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2017/07/20 02:00:31
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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Hey guys! I'm planning for the SoCal Open HH event and I've whittled myself down to two similar lists using the Army of Dark Compliance (AoDC) theme and was wondering about your thoughts? I know that they aren't super competitive, but I wanted something fun to play, thematic and hopefully won't be completely walked all over. Theme is a Iron Warrior heavy assault/forlorn hope detachment supported by auxilia heavy artillery and cannon fodder.
List 1:
Basically I like this list cause it can do a bit of everything, and also has more scoring units than the second. Sniping is nice and FNP on 60 scoring bodies isn't too bad (only T3 but still). AoDC theme means those Militia squads can also not count as Kill points at my discretion when the game starts.
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Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Combi-Plasma
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Melta-bombs
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Warrior Elite
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Iron Halo
+ Charnabal Sabre
+ Infravisor
Elites
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment
Troops
Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad (20 man)
+ Vexilla
Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad (20 man)
+ Vexilla
Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad (20 man)
+ Vexilla
Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad (10 man)
+ Sergeant
+ Demolition Charge
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Fast Attack
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter
+ 2× Two Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles
+ Phospex Bomb Cluster
+ Ground-Tracking Augeries
+ Ramjet Refraction Grid
+ Battle Servitor Control
Heavy Support
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery (Medusas)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
10 Tyrant Terminators
Legion Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
+ Aiolos Missile Launcher
List 2
Big difference here is no FNP troops, and fewer scoring units. Benefits are the Grenadiers have better Ld, BS, and Sv, making them a bit more resilient and shooty. Plasma rifles also means their shooting can hurt more and 30" lasrifles means they can reach out and touch most other troops w/o getting shot by bolters in return.
HQ
Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Combi-Plasma
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Melta-bombs
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Warrior Elite
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Iron Halo
+ Charnabal Sabre
+ Infravisor
Elites
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
Troops
18 man Imperialis Militia Grenadier Squad
+ 2× Special Weapons Grenadier
+ 2× Plasma Gun
+ Lasrifle
+ Vexilla
18 man Imperialis Militia Grenadier Squad
+ 2× Special Weapons Grenadier
+ 2× Plasma Gun
+ Lasrifle
+ Vexilla
Fast Attack
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter
+ 2× Two Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles
+ Phospex Bomb Cluster
+ Ground-Tracking Augeries
+ Ramjet Refraction Grid
+ Battle Servitor Control
Heavy Support
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery (Medusas)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
10 Tyrant Terminators
Legion Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
+ Aiolos Missile Launcher
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2017/07/31 04:53:21
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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So figured out list two is illegal as I don't have more Militia units in it that Legion units. So list 1 it must be! Any suggestions about that list?
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2017/08/01 20:49:46
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Fresh-Faced New User
San Diego
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I've never had success with a Charnabal Sabre. A Power Weapon is almost always preferable, and that is only if you expect to get him into Assault. Also, if you can get a Automatic Pavaise on that Deredeo, do it. You can stack those Tyrants around the the Deredeo for a 3+ invul.
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2017/08/04 22:13:39
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Huh, the pavaise had completely passed over my head! 3+ for my Tyrants would be nice. As for the sabre it was more a point filler than anything and works better than a CCW lol, now that I'm going to try to get the pavaise in I will prob have to drop it. Any suggestions for making a good conversion?
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2017/08/09 20:53:36
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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So I'm looking at this for 2500 with them Pavaise included:
Legion Centurion [Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Combi-Plasma
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Melta-bombs
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Warrior Elite
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Infravisor
+ Cyber-Familiar
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment
1st Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Vexilla
2nd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Vexilla
3rd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Vexilla
1st Sharpshooter Squad (Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter
+ 2× Two Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles
+ Phospex Bomb Cluster
+ Ground-Tracking Augeries
+ Ramjet Refraction Grid
+ Battle Servitor Control
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
10 Tyrant Terminators
Legion Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
+ Atomantic Pavaise
Army Of Dark Compliance Theme
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
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2017/08/19 06:56:19
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Thinking it it would be smarter to remove the Vexilia from the Militia squads and replace them with lascarbines/autoguns. The Alchem Jackers trait confers pseudo Stubborn in the assault phase, and if they fail a moral test in the shooting phase they become pinned instead of falling back so most of the benefits of having the Vexilia are negated methinks. With those extra 30 points I can give all those squads lascarbine which will allow them to match the range of most small arms in the game and put out twice as much fire under 12" than the auxilia arms. Thoughts?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/19 06:57:51
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2017/08/24 10:38:01
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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So been giving it some more thought, and maybe it might be better to remove the deredeo and a contemptor cortus and replace them with a Leviathan!!! Will give me some more close combat ablility and fits with the siege assault/forlorn hope idea I'm going with
Legion Centurion [Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Combi-Plasma
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Melta-bombs
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Warrior Elite
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Infravisor
+ Cyber-Familiar
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Chainfist
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
+ Extra armor
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Chainfist
+ dreadnought close combat weapon
+ Extra armor
3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment
1st Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
2nd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
3rd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
1st Sharpshooter Squad (Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter
+ 2× Two Kraken Penetrator Heavy Missiles
+ Phospex Bomb Cluster
+ Ground-Tracking Augeries
+ Ramjet Refraction Grid
+ Battle Servitor Control
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
9 Tyrant Terminators
Legion Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought
+ Torso-Mounted Twin-Linked Volkite Caliver
+ Torso-Mounted Twin-Linked Volkite Caliver
+ Grav-Flux Bombard
+ Armored Ceramite
+ Phosphex Discharger
Army Of Dark Compliance Theme
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
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2017/08/24 11:19:58
Subject: Re:SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Mysterious Techpriest
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The only thing i can say here is there isn't a lot that can deal with flyers save your own flyer, but the points seem tight at this stage and it's for deleting ground vehicles - could you get a fortification in there with a quad-gun to flesh out your AA threat?
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2017/08/24 20:03:26
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Been thinking about it, I would really like to get my hands on a thunderbolt to use for this list instead of a Lightning. I'll see about squeezing in some AA fortifications
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2017/08/29 17:50:59
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Ok I have kinda settled into this list. I emailed the TO and he agreed with me that if I stick a IW character into a squad of Militia the IW leadership rules would kick in if that squad had to take moral tests, which alleviates my biggest fear of my Medusas running away. Basically I'm thinking I'll stick my Master of Signal in the medusas and keep the Siege Tyrants within 6" of him. If I'm being honest that makes the place of my Force Commander seem a little redundant except for the fact that she will be keeping all my infantry squads from running thanks to Alchem Jackers. Thoughts?
Legion Centurion [Chatphractii Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Power Sword
+ Melta-Bombs
+ Digital Lasers
3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
1st Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
2nd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
3rd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
1st Sharpshooter Squad (Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Imperialis Militia Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter
+ Ground Tracking Auguries
+ Flare Shield
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
10 Tyrant Terminators
Legion Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought
+ Grav-Flux Bombard
+ Armored Ceramite
+ Phosphex Discharger
Army Of Dark Compliance Theme
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/29 17:52:30
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2017/08/30 20:44:44
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Been toying with the idea of replacing the Leviathan with a leman russ Squadron to up my overall firepower. Also that would free up points to take back Warrior Elite, and get some extra armor on those cortus contemptors to keep em moving, as well as get the AT breacher shells for my Medusas, for more garunteed AT. Even with a flare shield, think I stand a good chance at immobilizing or destroying a Spartan with 3 S10(S8 cause of flareshield) AP2 armorbane shots, along with 6 haywire shots from my dreads. Thoughts?
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Also thought I would throw this out there, the thing that scares me most with this list are quad guns, especially if they go after my Medusas. If I fight someone with Quads then it will just boil down to who can kill the others Artillery fastest, which I think I'll lose simply because I'll be outshot.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/30 20:47:13
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2017/09/22 01:03:19
Subject: SoCal Open 2500 Army of Dark Compliance help!
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Ok so do to some recent purchases I now have two final army lists to choose from, one is more defensive and the other offensive. Thoughts?
Defensive:
HQ
Glaucon (Legion Centurion [Terminator Armor])
+ Siege Breaker
+ Warlord Trait: World Burner (Legion)
+ Chainfist
Khajag (Legion Centurion)
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Artificer armor
Major Zinaida Portnova (Imperialis Militia Force Commander)
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Power Sword
+ Melta-Bombs
+ Digital Lasers
+ Cyber-Familiar
Elites
3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment
The Harrowed (Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon)
• Honored Brother Tateos (Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought)
+ Dreadnought Chainfist
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Extra armor
• Honored Brother Antiochus (Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought)
+ Dreadnought Chainfist
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Extra armor
Troops
1st Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
+ Vexilla
2nd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
+ Vexilla
3rd Rifle Section (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
+ Vexilla
1st Sharpshooter Squad (Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Heavy Support
1st Field Artillery Section (3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
+ 3× Breacher Shells
Sons Of Iron (10 Tyrant Terminators)
+ Tyrant Siege Master
+ Chain-Fist
+ Chain-Fist
Honored Brother Lycomedes (Legion Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought)
+ Aiolos Missile Launcher
Army Of Dark Compliance Theme
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
Lord Of War:
Orbital Strike Wing
• Red Fury, Lieutenant Ivan Kozhedub (Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter)
+ Ground Tracking Auguries
+ Flare Shield
+ Battle Servitor Control
Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Lines
+ Ammunition Dump
+ 6× Tank Traps
And Offensive
HQ
Legion Centurion [Terminator Armor]
+ Siege Breaker
+ Chainfist
Legion Centurion
+ Master of Signal
+ Refractor field
+ Artificer armor
Imperialis Militia Force Commander
+ The Muster of Worlds
+ Alchem-Jackers
+ Power Sword
+ Melta-Bombs
+ Digital Lasers
+ Cyber-Familiar
Elites
Unterarzt Detachment (3 Imperialis Militia Medicae Detachment)
Contemptor-Cortus Pattern Talon
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
• Legion Contemptor-Cortus Dreadnought
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
+ Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon
+ Graviton Gun
Troops
1st Füsilier Squad (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Melta Bombs
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
2nd Füsilier Squad (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Melta Bombs
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
3rd Füsilier Squad (Imperialis Militia Infantry Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Melta Bombs
+ Lascarbines/Autoguns
1st Jäger Squad (Imperialis Militia Reconnaissance Squad)
+ Sergeant
+ Sniper Rifles
+ Camoline
Heavy Support
3 Imperialis Militia Heavy Ordnance Battery
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 1)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 2)
+ 2× Additional Militia Crew (Gun 3)
+ 3× Medusa Siege Cannon
+ 3× Breacher Shells
Pyrosvestíres (10 Tyrant Terminators)
+ Tyrant Siege Master
+ Chain-Fist
+ Chain-Fist
Honored-Brother Zamolxis (Legion Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought)
+ Grav-Flux Bombard
+ Armored Ceramite
+ Phosphex Discharger
• Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod
Army Of Dark Compliance Theme
Legiones Astartes (Iron Warriors)
Lord Of War
Orbital Strike Wing
• Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter
+ Ground Tracking Auguries
+ Flare Shield
+ Battle Servitor Control
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