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So I love the idea of having Ork Boyz with armour in a more elite sort of army, how viable is this?

Not even allowed anymore, maybe when we get a new codex but not likely.

Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

About as viable as Looted Wagons or Carapace Veterans, or any other option GW doesn't make models for. :(

In the 4th codex there was a type of unit called a 'ard boy that was basically just a boy with a 4+ save.
This doesn't exist anymore, because if GW doesn't sell it (ie you have to kitbash to get it) then we can't have it.
My 10 'ard boyz are just boyz now.

even the 6th edition had ard boyz, and out new kits have the optional armored shoulder guard so it could be argued the option was present.

sadly yes the new index removed our ability to have a 4+ though to be honest for footslogging orks the 4+ was not worth it, for battlewagon lists and trukk boy lists though they were worth the cost

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

I expect the new ork codex when it comes out will give us a 'ardboy model and bring the option back as a seperate unit

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

They did the same for Tyranid Drop Pods didn't they?

But yeah, a mob of Nobz (or even Boyz) can get a T1 Charge pretty easily. The only problem is the fall back rule meaning they can just disengage, so you'll have to roll REALLY well to encircle them or use them to trap models close to a board edge.

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

The bits are int the boyz box though, the shoulder armor piece is listed as optional and a swear I remember watching a gw video where they refered to it as the evy armor option

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

Or we can blame GW for its own idiotic decisions and lack of understanding of IP law.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

Or we can blame GW for its own idiotic decisions and lack of understanding of IP law.

yup, you're absolutely right. now that GW knows better, no rules without a mini.

BrianDavion wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

Or we can blame GW for its own idiotic decisions and lack of understanding of IP law.

yup, you're absolutely right. now that GW knows better, no rules without a mini.

Yeah... no. We all know CH were in the wrong 100%, especially with the drop pod kits and the raven kit. Let's not kid ourselves here.
The only reason why anyone sympathized with CH was because GW acted like massive witches and made a massive fool of themselves in open court, on top of the fact that everyone hates (with good reason) Tom Kirky.

The customers got absolutely screwed over because of that shitshow. Dark Eldars lost their carbines, poison knifes, Vect and that's not considering the massive suffering IG and Tyranids went through.

 Zewrath wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

Or we can blame GW for its own idiotic decisions and lack of understanding of IP law.

yup, you're absolutely right. now that GW knows better, no rules without a mini.

Yeah... no. We all know CH were in the wrong 100%, especially with the drop pod kits and the raven kit. Let's not kid ourselves here.
The only reason why anyone sympathized with CH was because GW acted like massive witches and made a massive fool of themselves in open court, on top of the fact that everyone hates (with good reason) Tom Kirky.

The customers got absolutely screwed over because of that shitshow. Dark Eldars lost their carbines, poison knifes, Vect and that's not considering the massive suffering IG and Tyranids went through.

Actually, we don't know that CH were in the wrong 100%. If Chapterhouse were 100% in the wrong they would never have secured pro bono representation from one of the major IP law firms of the US. The customers got screwed because of GW and GW alone. GW made the decision to remove the characters and options. If GW never intended to make a model for these characters or options (as their removal suggests rather than just releasing models superior to Chapterhouses) then why shouldn't other companies?

Also, if Chapterhouse were 100% in the wrong, then why did they not lose 100% of the claims against them? Also, if by drop pod and raven kits you mean the armour panels for drop pods and the extended Storm Raven kit, they are clearly not in the wrong at all as Chapterhouse was not required to cease selling them, even after the court case.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

ShadowPug wrote:
Oh sorry, don't have the new codex D:, thanks anyway.

Don't dispair too much, Nobz by default have a 4+ save, so you can easily use them as Nobz instead of 'Ard Boyz. But yes, GW are in full "If we don't sell it, you can't play with it" mode.

Yeah. Thank chapter house studios for that one.

Or we can blame GW for its own idiotic decisions and lack of understanding of IP law.

yup, you're absolutely right. now that GW knows better, no rules without a mini.

Yeah... no. We all know CH were in the wrong 100%, especially with the drop pod kits and the raven kit. Let's not kid ourselves here.
The only reason why anyone sympathized with CH was because GW acted like massive witches and made a massive fool of themselves in open court, on top of the fact that everyone hates (with good reason) Tom Kirky.

The customers got absolutely screwed over because of that shitshow. Dark Eldars lost their carbines, poison knifes, Vect and that's not considering the massive suffering IG and Tyranids went through.

Actually, we don't know that CH were in the wrong 100%. If Chapterhouse were 100% in the wrong they would never have secured pro bono representation from one of the major IP law firms of the US. The customers got screwed because of GW and GW alone. GW made the decision to remove the characters and options. If GW never intended to make a model for these characters or options (as their removal suggests rather than just releasing models superior to Chapterhouses) then why shouldn't other companies?

Also, if Chapterhouse were 100% in the wrong, then why did they not lose 100% of the claims against them?

Because they did. Perhaps you should brush up your memory.
Chapter House was forced to retract everything that was a complete ripoff. Namely the drop pods, raven kit, far seer, female marines and many other, which they also were forced to pay for intellectual damages.
The only thing ruled in CH's favour was making models that wasn't released a model for. Stop pretending they did nothing wrong and remove your denial glasses.

 Zewrath wrote:

Because they did. Perhaps you should brush up your memory.
Chapter House was forced to retract everything that was a complete ripoff. Namely the drop pods, raven kit, far seer, female marines and many other, which they also were forced to pay for intellectual damages.
The only thing ruled in CH's favour was making models that wasn't released a model for. Stop pretending they did nothing wrong and remove your denial glasses.

GW won 30% of the total claims. Even then, after appeals were launched, the case was eventually settled and we are not privy to the contents of that settlement. As it was settled, we do not know whether Chapterhouse was ever required to pay those court costs or damages, especially considering that those costs were unlikely to survive an appeal.

I'd suggest you go and find the Chapterhouse thread here on Dakka and read back through it, especially the posts by weeble1000.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

Because they did. Perhaps you should brush up your memory.
Chapter House was forced to retract everything that was a complete ripoff. Namely the drop pods, raven kit, far seer, female marines and many other, which they also were forced to pay for intellectual damages.
The only thing ruled in CH's favour was making models that wasn't released a model for. Stop pretending they did nothing wrong and remove your denial glasses.

GW won 30% of the total claims. Even then, after appeals were launched the case was eventually settled and we are not privy to the contents of that settlement. As it was settled, we do not know whether Chapterhouse was ever required to pay those court costs or damages, especially considering that they were unlikely to survive an appeal.

I'd suggest you go and find the Chapterhouse thread here on Dakka and read back through it, especially the posts by weeble1000.

Looks like you should be the one reading up again.
Every single one of those 30% claims was won because of direct copyright infringement. So they are guilty of being filthy copycats. The rest of it was CH skirting around making models "technically legal" because GW had no models.

Again, the only reason anyone sympathised with CH was because of how gakky GW handled the court and the disgusting statements they made in the court. CH had a reputation beforehand for being shady AF not sure why people have sudden amnesia about that now.