worship of Chaos, and are described as among the mightiest of Chaos Champions. Then there's the Phoenix Lord Arha, who "burns with the dark light of Chaos".
Yeah the former is a throwaway line that hasn't materialised or manifested anything else until this picture, but is a neat source of inspiration.
The latter has sort of changed depending on whose story you read. The 'burning with the dark light of Chaos' is the Craftworld perspective, but interestingly in the Path books you get the Dark Eldar perspective which is that Arhra wanted to expand their teachings to the DEldar and the other Phoenix Lords didn't leading to him being cast out. Fighting Chaos at one point, he ended up being corrupted in body (but not in mind) and ordered his followers to execute him and then take his techings to the Dark Eldar, becoming the Incubi.
Which one is actually true, I have no idea nor any desire to find out. Uncover too many mysteries about a fantasy universe and it loses its magic.
I like the idea it's a mix of both.
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2017/06/23 17:41:58
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Yeah you and me both. Neither side really knows what actually happened, so they've twisted different aspects of the story and ignored other bits to paint themselves in the right.
Strikes me as pretty realistic that
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2017/06/24 21:46:55
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Dakka Veteran
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I could go for some Chaos Eldar. Make em real weird though please GW?
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2017/06/24 22:42:25
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Chaos eldar be cool.
Highly powerful squishy psykers who rely heavily on buffs and will be hurt hard if a hot does make it through.
Powerful in one sense. Squishy in others.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
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2017/06/25 02:22:17
Subject: New Eldar faction?
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Furious Fire Dragon
A forest
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jhe90 wrote:Chaos eldar be cool.
Highly powerful squishy psykers who rely heavily on buffs and will be hurt hard if a hot does make it through.
Powerful in one sense. Squishy in others.
Kinda like ynnari? Psykers and heavy damage from eldar and dark eldar but super squishy
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2017/06/25 17:11:24
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Agile Revenant Titan
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craggy wrote:I could go for some Chaos Eldar. Make em real weird though please GW?
This. Proper Blanchian goodness please
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