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WarStages is THE scenery system you've been waiting for:
Modular as LEGO,
Epic as a Movie Set,
So Flexible that you can go from Super Massive Battles to
Skirmishes, even RPG, and everything in between!

Coming on Kickstarter in July 2017, with great Early Bird pledges, so don't miss the launch! Watch this space for more images daily, info, and the upcoming countdown clock...


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go on then I'll manage the thread for this which actually looks quite impressive (although as I generally don't do scenery or terrain I won't be pledging unless something special comes up),

although July looks pretty crowded already with a fair number of big projects (CMON's Game of Thrones, Petersen Games Cthylhu Wars: Onslaught 3)

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I'll definitely be keeping an eye on it, but price will be a factor.

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While we really don't have much to go on at this point, I'm on the fence:

Pro:
Modular
Epic size
Looks nice in the promo

Con:
No texture
Edge finishing
May not look quite as nice in use

We'll just have to wait and see.
   
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So am I right in thinking this is going to be similar to the Battlesystems terrain? That's the vibe I got from the video and the press release stuff.

Did they mention what it's made of exactly?

Not to keen on still having early birds, but eh, I'm sure I'll get one regardless, at the very least to see if it's worth it.

In the end I'm pretty happy with my EB TGGG2 pledge.

Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
So am I right in thinking this is going to be similar to the Battlesystems terrain? That's the vibe I got from the video and the press release stuff.

Did they mention what it's made of exactly?

Not to keen on still having early birds, but eh, I'm sure I'll get one regardless, at the very least to see if it's worth it.

In the end I'm pretty happy with my EB TGGG2 pledge.


wasn't expecting cardboard terrain. but I have to admit it looks good.
   
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I suspect the finished product will look even better, given that what they showed is what they whomped up on their own.

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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
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So, what material is used for this? Cardstock after all then? Or printed MDF? I see a lot of jargon being thrown around, a lot of shock and awe, but not a real peep on what it's made up of.



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I suspect we'll just have to wait and see

I can't see any info on it yet

 
   
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Hmm, why are they being so secretive about the material?

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Sure looks similar to the Battlesystems terrain system. As a backer of said system's Kickstarter, that's fine, it works well enough, but keep in mind the following:

All those stairs and scatter terrain look great but hinder movement and placement of miniatures. Great for RPGs with miniatures or small unit skirmish wargames like Infinity or Necromunda/Kill Team, not so great for pitched WH40K battles. Keep the scatter to a minimum and any unit at the top of a set of complex stairs is pretty much immobile unless they can fly up/down, as you can expect a set of stairs to eat up 2-3 turns of movement if it's fancy.

Go big or go small with this sort of system, and build you buildings with play in mind rather that appearance. Turn the entire table into the inside of a cathedral to fight in, or make many smaller buildings. Medium buildings become very problematic because the walls make moving miniatures around very troublesome. Have large ground floor openings (doors and windows) so you can reach in to move miniatures, and keep you buildings to 12"x12" maximum so you an reach inside easily, and have exterior catwalks, not interior ones.

Alternatively, you can build large, low-walled buildings with no roof. You lose the vertical appeal of the terrain, but it becomes far more practical for game play. I really hope the KS includes good options for low wall sections (4" high walls leaves room for a catwalk) to enable this sort of use.

Also, the lightweight nature of this kind of scenery makes accidents more likely, especially if your scenery is sitting on top of the same slick glossy cardstock the walls are made of. A minor bump can send models tumbling over even guard rails, so how this connects to the baseplates will be very important.

I look forward to seeing the KS!


   
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 BrookM wrote:
So, what material is used for this? Cardstock after all then? Or printed MDF? I see a lot of jargon being thrown around, a lot of shock and awe, but not a real peep on what it's made up of.


If it were made out of cookies, would it be....delicious?

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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks 
   
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It looks, from the video, to be a card/foam sandwich, using a dark foam, but I could be wrong.

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 John Prins wrote:
It looks, from the video, to be a card/foam sandwich, using a dark foam, but I could be wrong.


Sounds... delicious

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Finally the picture we`ve all been waiting for!
   
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Not the picture this thread needs, but the one it deserves?

July is more than half way over now - any more detail on when in 'July' this is launching?

   
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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 BrookM wrote:
So, what material is used for this? Cardstock after all then? Or printed MDF? I see a lot of jargon being thrown around, a lot of shock and awe, but not a real peep on what it's made up of.


If it were made out of cookies, would it be....delicious?


But it would be Oatmeal Raisin, and thus, a war crime.

A friend in my Infinity group got the MDF printed terrain from Bandua and it was pretty spiffy despite being very basic in actual design. If this is on MDF, it might be good, but will pretty much be late
   
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The prototypes look very much like very thick card stock, maybe the same sort as used by board games?

It does raise the question just how sturdy this all will be, especially when it is presented as "Modular as LEGO", which is fine and dandy, as long as it can withstand the wear and tear of it being assembled and broken down again.

 Alpharius wrote:
Not the picture this thread needs, but the one it deserves?

July is more than half way over now - any more detail on when in 'July' this is launching?
SOON™.



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 BrookM wrote:
The prototypes look very much like very thick card stock, maybe the same sort as used by board games?


IIRC from what I read in their update about it, they didn't really say what the finished product would be made from. Just that the prototype was made by themselves. I can only hope that the professionally manufactured product will be even better.

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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks 
   
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Reaper hasn't had too many good things to say about Raging Heroes, the company behind the KS: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75609-warstages-kickstarter-terain-from-raging-heroes-planned-for-july-2017/

Crimson Scales and Wildspire Miniatures thread on Reaper! : https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/103935-wildspire-miniatures-thread/ 
   
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ced1106 wrote:
Reaper hasn't had too many good things to say about Raging Heroes, the company behind the KS: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75609-warstages-kickstarter-terain-from-raging-heroes-planned-for-july-2017/


I don't think anybody in that forum thread is a Reaper employee/representative.
That said, there's nothing new in there. Already fully covered in the threads for the previous two Kickstarters.

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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks 
   
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It is made of high-quality, super-dense coated color-printed cardboard.

Personally I think it looks incredible.


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Looks cool. Not sure if I would want to get enough to do a skirmish table or just a bit to sit on the edge of the table like a facade.

   
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ced1106 wrote:
Reaper hasn't had too many good things to say about Raging Heroes, the company behind the KS: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/75609-warstages-kickstarter-terain-from-raging-heroes-planned-for-july-2017/
Quite a few of the posters from that thread also post here, so nothing new there then.



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Also, ho-hum, they did a small update on the material:

JULY 18 UPDATE: OUR QUEST FOR THE PERFECT MATERIAL

The most common question you've asked so far is “What is it made of?”

During our one-year journey in the development of WarStages, we tried A LOT of things, both technically and artistically. And we came to a conclusion that may surprise some of you: the most effective, good-looking, affordable solution to build our large-scale epic scenery was the use of high-quality, super-dense coated color-printed cardboard.

You've already seen how good it looks in our video, let us tell you more about it.

It took many months and an extensive trial-an-error period to get there, but boy are we glad we took that time, because we are so pumped up about its possibilities, its qualities, its robustness, its visual impact, and its reasonable cost compared to the alternatives.

What are card board unique set of qualities?

First it looks awesome! Right out of the box, you get a super detailed building full of complex textures, details and color. It allows for a crazy level of details.

No need to paint! Painting such huge scenery could be on the near side of forever. We've done awya with that.

It ain't flat! You might think that it would look somewhat flat, but as we first designed all the parts in 3D and then enhanced them with loads of photographic textures, it looks incredibly deep and tri-dimensional. On top of that, we use many visual tricks in the assembly of the structures to give them even more volume.

Easy to put away: Since most parts are not glued together, you have a lot of freedom in how to put it away once you're done gaming. You can completely break it down, or just disassemble the largest parts and keep the rest ready to go for your next battle. An under-bed plastic sweater box or two should do the trick.

It's quite light: Card board wins hands down compared to resin, plastic or MDF.

It's cost-effective: We wanted to make sure that tis epic scenery would remain affordable. Sure, like always with printing, you need large runs to keep cost reasonable, but once above certain quantities, the kits become very affordable compared to their actual size.

It's a very strong material: To our surprise, it is also extremely strong and resistant! A single sheet of card board may not feel like a strong object, but once it is assembled into a structure, it is super robust and can withstand heavy loads, in any case more heavy than any large mini you might place on it. If you are unsure about that, just browse the internet and see for yourself how people build real furniture (and even houses!) in cardboard...

Here's the story of how we got here:

Our goal with this project was to offer you incredible scenery that would feel epic and massive, the kind of scenery we've all seen displayed on the tables at conventions that one can only dream of

for it feels impossible to build or afford.
because we know we will never be able to afford or build.

Our goal was also to give you something that would have a cinematic mood, a movie stage quality for your games. Something that would make you feel like you suddenly got dropped into a siege scene in Lord of the Rings, or fighting your way through Gotham City, or in the many other great settings of your favorite movies and series.

Other materials

Our initial plan was to build this scenery in resin. But the sheer mass of the structures we wanted to make made it very clear that it would be a titan job to produce the casts, and that the costs would be absolutely prohibitive.

From then on, we started testing all other options. We looked into injected plastics. But to make it a viable option, it meant that it would have forced us to ditch variety and get a product that would look very repetitive, because the number of basic elements had to be reduced considerably to make it viable commercially.

We then looked into MDF and Plasticard. MDF is a popular option today, and a good one too. But it was not adapted to our plans, if only because of its weight. You would have ended up paying as much for shipping as for the cathedral due to the epic size of the kit. Plasticard was decidedly too expensive for our needs as well.

We even tried combinations of all these materials. But every approach left us with mixed feelings. Something was always missing and the prototype kits would always come out too expensive, too long to produce, or end up with a super limited set of very small bricks that would take countless hours to assemble into a big scenery.

Onwards to another solution

However, by that time, we had already designed many buildings and elements, and so just to test their size and mass, we started simply printing renders on paper and making mock-ups in cardboard.

And it was a revelation...

It was better than everything we had before: it was detailed, it was fully coloured and textured, it was fast to assemble and simple to store. But the biggest thing was that, even with mock-ups, the structures looked gorgeous on the table.

Best option

So here we are today with what is, in our opinion, probably the best option for scenery. When you set it on your table, it is hard to believe that it's just cardboard, it has so much tri-dimensionality and texture and depth! And all the accessories give so much life to it! It's just great!

Also, all these elements come together with a super nifty, nearly invisible assembly system. (Please note that it slightly differs from what you see on the photos and video of our prototype). We'll tell you all about it in a coming update, but know that it allows you to create an infinity of crazy combinations.



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Thanks for clearing that up! Terrain is indeed a bit challenge to produce, especially since people are less inclined to spend a lot of money on than let's say their armies.

I can still one day see some nutter converting your kit with pieces of plastic card, other models, greenstuff, etc to make it look 3d. :O

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Wasn't there a line of terrain like this made for Malifaux a few years ago? Terraclips or something like that?

I remember thinking it looked neat at the time, but they only ever made the initial 3 kits and no more.
   
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IIRC the price for the sets was a sore point for many, as you didn't get a lot of terrain for what was asked. Though I could be incorrectly remembering it.



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Looks great from the teaser...but..I am still waiting on ten fething miniatures from the previous kickstarter and I got in on that EAAAARLY. Going to recommend to just move along and find a company that should still have kickstarter rights.

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Hopefully it really is 'affordable' and that the almost inevitable delays don't make delivery stretch out the near side of forever.

   
 
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