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2017/07/24 08:07:55
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Its just as tough, has only a few less wounds and with orders and such will hit just as hard or harder.
Am I missing something here?
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2017/07/24 08:11:10
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Machine Spirit and transport arent negligible differences. You're understating their difference in resilience by quite a bit too.
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2017/07/24 08:14:36
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Norn Queen
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Machine Spirit, Transport, better BS, better save, more wounds.
Yeah, a Leman Russ is nowhere close to a Land Raider, which is why it's less expensive.
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2017/07/24 08:24:02
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If you were comparing a SR and a LR you would have a better case. Both are transports, same wounds, and the SR, -1 to hit balances out the T8 and 2+ of the LR.
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2017/07/24 08:48:47
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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McCraggen wrote:Its just as tough, has only a few less wounds and with orders and such will hit just as hard or harder.
Am I missing something here?
Are you having a laugh? Is this a poor troll-attempt?
A Leman Russ and a Land Raider is nothing alike, except for two things: They both have T8 and they both have LR as initials.
The Landraider costs alot more more because it's much better.
1) Transport capacity 10-16 instead of 0.
2) 16 wounds instead of 12.
3) 2+ save instead of 3+.
4) Can move and fire all of it's heavy weapons instead of just the turret-mounted weapon.
5) BS3+ instead of BS4+
6) much better weapons, albeit not as many to chose from.
I'm probably missing something as well.
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2017/07/24 09:58:15
Subject: Re:A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I legit think that the armor doesnt make as much difference in 8th from 2+ to 3+ with a lot of weapons on -3 or -4 in the AT role.
And with all the buffs you can give guard it just doesnt seem a big deal with the BS.
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2017/07/24 10:11:27
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman
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The Land Raider is, first and foremost, a transport. You take it if you want to get a specific unit or two across the board whilst being pretty safe and throwing out some fairly decent firepower (4 lascannons). A Leman Russ is a gun platform, and serves a different purpose. No one would take a Land Raider purely as a gun platform, so, I'm not sure why you're comparing them. A predator vs a leman russ would make more sense - they both fill a similar role in their armies, and have access to similar weapons.
Edit: To highlight why you shouldn't compare them: for a 160 pt Leman Russ (roughly what they cost, don't have codex on hand), you could get 80 brimstones (I play chaos, so, they're what come to mind). Obviously, the horrors will be far harder to kill. So, why don't we just replace all Leman Russes with horrors? Now do you see? Raider v Russ makes no sense.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/24 10:15:26
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2017/07/24 10:23:41
Subject: Re:A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Dakka Veteran
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McCraggen wrote:I legit think that the armor doesnt make as much difference in 8th from 2+ to 3+ with a lot of weapons on -3 or -4 in the AT role.
And with all the buffs you can give guard it just doesnt seem a big deal with the BS.
I legit think you're wrong. 1 pip better makes the tank way more survivable.The only time it doesn't matter is vs -5 Sv weapons, which practically don't exist.
The shooting order takes you from hitting half the time to 3.5 times. Land Raider just has better BS than that straight up.
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2017/07/24 20:13:32
Subject: Re:A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Fresh-Faced New User
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McCraggen wrote:I legit think that the armor doesnt make as much difference in 8th from 2+ to 3+ with a lot of weapons on -3 or -4 in the AT role.
And with all the buffs you can give guard it just doesnt seem a big deal with the BS.
What buff can you give AM that will improve the BS of the tanks? Are you referring to the Tank Commander order that lets a tank reroll to hit rolls of 1?
A Tank Commander can give only one order a turn, not two like a Company Commander. And there aren't any Tank Lieutenants to bolster that number.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/07/24 20:17:43
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2017/07/24 20:40:29
Subject: Re:A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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There are a few vehicles in the Index:: Forces of the Astra Militarum that can buff a Leman Russ, such as the Salamander Command Vehicle and Trojan Support Vehicle. But they are at least half a Leman Russ in and of themselves, so hardly that attractive. In fact, if I wanted to improve my Leman Russes, I would just buy the much cheaper Tank Commander upgrade instead of another 90+ points vehicle.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/24 20:41:19
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2017/07/24 21:38:18
Subject: A leman russ is as good as a land raider and half the points.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think the Math makes it pretty clear:
It takes 16 BS3+ las cannon shots to kill a land raider, but only 10 to kill a Leman Russ.
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