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2017/07/07 21:36:09
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Dakka Veteran
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I've got a good chunk of ad mech, and am thinking of adding in some primaris marines because i really like the look of the minis. Was trying to homebrew a lore for it. I'm thinking since the primaris tech is an ad mech tech it would make sense if a definitely totally not heretical dominus started making vat cloned primaris of either a massively broken or an extinct chapter out of some stored away gene seed. My issue is I know almost nothing about SM lore because I've never been interested in the space marines until now.
I'm hoping for some ideas for how to make this lore friendly where the primaris marines are the subserviant to the ad mech, and where it isn't a major existent chapter that would put a quick stop to something like that.
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2017/07/07 21:54:19
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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I'm in the same position as you, I'm interested in making Primaris that are basically Belisarius Cawl's personal army that he keeps quiet about. I know there are at least a few chapters that are heavily mechanicus related, but not sure to what degree exactly that is.
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2017/07/07 22:18:46
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Danny slag wrote:I've got a good chunk of ad mech, and am thinking of adding in some primaris marines because i really like the look of the minis. Was trying to homebrew a lore for it. I'm thinking since the primaris tech is an ad mech tech it would make sense if a definitely totally not heretical dominus started making vat cloned primaris of either a massively broken or an extinct chapter out of some stored away gene seed. My issue is I know almost nothing about SM lore because I've never been interested in the space marines until now.
I'm hoping for some ideas for how to make this lore friendly where the primaris marines are the subserviant to the ad mech, and where it isn't a major existent chapter that would put a quick stop to something like that.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Steel_Confessors
I'd give that a read.
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2017/07/07 23:50:36
Subject: Re:SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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You could also make a similar sort of army where Cawl is using the different Legions of Traitor gene-seed for each battlefield role, going with the theory that even without their Primarchs leading them to Chaos, each Legion tended to have a speciality.
World Eater Reivers, Night Lord Inceptors, etc. When the new Gravis- Armored heavy support unit comes out, they sound like perfect Iron Warriors.
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2017/07/09 03:52:13
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Dakka Veteran
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BrianDavion wrote:Danny slag wrote:I've got a good chunk of ad mech, and am thinking of adding in some primaris marines because i really like the look of the minis. Was trying to homebrew a lore for it. I'm thinking since the primaris tech is an ad mech tech it would make sense if a definitely totally not heretical dominus started making vat cloned primaris of either a massively broken or an extinct chapter out of some stored away gene seed. My issue is I know almost nothing about SM lore because I've never been interested in the space marines until now.
I'm hoping for some ideas for how to make this lore friendly where the primaris marines are the subserviant to the ad mech, and where it isn't a major existent chapter that would put a quick stop to something like that.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Steel_Confessors
I'd give that a read.
Looks perfect
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2017/07/09 06:19:32
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Danny slag wrote:BrianDavion wrote:Danny slag wrote:I've got a good chunk of ad mech, and am thinking of adding in some primaris marines because i really like the look of the minis. Was trying to homebrew a lore for it. I'm thinking since the primaris tech is an ad mech tech it would make sense if a definitely totally not heretical dominus started making vat cloned primaris of either a massively broken or an extinct chapter out of some stored away gene seed. My issue is I know almost nothing about SM lore because I've never been interested in the space marines until now.
I'm hoping for some ideas for how to make this lore friendly where the primaris marines are the subserviant to the ad mech, and where it isn't a major existent chapter that would put a quick stop to something like that.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Steel_Confessors
I'd give that a read.
Looks perfect
yeah I thought you might think that. gives you a nice canon background, and colour scheme. and while OFFICALLY they're an independant chapter, they're TOTALLY in the orbit of the admech.
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2017/07/11 21:44:12
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Furious Fire Dragon
A forest
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Could space marines actually have cloning tech?
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2017/07/11 23:25:43
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Huh, you know what, ostensibly not. Genetically, they're 100% human (their implants are genetically engineered, but the Marine themselves is explicitly not genetically modified). Outright clone one and you'd just end up with a regular dude (albeit one that you know will probably accept Astartes modifications).
Perhaps what to go for, especially if it's illicitly cloned Astartes, is clones of the implant organs themselves. Rather than obtaining them from official (and presumably controlled/recorded) stocks you could clone the organs themselves from captured battlefield casualties, grow them in vats, and then implant them into whatever mooks you find running around the lower levels of your Forgeworld.
This being 40k, you'd probably end up with some sort of semi-deformed Chimeric Marine, but hell it'd be cool
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2017/07/11 23:26:40
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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I don't see why not. There are many things the cursed founding could have played with, for example.
I'm pretty sure if they could clone bog-standard humans, then cloning gene-stock for marines wouldn't be any harder (they start out as human anyway. Humans from barely habitable worlds by modern standards, but still humans.
The implants come later. Since the primarchs were essentially cloned (and then engineered) from the emp's genetic stock, it's probably just another "lost in time" archeotech handwavium thing.
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2017/07/13 13:14:44
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Powerful Chaos Warrior
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Just look at the Iron Hands. They have a very close tie to the Ad Mech. A branch off of them would give you a great story line and ties to both Mars and IoM.
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2017/07/13 13:29:25
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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AdMech cloning technology is far from perfect - when Vitali Tychon cloned himself he ended up with a daughter - Linya (the Forge of Mars Novel Series).
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2017/07/14 21:58:43
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Confessor Of Sins
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beast_gts wrote:AdMech cloning technology is far from perfect - when Vitali Tychon cloned himself he ended up with a daughter - Linya (the Forge of Mars Novel Series).
That's a pretty bad malfunction if you're cloning a male...
But the idea of cloning the implants themselves might be good. Instead of doing five or ten year cycles with sleeping slaves the Magos could produce implants faster, maybe in just a few months per batch. Then take some obscure Hive World no one cares about and just abduct whole spires in order to produce Marines without bothering too much about genetic compatibility. The failure rates would be horrifying but you'd still get things done.
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2017/07/14 22:34:43
Subject: Re:SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Like the Steel Confessors ... how can you go wrong when you have the ad mech cog overlayed with the sigil of Samus Aran?!?
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2017/07/14 22:54:57
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Spetulhu wrote:beast_gts wrote:AdMech cloning technology is far from perfect - when Vitali Tychon cloned himself he ended up with a daughter - Linya (the Forge of Mars Novel Series).
That's a pretty bad malfunction if you're cloning a male...
But the idea of cloning the implants themselves might be good. Instead of doing five or ten year cycles with sleeping slaves the Magos could produce implants faster, maybe in just a few months per batch. Then take some obscure Hive World no one cares about and just abduct whole spires in order to produce Marines without bothering too much about genetic compatibility. The failure rates would be horrifying but you'd still get things done.
if implants could be produced that fast the admech would already be doing it though. clone isn't like it's depicted in bad sci-fi. the cloned item still has to grow. and the growth speed isn't any faster
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2017/07/15 08:39:49
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Good point about growth speed. The main advantages i see of that method is thata it's easier to do under the radar and have your own private army of Astartes off-the-books.
If people are on the lookout for telltale signs of large quantities of sleeping dudes growing geneseed out in the stix, they're going to be less concerned about some random dude cloning organs. Easier to maintain a facade of 'these are purely for medical research' or somesuch.
Plus, i just like the idea of illicitly grown Astartes
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2017/07/15 15:42:10
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Dakka Veteran
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Aren't the Primaris marines clones?
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2017/07/15 22:49:50
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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2017/07/18 14:55:30
Subject: Re:SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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AegisGrimm wrote:You could also make a similar sort of army where Cawl is using the different Legions of Traitor gene-seed for each battlefield role, going with the theory that even without their Primarchs leading them to Chaos, each Legion tended to have a speciality. World Eater Reivers, Night Lord Inceptors, etc. When the new Gravis- Armored heavy support unit comes out, they sound like perfect Iron Warriors. Just to add, word bearer chaplains, lunawolves commanders, emperors children bodyguards, deathguard gravis terminators, alpha legion scouts, thousand sons librarians. God-Emperor that would be a force to be reckoned with
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1650 points approx. of deathwatch
2500 points aprox. of alpha legion and thousand sons
50 power admech
60 power salamanders
70 power thousand sons
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2017/07/21 04:26:23
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Confessor Of Sins
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BrianDavion wrote:if implants could be produced that fast the admech would already be doing it though. clone isn't like it's depicted in bad sci-fi. the cloned item still has to grow. and the growth speed isn't any faster
You don't see any irony in saying "bad scifi" on a 40K site? ;-)
Anyways, I still think some heretek could save time by cloning the implants themself instead of waiting painfully slow for a set of geneseed to mature so you can harvest the stuff for exactly one set of implants. It is two different things I'm talking about. The geneseed in a slave (or marine) takes at least five years to mature and that produces one set of implants (complete with two new geneseed organs). The tissue will still have to grow but you do cut out much of the five/ten years it would spend waiting inside a marine. And ofc, you can duplicate it far more.
As for why the AdMech wouldn't already do so who knows? Maybe it's seen as sacrilege of a perfected process, or is something only very few Magos can pull off? The example where one didn't even get the sex of his clone right shows that it could go very badly wrong...
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2017/07/21 04:30:30
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Crushing Clawed Fiend
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I think Thunder Warriors were clones, but they were not legit Space Marines either. More like precursors. However, I read somewhere that Space Marines used to be abducted children and criminals at one point. Definitely some Star Wars homage there.
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2017/07/21 05:28:59
Subject: SM Chapter who would use clones or is extinct?
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Children who were thugs and gang members and mind-wiped criminals given a new purpose, yes. When they were pure in their purpose: That being the ar5e-kicking bullyboys of His Most August Imperial Majesty. And not the lame-o crusading space-knights in the service of their corpse god.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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