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Just knowing what the next titan looks like would be something. Even if they announced the "Gerbil" class, we'd loose our minds...

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Chopstick wrote:
New preview this weekend, hopefully there're more than just ... Cerastus knight, which they claimed was done 6 months ago.


Epic would be awesome but would 100% not happen....
   
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RazorEdge wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
New preview this weekend, hopefully there're more than just ... Cerastus knight, which they claimed was done 6 months ago.


Epic would be awesome but would 100% not happen....


Sadly not.

Successfully predicting a follow up game this year( smug mode enabled! ) I might project further ahead. Next year I reckon we might see another game involving tanks and similar vehicles...maybe using knights and aircraft too.

I think infantry might come in the form of assets; titan hunters, for example. Obviously FW is aware of players dressing their bases with older infantry products and will tap into that somehow. But I think FW wants to stay away from infantry until they feel ready for full-on epic.

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You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.

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I'm going to take them at their world that they're working on two future books and six new Titan chassis; have plans for Chaos engines, Ordo Sinister, etc.; and have absolutely no plans for Epic.

We know that plastic kits can take a year or more from conception to production.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?


The reason is pretty simple. The development lead time for multil-part plastic kits is 12 months minimum, often more than 18. Basically everything released so far (including all plastic) was planned out before a single AT product hit store shelves. What we're seeing is the result of GW taking a low-risk approach to the AT range by not over-investing in designing products they couldn't gauge the demand for. If it had performed poorly it meant they would have wasted a small fortune on product design and tooling. So they came up with a conservative list of 2 supplements, 3 titans, 3 knights and some terrain.

It's only when they saw the GME selling out in days, the Reaver kit requiring multiple re-stocks and the Warlord becoming one of the best-selling kits of 2018 that GW would have been able to make the commercial decision to invest more resources into the AT range as a whole. With the lead times above that means any major new products would realistically be a 2020 release.

I'm confident we'll see something shown either tomorrow at B&G, or at the preview at the end of this month.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


I don't think Epic would really be doable given the detail level of current 8mm kits. Consider how much sprue space a simple Thunderbolt takes. If Rhinos are 2 to a sprue and sell at 4 for 25 GBP that's not really a feasible mass battle game.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


I don't think Epic would really be doable given the detail level of current 8mm kits. Consider how much sprue space a simple Thunderbolt takes. If Rhinos are 2 to a sprue and sell at 4 for 25 GBP that's not really a feasible mass battle game.


A rhino would be relatively easy to make in either 1 or 2 pieces even with an appropriate amount of detail.

With the manufacturing capability that GW has from concept to completion, epic souldnt be that difficult. They have all of the digital assets they need to make it happen.
   
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Could be February when we see that Calth expansion. Big game event for titanicus focusing on Ultramar...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/01/warhammer-world-titans-aircraft-and-moregw-homepage-post-2fw-homepage-post-4/


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


Ah, to make way for Aeronautica, maybe. Its a nice thought, all the same.

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And isn't the HH weekender around that time?

Important to note that event takes place in the 500 worlds, not just Calth. Which means Shadow Crusade, which means the greatest Legio may be arriving...

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Yeah, the weekender is about then.

Not sure how they would go about the Ursus claws as they would need a weapon card. Doubt they would release a card pack for just one card, but they could have a template in White Dwarf or the Community channel.

That said, if they release a new scout titan then it could share weapons with the warhound, and include the Ursus in its card pack...

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


I don't think Epic would really be doable given the detail level of current 8mm kits. Consider how much sprue space a simple Thunderbolt takes. If Rhinos are 2 to a sprue and sell at 4 for 25 GBP that's not really a feasible mass battle game.


There was good sized 6mm land raiders and rhino's made for epic armageddon. As AT is 6mm scale those would work just fine.

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tneva82 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


I don't think Epic would really be doable given the detail level of current 8mm kits. Consider how much sprue space a simple Thunderbolt takes. If Rhinos are 2 to a sprue and sell at 4 for 25 GBP that's not really a feasible mass battle game.


There was good sized 6mm land raiders and rhino's made for epic armageddon. As AT is 6mm scale those would work just fine.


I am well aware, what I am saying is if GW made new Epic models they would make them at the level of the new AI models, and that level does not allow the models to be cheap enough to build Epic sized armies. Hence I do not believe GW will do full Epic again.

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Rhino is a land vehicle, have no wing span, and only 1 turret. That's easily 4-5 per sprue.

They're slowly making epic with the 2 games, people need to be patient, it's a huge investment for GW, and no way the game would satisfy everyone with an Epic release with the current budget.

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tneva82 wrote:

There was good sized 6mm land raiders and rhino's made for epic armageddon. As AT is 6mm scale those would work just fine.


Have to say, gentleman at the local gaming store has a Warlord with the old Space Marine edition Land Raider and marines on the base and...sigh, it really makes it special. It'd be nice if they released those just as a base decoration kit.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You know, speculating here, the relative lack of visible progress for AT could be because they've fast tracked full on Epic?

Seriously. Just speculating.


I don't think Epic would really be doable given the detail level of current 8mm kits. Consider how much sprue space a simple Thunderbolt takes. If Rhinos are 2 to a sprue and sell at 4 for 25 GBP that's not really a feasible mass battle game.


There was good sized 6mm land raiders and rhino's made for epic armageddon. As AT is 6mm scale those would work just fine.


I am well aware, what I am saying is if GW made new Epic models they would make them at the level of the new AI models, and that level does not allow the models to be cheap enough to build Epic sized armies. Hence I do not believe GW will do full Epic again.


The epica ones already looked like 40k versions. There's no need for bazillion pieces. Remember they are lot smaller than tb. Actually almost third in length. So if tb is 2 to sprue make it 6 a sprue. And that's assuming they do wasted parts without need it.

Have you ever held the epic a vehicles? They aren't that big. Rhino isn't some 15m long vehicle after all

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

I mean, so long as you're not posting on the AT2018 FB group or playing in the more uptight GW stores(which probably aren't going to let you play a Specialist Game anyway), all you need to do is find someone local with a 3D resin printer and you can have all the base decorations you like.

I suspect it'll be at least a couple of years before we get anything that begins to approach Epic, perhaps longer if they really are planning to revive Battlefleet Gothic as well in some form.

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2020 here we go, hopefully with something actually worth waiting for, not another round of filler knight release.
   
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tneva82 wrote:

The epica ones already looked like 40k versions. There's no need for bazillion pieces. Remember they are lot smaller than tb. Actually almost third in length. So if tb is 2 to sprue make it 6 a sprue. And that's assuming they do wasted parts without need it.

Have you ever held the epic a vehicles? They aren't that big. Rhino isn't some 15m long vehicle after all


You are making a strange assumption that they wouldn't scale up tanks after they already scaled up titans and airplanes.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

The epica ones already looked like 40k versions. There's no need for bazillion pieces. Remember they are lot smaller than tb. Actually almost third in length. So if tb is 2 to sprue make it 6 a sprue. And that's assuming they do wasted parts without need it.

Have you ever held the epic a vehicles? They aren't that big. Rhino isn't some 15m long vehicle after all


You are making a strange assumption that they wouldn't scale up tanks after they already scaled up titans and airplanes.


With the size of most marine vehicles for example, they could split a rhino into 4 parts. Side, side, top and bottom. Predator with single piece sponson weapons and a 2 piece turret/gun would not take up much sprue space. That said, I don't want to see epic for a while as it would dilute titanicus badly, like it did back in the day. Superheavy tanks would be okay though, acting like mobile turrets effectively.
   
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I hope AT gets ‘diluted’ sooner rather then later!
   
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Alpharius wrote:I hope AT gets ‘diluted’ sooner rather then later!


Me too!

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LET'S JUST DO IT!

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Coming Soon!....

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/03/coming-soon-a-dark-uprising-returning-heroes/

...a strat card. Well, I don't know about you guys but I feel I must run out and get a copy of White Dwarf.

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Coming Soon!....

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/03/coming-soon-a-dark-uprising-returning-heroes/

...a strat card. Well, I don't know about you guys but I feel I must run out and get a copy of White Dwarf.


Oh well. It's better than nothing. Sure a new weapon card would've been great (vortex missile as an alternative to the warp, maybe). But at least they're thinking about it.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

The epica ones already looked like 40k versions. There's no need for bazillion pieces. Remember they are lot smaller than tb. Actually almost third in length. So if tb is 2 to sprue make it 6 a sprue. And that's assuming they do wasted parts without need it.

Have you ever held the epic a vehicles? They aren't that big. Rhino isn't some 15m long vehicle after all


You are making a strange assumption that they wouldn't scale up tanks after they already scaled up titans and airplanes.


EpicA rhino and land raider were already scaled up. And AT didn't as much as scale up as put in true 6mm scale rather than previous underscaled(they were more like 2-3mm scale). If you already have vehicle in true 6mm scale there's no need to upscale. IF you increase size then you will, funny that, get oversized model!

Guess you didn't ever have epic a era rhino and land raider but they were noticably bigger than original ones.

Remember: AT scale didn't change from epic. The titans just actually became that scale. The previous ones weren't even CLOSE to 6mm scale. 2-3mm scale, 4mm at the stretch. Now it's actually 6mm so any vehicle that's in 6mm scale is spot on with the titans.

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Oh good more scale arguments

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The scale is one fourth of whatever scale 40K is. They have plainly stated this, all models match this. So any existing 40K vehicle that would get an official model will be in this scale. So if you know the size of a 40K model, you can count the size of a hypothetical AT/AI counterpart. That's it.

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