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Hello, do models get 1 extra attack with each chainsword? For example if I have a model with 2 attacks and 2 chainswords, does he get 4 attacks using the chainsword stats?

My play group had a debate about this as well, the two interpretations were:

1.) Either you have it or you don't, so you either have the chainsword benefit or you do not, so more chainswords do not provide any more attacks.

2.) Each chainsword is a unique item and so you claim the benefit for each.

Rules as they are written seem to suggest that interpretation #2 is correct, there's no guideline that denies stacking benefits and multiple copies of other weapons can all be used. It could use a FAQ from GW. Fortunately there are very few models that can select 2 chainswords, but they exist (priests for example, if memory serves).

I'd go with #2 until we get a clarification from the designers.

You pick one weapon to use in Melee for all of your base attacks, or split your total number of base attacks between the different weapons you have. Different weapons have different rules and those rules only apply to that one weapon.

Example: An Imperial Knight can pick two attacks of their base 4 to be with their big chainsword and two attacks for the Titanic Feet (which then becomes 6 attacks with the feet)

Having two Chainswords has no additional bonus.

 Draco765 wrote:
You pick one weapon to use in Melee for all of your base attacks, or split your total number of base attacks between the different weapons you have. Different weapons have different rules and those rules only apply to that one weapon.

Example: An Imperial Knight can pick two attacks of their base 4 to be with their big chainsword and two attacks for the Titanic Feet (which then becomes 6 attacks with the feet)

Having two Chainswords has no additional bonus.

I have two attacks, I choose to split them between my two chainswords, each one tells me to attack an additional time with that weapon. Seems to work perfectly fine as long as you have at least 2 attacks base to split.

 Draco765 wrote:
You pick one weapon to use in Melee for all of your base attacks, or split your total number of base attacks between the different weapons you have. Different weapons have different rules and those rules only apply to that one weapon.

Example: An Imperial Knight can pick two attacks of their base 4 to be with their big chainsword and two attacks for the Titanic Feet (which then becomes 6 attacks with the feet)

Having two Chainswords has no additional bonus.

Looks like to me you didn't bother to read the chainswords rules.

"Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon."

Having two chainswords means you can make 1 additional attack with each chainsword since they are separate weapons.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Draco765 wrote:
You pick one weapon to use in Melee for all of your base attacks, or split your total number of base attacks between the different weapons you have. Different weapons have different rules and those rules only apply to that one weapon.

Example: An Imperial Knight can pick two attacks of their base 4 to be with their big chainsword and two attacks for the Titanic Feet (which then becomes 6 attacks with the feet)

Having two Chainswords has no additional bonus.

I have two attacks, I choose to split them between my two chainswords, each one tells me to attack an additional time with that weapon. Seems to work perfectly fine as long as you have at least 2 attacks base to split.

You don't even have to split them and it works fine with 1 attack. The chainswords don't trigger on using them, they trigger whenever you fight, regardless of what weapons you use.

RAW, yes you can.
I also see no reason why you shouldn't be able to - Fluff-wise, it makes sense that having more Choppy weapons would allow you to Chop more stuff, and anyone who can do this is going to be sacrificing another weapon of equal power - Usually a Bolt Pistol.

(I'm actually thinking about doing this with my Wolf Guard, building them up into berserker-type CC beasts.)

Waaaghpower wrote:
RAW, yes you can.
I also see no reason why you shouldn't be able to - Fluff-wise, it makes sense that having more Choppy weapons would allow you to Chop more stuff, and anyone who can do this is going to be sacrificing another weapon of equal power - Usually a Bolt Pistol.

(I'm actually thinking about doing this with my Wolf Guard, building them up into berserker-type CC beasts.)

I mean, fluff-wise we hit an issue with how many arms a a human has that can be used in combat. RAW-wise it works fine though! Attack on!

Fights /= attacks. It would appear that it's only +1, not +1 per attack.

Needs FAQ though, if only because people are reading it the way they want to.

 3orangewhips wrote:
Fights /= attacks. It would appear that it's only +1, not +1 per attack.

Needs FAQ though, if only because people are reading it the way they want to.

I dont think anyone claimed it was per attack, it's per weapon with that rule and per fight, so two chains words give you two bonus attacks with them, even if you do all your other attacks with a third weapon.just like you can use all servo arms just once per fight phase , but you're not limited to a single attack with them if you have more than one (Tech marine with harness)

Audustum wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
RAW, yes you can.
I also see no reason why you shouldn't be able to - Fluff-wise, it makes sense that having more Choppy weapons would allow you to Chop more stuff, and anyone who can do this is going to be sacrificing another weapon of equal power - Usually a Bolt Pistol.

(I'm actually thinking about doing this with my Wolf Guard, building them up into berserker-type CC beasts.)

I mean, fluff-wise we hit an issue with how many arms a a human has that can be used in combat. RAW-wise it works fine though! Attack on!

I haven't seen any models that can take THREE Chainswords. If they did, I'd build them with one in each hand and the third held carefully between her teeth.

So a Nid could take 4 Bone Swords

As theirs seem to be pairs, and get the 2 Extra attacks as well, one for each pair?

Lfseeney wrote:
So a Nid could take 4 Bone Swords

As theirs seem to be pairs, and get the 2 Extra attacks as well, one for each pair?

Can't find a Nid in the index that has the option to take more than one pair of boneswords. A Chaos Lord (for example) can use his wargear options to get two chainswords, though.

Snugiraffe wrote:

Lfseeney wrote:
So a Nid could take 4 Bone Swords

As theirs seem to be pairs, and get the 2 Extra attacks as well, one for each pair?

Can't find a Nid in the index that has the option to take more than one pair of boneswords. A Chaos Lord (for example) can use his wargear options to get two chainswords, though.

A hive tyrant can take two sets of monstrous boneswords. Probably not a very good loadout though.

Waaaghpower wrote:
RAW, yes you can.
I also see no reason why you shouldn't be able to - Fluff-wise, it makes sense that having more Choppy weapons would allow you to Chop more stuff, and anyone who can do this is going to be sacrificing another weapon of equal power - Usually a Bolt Pistol.

(I'm actually thinking about doing this with my Wolf Guard, building them up into berserker-type CC beasts.)

Fluff-wise it makes sense to have a better save in mellee when you're equipped with 2 weapons. You usually use one weapon for attack and one for defence.

nekooni wrote:

 3orangewhips wrote:
Fights /= attacks. It would appear that it's only +1, not +1 per attack.

Needs FAQ though, if only because people are reading it the way they want to.

I dont think anyone claimed it was per attack, it's per weapon with that rule and per fight, so two chains words give you two bonus attacks with them, even if you do all your other attacks with a third weapon.just like you can use all servo arms just once per fight phase , but you're not limited to a single attack with them if you have more than one (Tech marine with harness)

Understood, and i agree. "This weapon" makes this make sense. +1 attack per chainsword.

So my Daemon Prince gets +6 attacks! +3 for each set of Malefic Claws. Even though the rule is specifically worded to disallow this, this 'chainsword' interpretation makes it possible.

 puma713 wrote:
So my Daemon Prince gets +6 attacks! +3 for each set of Malefic Claws. Even though the rule is specifically worded to disallow this, this 'chainsword' interpretation makes it possible.

Why would a rule that specifically words things differently be related to chainswords in any way?

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So my Daemon Prince gets +6 attacks! +3 for each set of Malefic Claws. Even though the rule is specifically worded to disallow this, this 'chainsword' interpretation makes it possible.

Why would a rule that specifically words things differently be related to chainswords in any way?

It's almost as if people think what they do because they don't read the rules.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
So my Daemon Prince gets +6 attacks! +3 for each set of Malefic Claws. Even though the rule is specifically worded to disallow this, this 'chainsword' interpretation makes it possible.

Why would a rule that specifically words things differently be related to chainswords in any way?

You're activating the chainsword's special rule, no matter how many chainswords you have, no? So you get +1 attack per chainsword, even if you don't activate the chainsword.

So, with the Daemon Prince, you're activating each Malefic talon's special rules, no matter how many you have, correct? So you get the +1 attack per malefic talon. However, each "profile" of the talons says that if you have two sets, you may make 3 additional attacks instead. If I am allowed to trigger a chainsword's special rule for having two of them, am I not allowed to trigger the talons' rules more than once, thereby getting +3 additional attacks for each set, since all qualifiers are met for both sets?


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Jacksmiles wrote:


It's almost as if people think what they do because they don't read the rules.

No need to be a jackass. If I didn't read the rules, I wouldn't be here discussing them.

I think that's probably right, RAW. Each set of Malefic Talons has a rule that ordinarily gives you 1 additional attack with that set. If you have two sets, the rule that each set has gives you 3 additional attacks with the pair of sets instead. So with two sets you get 6 additional attacks total with the pair of sets.

That said, this strikes me as clearly unintended -- the reason that the rule says that you get to make 3 additional attacks with "them" is to indicate that this is the singular bonus you get for having two sets. I find it easy to believe that Chainswords are actually supposed to stack.

Dionysodorus wrote:
I think that's probably right, RAW. Each set of Malefic Talons has a rule that ordinarily gives you 1 additional attack with that set. If you have two sets, the rule that each set has gives you 3 additional attacks with the pair of sets instead. So with two sets you get 6 additional attacks total with the pair of sets.

That said, this strikes me as clearly unintended -- the reason that the rule says that you get to make 3 additional attacks with "them" is to indicate that this is the singular bonus you get for having two sets. I find it easy to believe that Chainswords are actually supposed to stack.

That was my point. I don't actually play Chaos, but it seems difficult to swallow that a Daemon Prince would be able to activate a "set" twice, because he has two of them. It seems to me that he would be able to activate the "Malefic Talons" weapon once, then check to see how many sets he has for the special rule qualifier.

The example was not meant to disprove the chainsword theory, but to show that it opens up a can of worms in regard to many other units, Trygons and Daemon Princes most notable among them.

Sets and pairs are different than singular weapons. IF the ability says you get 1 additional attack with a set, and then states if you have two sets you get 3 additional attacks with the pair of sets instead. If that is verbatim, then the INSTEAD means that the 3 additional attacks replaces the 1 additional attack per set. IF you can have more than two sets then it gets more complicated.

The reading of Malefic Talons as puma has put out there is really simply, if you have one set you get one additional attack, if you have two sets, you get three additional attacks INSTEAD of two additional attacks. So if you choose to "activate" each set independently instead of at once in total, you would only get 2 additional attacks instead of 3 additional attacks. A set of a pair, means that having just one confers no benefit whatsoever..

The nids have several models that can take two pairs of talons and a couple that can take three. Warriors, Warrior Primes, and Hive Tyrants can all potentially be outfitted with two pairs of bone swords (massive in the case of Hive Tyrants) with how the units are worded currently. As stated the similar issues exist with some entries from the chaos codex. It definitely needs to be clarified. I would like to see more claws / chainswords mean more attacks, but not to ridiculous levels.

 Draco765 wrote:
You pick one weapon to use in Melee for all of your base attacks, or split your total number of base attacks between the different weapons you have. Different weapons have different rules and those rules only apply to that one weapon.

Example: An Imperial Knight can pick two attacks of their base 4 to be with their big chainsword and two attacks for the Titanic Feet (which then becomes 6 attacks with the feet)

Having two Chainswords has no additional bonus.

Depends on the specific bespoken. But for example assault marines "eachtime bearer fights it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon". Trigger is "when bearer fights". No need to allocate attacks for this weapon to get attack. You have 2 chainswords, +2 attacks.

If you were to have power fist and 4 chainswords you could attack your A stat attacks with fist and additional 4 attacks with chainswords.

However for example chaos terminators specifically if you have 2 of them you get extra attack. But warp talons have same wording to the assault marine so they get +2 attacks from 2 lightning claws.

Simple.

As long as you make the "bonus" attack with the chainsword, you're good.