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Does every Ultramarine army need Calgar? Does every Tyranid Army need the Swarmlord? Does every Sisters of Battle army need Celestine? No, so why does having a Ynnari army mean you need one of the 3 special characters? Do these characters PERSONALLY participate in every Ynnari battle in the galaxy?

Well, I guess that's intended to represent ynnari are still a small/new faction, but still it's weird.

I expect when there is a proper codex, alternate character models will be available. It is quite a tax though.

Given how powerful SfD is, I can see why they have done this.

Yeah you don't take Logan grimnir on a scout patrol, hopefully once ynnari get their codex they'll make none special character HQ choices a simple priest for example.

Oh no, you can no longer just declare your army Ynnari to get additional in-game power...I feel so bad for you....

It's a bit silly, but the entire Ynnari idea is a bit silly (launch a whole new faction with almost zero actual models). It was clumsily handled and probably will remain so.

However, clicking the "get better" button by simply stating basic Eldar/Dark Eldar are Ynnari when it suits you is also silly.

To be fair Yrvaine is awesome. It's not exactly making you take something dreadful.

If you just stand her at the back with a unit of Scourges she is excellent.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Do these characters PERSONALLY participate in every Ynnari battle in the galaxy?

They do in all the fluff I've seen - although there's an ex-Autarch left briefly in charge when the others go into the Black Library in one of the audiobooks (but he might have had The Yncarne with him)

I mean, I don't like it, but my fluff was a newer group coming together to join the Ynnari cause (basically a fight between Drukhari and Craftworld had Ynnari-aligned Harlequins show up and force a truce). I wish they had buffed Battle Focus though, since the main reason nearly all CWE forces became Ynnari was because Battle Focus is pretty lackluster.

Overall this change has killed the idea of taking Ynnari for me. I play a band of Saim-Hann outcasts using Eldar and Dark Eldar units as "Corsairs". I was doing this before Ynnari, before Forge World released official Corsairs and even before you could take Aliies (I'd just run either Eldar or DE at the time, but all units shared the same paint scheme)

Taking Ynnari seemed like a no brainer for me. However, since none of the Ynnari characters can ride on jetbikes, I refuse to take them. They are all cool characters, but they just do not fit my already established army theme.

Having said that, I actually agree with the ruling. So far every single battle that the Ynnari have been involved with has been lead by Yvraine, Visarch and/or Yncarne.
It also provides a "tax" to appease those players claiming "free rules are broken"
I also hope that Ynnari do NOT get their own codex. Craftwolrd Eldar and Drukari each have enough units to merit their own codex. Harlies and Ynnari combined would not fill a codex unless you added so much extra stuff *cough* formations *cough* and no one wants the return of all that 7E garbage

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Do these characters PERSONALLY participate in every Ynnari battle in the galaxy?

Given the fluff so far.. Yeah actually. Though given that they are now gaining more recruits amongst DE and CWE we'll likely see that change soon enough.

the_scotsman wrote:
Oh no, you can no longer just declare your army Ynnari to get additional in-game power...I feel so bad for you....

 Elbows wrote:

However, clicking the "get better" button by simply stating basic Eldar/Dark Eldar are Ynnari when it suits you is also silly.

What these guys said. In lieu of a better restriction or differentiation this works as a stopgap. I hope GW can make find a way to make Ynnari interesting and unique but for now all they have are the characters and a powerful army rule, and it seems fair that if you'd like to use the latter you use the former.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Does every Ultramarine army need Calgar?

Based on what I read on here, if you wrote Gulliman, your rhetorical question could be answered yes, as it seems he's been doing overtime in the Imperium lately. From a fluff perspective it's ridiculous that any of the lore-critical characters just pitch up and have a little 1500pt skirmish. But here we are.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Does every Ultramarine army need Calgar? Does every Tyranid Army need the Swarmlord? Does every Sisters of Battle army need Celestine? No, so why does having a Ynnari army mean you need one of the 3 special characters? Do these characters PERSONALLY participate in every Ynnari battle in the galaxy?

And how should GW change this rule? By releasing a FAQ? Then you could complain about GW changing rules that are already in print.

They probably did this to give you some reason to play craftworld over ynnari. Before this change there was 0 reason to play craftworld eldar.

 Xenomancers wrote:
They probably did this to give you some reason to play craftworld over ynnari. Before this change there was 0 reason to play craftworld eldar.

Right, but that was because Battle Focus sucks. Now it's like, go play Craftworld but not buff the reason why nobody played Craftworld.

Also, the way old editions used to get around seeing characters all over the place was to restrict special characters to like 2k games, but GW got rid of that a long time ago.

it's not really a big deal, but not everyone plays Ynnari for SfD. I had an eclectic mix of Eldar troops....mostly Iyanden with Yriel, but then some Harlequins, some Ulthwe Guardians, and a DE wych cult. When Fracture of Biel Tan came out it was almost as if the fluff and book were written for my army, so I jumped in head first.
I do agree that it is too easy just to make every eldar force ynnari (and the rules were so good for it), but don't blame the player. GW need to figure out how to make Ynnari interesting and separate and to give players a reason to want to play Craftworld as they do separate Harlies and DE.
I don't think they will get there own codex, but the story needs to be fleshed out as it was a great step forward in the fluff.

I think this is reasonable, though with any luck Ynnari will get one or more generic HQs down the line.

Somehow gw has been able to make the universe of the 41st mil. seem small.
Too Saturday morning cartoon.
Ynari anyways...
Ignore them.
Do what you do.
Your back story trumps geedubs by miles.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Do these characters PERSONALLY participate in every Ynnari battle in the galaxy?

Given the fluff so far.. Yeah actually. Though given that they are now gaining more recruits amongst DE and CWE we'll likely see that change soon enough.

The end of Gathering Storm actually had many of the Ynnari going their own ways to spread the word...and considering that this is supposed to be several years after that, I think it's reasonable to move on along that line.

zerosignal wrote:
Given how powerful SfD is, I can see why they have done this.

The Yncarne is hard to leave out of a Ynnari army. Its too powerful if you ask me.