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Hey guys,

So I'm writing some fan fiction about a a female psyker who is elevated to 'Daemon Prince'. Now - without getting too political about it - is her title still 'Daemon Prince'? Or is it 'Daemon Princess'?

Cheers guys
   
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Yes, it's still a Daemon Prince. The same way a "brotherhood" can contain women and "mankind" still includes woman.
   
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I'd say whichever you prefer. They are a Daemon Prince(ss) after all. That's pretty much the definition of 'I can do what I want...just try and stop me'.

I must say, the leader of my Corsairs is female and she's still a Prince, rather than a Princess, so that shows the way I lean. Completely up to you though

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 IllumiNini wrote:
Hey guys,

So I'm writing some fan fiction about a a female psyker who is elevated to 'Daemon Prince'. Now - without getting too political about it - is her title still 'Daemon Prince'? Or is it 'Daemon Princess'?

Cheers guys


I would have thought that would depended entirely on how she wants to be addressed and known - historically female rulers have been known as Prince's.

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It could depend. A Khorne follower probably wouldn't care. Slaanesh might take pride in being female and her Daemon form might reflect that much more, as a beautiful human woman rather than a monstrous beast. Or just as likely, a Slaaneshi follower elevated to Daemonhood would become gender-neutral, gender-less or gender-ful. Who the hell knows with Slaanesh.

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I would say princess. Once you're a Daemon Prince you're a warp entity. Gender is kind of meaningless at that point.

 
   
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Hatachi wrote:
I would say princess. Once you're a Daemon Prince you're a warp entity. Gender is kind of meaningless at that point.


Yeah, there's nothing but personal whimsy to determine which sex you are (if any) at any given moment.

'Prince' or 'Princess' would be meaningless, unless you yourself wanted to imbue it with meaning.

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Hatachi wrote:
I would say princess. Once you're a Daemon Prince you're a warp entity. Gender is kind of meaningless at that point.


These were my thoughts, but I wasn't sure whether or not there was an official distinction.
   
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twisted and drained of life but filled with immortal power the princess is more beefed up fury. Gods of old would say power puffin princess.
   
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Considering that at this point she is probably a ten foot tall monster with immense magical powers, the wise thing to do is to call her whatever the feth she wants.

   
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 john27 wrote:
Well just take a look at Valkia the bloody from AoS.....


Her official card refers to her as "Queen."

I think that N'Kari was referred to as a "Prince" even though she seems to be female (she was a daemon prince in the 2nd ed Chaos codex- back then greater daemons could even aspire to become daemon princes, and the four character princes presented were the most powerful badasses that could be fielded in 40k).

Now, when you're a daemon prince, you get to be called whatever the hell you want. I'm not convinced that the chaos gods care so much about formal usage of titles- the distinctions are more to separate out classes of individuals for gameplay or for outsiders to distinguish (I'm sure the Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus use the terms).

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 odinsgrandson wrote:
 john27 wrote:
Well just take a look at Valkia the bloody from AoS.....


Her official card refers to her as "Queen."

I think that N'Kari was referred to as a "Prince" even though she seems to be female (she was a daemon prince in the 2nd ed Chaos codex- back then greater daemons could even aspire to become daemon princes, and the four character princes presented were the most powerful badasses that could be fielded in 40k).

Now, when you're a daemon prince, you get to be called whatever the hell you want. I'm not convinced that the chaos gods care so much about formal usage of titles- the distinctions are more to separate out classes of individuals for gameplay or for outsiders to distinguish (I'm sure the Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus use the terms).


Yeah, that's what i tend to see it as. Classifications that Imperials give to particularly large UCOs (unidentifiable chaotic objects).

Similar thing with Tau Devilfish. That sounds like an Imperial callsign for Tau enemy transports.

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I swear I read about a "Daemon Princess" in some source book or another. Can't remember if it was for one of FFGs RPGs, a Black Library book, or a codex.

I say call her whatever you want to. Chaos isn't nearly as regulated as the Imperium with the titles it uses. Even names like "Chaos Lord" are just the most common, generic term for hundreds or thousands of different titles for large scale Chaos war leaders.

In fact, the old Daemon codex mentioned that the distinctions between different "classes" of daemon are often blurred, and the lines drawn between them is more of a human thing. The difference between a very powerful Greater Daemon/Daemon Prince and a lesser Chaos God is often arbitrary, for instance.

So go nuts.

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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
 odinsgrandson wrote:
 john27 wrote:
Well just take a look at Valkia the bloody from AoS.....


Her official card refers to her as "Queen."

I think that N'Kari was referred to as a "Prince" even though she seems to be female (she was a daemon prince in the 2nd ed Chaos codex- back then greater daemons could even aspire to become daemon princes, and the four character princes presented were the most powerful badasses that could be fielded in 40k).

Now, when you're a daemon prince, you get to be called whatever the hell you want. I'm not convinced that the chaos gods care so much about formal usage of titles- the distinctions are more to separate out classes of individuals for gameplay or for outsiders to distinguish (I'm sure the Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus use the terms).


Yeah, that's what i tend to see it as. Classifications that Imperials give to particularly large UCOs (unidentifiable chaotic objects).

Similar thing with Tau Devilfish. That sounds like an Imperial callsign for Tau enemy transports.
Yeah Devilfish is explicitly an Imperial callsign, the same way the Tupolev Tu-95 was designated "Bear" by Nato.
   
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Hatachi wrote:
I would say princess. Once you're a Daemon Prince you're a warp entity. Gender is kind of meaningless at that point.


It's how you identify, but as you say, you no longer really have a body that is tied to such permanent concepts; nor are you limited to reproduce in such antiquated ways.

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 Exergy wrote:
Hatachi wrote:
I would say princess. Once you're a Daemon Prince you're a warp entity. Gender is kind of meaningless at that point.


It's how you identify, but as you say, you no longer really have a body that is tied to such permanent concepts; nor are you limited to reproduce in such antiquated ways.


They can be whatever they like. Slimey slug, female, male, rage machines, valkiries or any other form which they wishe to take.
Its not set, they just happen to favour a particular one out of others or change as they feels like it.

There free to take whatever form they want. There pure warp energy.

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They can refer to themselves as whatever they want to. However, note that I've never encountered a "Daemon Princess" - even a "female" Bloodthirster (or some other daemon lord of Khorne) referred to itself in male terms, so I don't really know.*

*Source, one of the FFG Deathwatch campaign books


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Blood thirster is more a greater deamon, never mortal. No gender as such..

A deamon prince/princess is. They may retain certain things of old being, so yes, a female deamon princess may exist.

Plus with the powers of chaos, a smaller deamon princess who say chose to take form of a "weaker" woman, vs 10 foot monster, can still cleave a battle tank in two and decide to trick or enemies before they relise its true danger if they feel like it.

But even in a monster form they may take female traits, yet retain there massive power. As chaos.

Lastly slanesh anyone?
There's a princess you not wanna meet.

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In the Valkia the bloody novel, there is a female herald of khorne (bloodletter) that appears for one paragraph. The bloodletter in question is referred to as being female at least in appearance. Honesty i don't think the chaos gods care what the gender or the gender identity of there servants is so long as they fulfill there will.

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There was a female Daemon Prince in Asurmen who was referred to as a Prince.

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Collectively, everybody would be referred to as Daemon Princes. Gender is meaningless to warp entities. An individual "Daemon Prince" might have a particular title he/she/it would refer to itself as.

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 IllumiNini wrote:
Hey guys,

So I'm writing some fan fiction about a a female psyker who is elevated to 'Daemon Prince'. Now - without getting too political about it - is her title still 'Daemon Prince'? Or is it 'Daemon Princess'?

Cheers guys


Of course women can be elevated to daemonhood, but lets face it Daemon Princess sounds anything but scary... until you meet them than you wish you were smarter.
   
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epronovost wrote:
 IllumiNini wrote:
Hey guys,

So I'm writing some fan fiction about a a female psyker who is elevated to 'Daemon Prince'. Now - without getting too political about it - is her title still 'Daemon Prince'? Or is it 'Daemon Princess'?

Cheers guys


Of course women can be elevated to daemonhood, but lets face it Daemon Princess sounds anything but scary... until you meet them than you wish you were smarter.


A few centuries of soul destroying troture might make someone consider there foolishness.

This is warp. They could be 5'1, yet chaos mean they suddenly tear a baneblade open or cast flames and level a entire Bastian.

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Hmmmm, my next daemon prince might have to be a little lady.

I think I'll give her a huge daemonic hound on a chain as a pet (and to give the right size silhouette for game play and visual impact purposes).
   
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one thing is to consider the patron god, I could see a deamon prince of Slaanish being a beautiful androganious sort, a prince of Tzeetch might constantly be changing into differant forms etc (perhaps shifting between a maiden, mother and crone aspect. that's a fairly common one in mythology) etc. a prince of nurgle perhaps is corpulant, occasionally having nurglings errupting from them in a sick parody of pregnancy and birth, not sure what a khorne deamon prince with a "Female aspect" would be, war and blood shed have such a hyper masculine aspect to them that I suspect deamons of khone would follow suit.

that though is something to remember each of the powers of chaos is built and powered by the collective emotional outlet etc of humanity, and thus I think when working with deamons it's a good idea to look to classic archtypes.

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nareik wrote:
Hmmmm, my next daemon prince might have to be a little lady.

I think I'll give her a huge daemonic hound on a chain as a pet (and to give the right size silhouette for game play and visual impact purposes).


Could be cool. be least abit more creative than stock kits.

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nareik wrote:
Hmmmm, my next daemon prince might have to be a little lady.

I think I'll give her a huge daemonic hound on a chain as a pet (and to give the right size silhouette for game play and visual impact purposes).


Something like this?


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^ This would be best

Jokes and possibly angry DotA2 players aside, the girl from Bioshock is definitely more creepy and looks more daemonic out of the two above images, but the Big Daddy would definitely need to be "Chaosed up" a bit.
   
 
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