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Ruthless Interrogator





The hills above Belfast

I'm about to start a troop of death Korps kreig riders and I'm unsure how to approach the horses, I'm an average painter level but super super slow. Slow keeps me average and not poor!
Anyone out there have a horse scheme, in citadel colours they would be kind enough to share?

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If you wanted.. throw up a picture of your paint scheme, I can look it over and come up with a colour idea that would go with your plan..
   
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Ruthless Interrogator





The hills above Belfast

I'm actually away on holidays at the moment I only brought the unpainted horses and their unpainted riders with me so I've no photos of the finished men but they are fairly standard DKoK, grey/blue trench coats, brown trousers.

I'm just not sure if I should start light brown and work up to dark brown on the horses or vice versa.

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Plaguelord Titan Princeps of Nurgle





Portsmouth UK

Try looking in the Works for mini guides on horses - I got mine years back for just a couple of quid. Great resource.

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Wing Commander





Dallas, TX

The key to do horses is to do them in a batch but keep it individual as well; let say a unit of 10, 6 various shades of brown/red, couple grey, couple black; while keep the riders in uniform.

black horses: black primer, lightly drybrush with dark grey(eshin grey), black wash, retouch selective areas with medium grey(dawnstone).

grey horses: black primer, heavy drybrush with dark grey, then medium grey, highlight with light grey(admin grey).

brown horses: black primer, apply dark brown(rhinox hide), drybrush with any medium brown(gorthor brown), brown wash, then highlight with light brown(steel legion).

red brown horses: black primer, dark brown, drybrush with red brown(mournfang brown);

adding details to the mouth/nausal area with doombull brown; on some you can add some socks and dots on grey horses.
   
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The hills above Belfast

 Big Mac wrote:
The key to do horses is to do them in a batch but keep it individual as well; let say a unit of 10, 6 various shades of brown/red, couple grey, couple black; while keep the riders in uniform.

black horses: black primer, lightly drybrush with dark grey(eshin grey), black wash, retouch selective areas with medium grey(dawnstone).

grey horses: black primer, heavy drybrush with dark grey, then medium grey, highlight with light grey(admin grey).

brown horses: black primer, apply dark brown(rhinox hide), drybrush with any medium brown(gorthor brown), brown wash, then highlight with light brown(steel legion).

red brown horses: black primer, dark brown, drybrush with red brown(mournfang brown);

adding details to the mouth/nausal area with doombull brown; on some you can add some socks and dots on grey horses.


Thank you kind sir! That's exactly what I needed. I haven't painted horses since I was building a high elf army 15 odd years ago and they didn't work out so good then. So am a little nervous. Simple colour plan like this exactly what's needed.

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Palitine Il

Big Mac has a good plan, only thing I would add is check pictures of the real thing. Wikipedia has articles for "equine coat color" and "horse markings"

A few off the top of my Mom's head:
Appaloosa - spotted, knabstraupper is similar, pinto/paint has large blotches
palomino - golden
Roan - blue-grey
Many horses have 'socks' and face blazes
   
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Ruthless Interrogator





The hills above Belfast

Kreig horses are different in that they have an almost skeletal look which suggests a light covering of hair. Legs are a different shape than real horses. Have to admit it's giving me quite a challenge.

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I love those models. Ive painted one each year for the last two, Im going to try to do one a year to see if I ever get better.

On my last one I used all Secret Weapon Miniature paints as I had just bought their new sets. For the horse I basically just used the rust colors (Brown, Red, Yellow) and a half assed loaded brush style technique with their Weathered Wood as the highlight.

You mentioned that you feel like you're an average painter, but try using a loaded brush with some of the color schemes mentioned so far. Even if you arent great at the technique, you'll still get quick results and you might get a more realistic
horse out of it.


   
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The tutorial isn't a bad case for making roan brown.

I was thinking if you're using the classic grey/blue DKOK, you might use Dun/Buckskin style coats on your horses, something that contrasts a bit. Take a real light brown coat, with anything like socks in dark coat.

I'd like to think it's not a lesser coat on the Deathrider horses, they're just gaunt and bony because they're not as well kept or running on stimpacks.
   
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The hills above Belfast

Yea tonight's efforts haven't panned out as planned. Will post up a pic tomorrow if I can. I knew horses would stretch me but they are such lovely models I couldn't resist a few. Will definitely try something different for each one, at least that's a positive horses don't need to be uniform.

I do usually load my brush pretty heavily. It definitely does help.

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 Knockagh wrote:
Yea tonight's efforts haven't panned out as planned. Will post up a pic tomorrow if I can. I knew horses would stretch me but they are such lovely models I couldn't resist a few. Will definitely try something different for each one, at least that's a positive horses don't need to be uniform.

I do usually load my brush pretty heavily. It definitely does help.


I think you misunderstand what the loaded brush technique is. You actually have very little paint on the brush. It uses two colors on the same brush. Basically, you want your base/darker color a bit thin and loaded in most of the brush. On the tip you want a lighter color that is a bit thicker. When you put it on correctly, you get a base and highlight in one brushstroke. Ben Kommets developed the technique and it really demands a bit of experience and brush control. You can find a bunch of his tutorials where he explains and uses the technique on the Painting Budda channel on YouTube.

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I've found this particular guide incredibly helpful when it comes to any sort of horses and cavalry.
   
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation





Eugene, Oregon

As mentioned above look to the real thing for reference! Krieg horses are probably most similar to the "Arabian" bloodline based on the environment they were bred/raised in. Hope that helps a little.

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Ruthless Interrogator





The hills above Belfast

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 Knockagh wrote:
Yea tonight's efforts haven't panned out as planned. Will post up a pic tomorrow if I can. I knew horses would stretch me but they are such lovely models I couldn't resist a few. Will definitely try something different for each one, at least that's a positive horses don't need to be uniform.

I do usually load my brush pretty heavily. It definitely does help.


I think you misunderstand what the loaded brush technique is. You actually have very little paint on the brush. It uses two colors on the same brush. Basically, you want your base/darker color a bit thin and loaded in most of the brush. On the tip you want a lighter color that is a bit thicker. When you put it on correctly, you get a base and highlight in one brushstroke. Ben Kommets developed the technique and it really demands a bit of experience and brush control. You can find a bunch of his tutorials where he explains and uses the technique on the Painting Budda channel on YouTube.


Ha ha buddy that just shows how average I am, probably verging on poor. I could never do a trick like that. I paint on the few occasions I get a chance to watch tv at nights with the mrs and kids. But since we are away at the coast for a few days I was getting a chance to do a few nights. Setting the brush up alone would be impossible while balancing a tray on my knees and trying to make sure one of the girls doesn't knock everything flying!

But I will give it a go, maybe on some scenery or something large, or something I don't mind wrecking. It does sound a good idea for horses or any model were you don't want uniformity of colour and a more natural mix of colours would suit.

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 Ghaz wrote:
From Warhammer TV:


While I normally like Duncan's tutorials, edge highlighting a horse's muscles just looks weird.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
From Warhammer TV:

THAT VIDEO
While I normally like Duncan's tutorials, edge highlighting a horse's muscles just looks weird.


The supports under the hooves of that model look real weird, like the horse is trying to pull its hooves out of some year 40000 space gum.
   
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 Gordon Shumway wrote:


I think you misunderstand what the loaded brush technique is. You actually have very little paint on the brush. It uses two colors on the same brush. Basically, you want your base/darker color a bit thin and loaded in most of the brush. On the tip you want a lighter color that is a bit thicker. When you put it on correctly, you get a base and highlight in one brushstroke. Ben Kommets developed the technique and it really demands a bit of experience and brush control. You can find a bunch of his tutorials where he explains and uses the technique on the Painting Budda channel on YouTube.


^ This, and although I love Ben and have followed him the past few years it does need to be pointed out that he didnt invent loading a brush.

   
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Noble Knight of the Realm





Texas

Having done a ton of Bret horses and many others, I really miss the old GW inks. I know the washes work great, but nothing compared to the old Chestnut Ink for horses. Apply liberally over white primer and you got a beautiful chestnut horse, with great subtle shading and highlights. No other shading or highlights were really needed.

In fact, I missed the chestnut ink so much, I made my own with the following:

Sepia Wash (1/2 of the pot)
P4 Brown ink (10-12 drops)
Sunburst Orange (about 5 good drops)

This ink wash also makes a great leather or fur color over white or beige.

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